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[BrawlMan]

this is where I differ from a lot of people here. People talk in terms of seasons, how one half was better than another or how entire seasons fly in the face of a show's overall purity and intent, etc. Me? I take each episode, moment by moment, line by line; if I'm entertained overall, then it's a show which nets out as a good one to me. I don't over analyze or dive too deeply into where I personally feel writers went wrong; every series is going to have its high and low points, but particularly with humor, if I start psychoanalyzing how *I* think they should behave in accordance with the larger whole of what *I* think the writers should have done, then I've taken the fun out of it. But that's me.

It doesn't matter if you enjoy it season by season or take each episodes on its own, the flaws and criticism are still there. You can say that about almost any other TV series. At that point you're just making excuses for why you're enjoying it. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy it, or you should stop watching it, but don't be afraid to criticize a point out what's the problem. If you act as if there's no problem, you're not being honest with yourself. That's what's mentioned in the video. I'm not asking you to watch that video now, but please watch it at some point they will definitely see where a lot of others are coming from. There's plenty of shows I like to, but I'm not afraid to point out their flaws or problems; especially if they don't stick the landing. Your excuse basically boiled down "you're thinking too hard or thinking too much about it". That's flinging criticism and acting as if the show did nothing wrong. That's something mainly used as a shutdown argument for people that don't want to think about it. Kill La Kill is one of my favorite shows, but I am not afraid to admit that it has its problems. It gets most things right, but it does suffer in a couple areas. Yet overall it is a good show, and one that's not afraid of empathy and showing humanity. Despite having a world of large ham. There are many characters that are jerks, but they actually grow and get called out on the crap they do pull off. And it's not something that's all taken care of in a single episode. It's something that gradually builds and grows. My problem with Rick and Morty is that it constantly tries to pull off this whole nothing you do matters, at the same time acting as if it knows what it's talking about. About how if you show kindness or any empathy, you are weak and idiotic. You have to be smart by being mean, cruel, and ruthless. That is a logical fallacy that is discussed in the video. That is why I can't enjoy it and why it pisses me off so much. It doesn't help that I knew some people like this, and let you me tell you, it ain't fun. If I can't stand it in real life, I'm definitely not going to enjoy it when I'm trying to escape from reality or tune out and watch something. Rick and Morty things that saying something wise and intellectual, but it isn't. We're still supposed to feel sorry for Rick whenever he gets sad, but it all falls flat in its face. At this point you might as well have me start crying for Sasuke Uchiha and Hao Asakura while you're at it. In fact, if you put all three in the room together, they will all hate each other and try to justify why the way they are. Yet they're all selfish scumbags, that thinks the world and the universe owes them a blowjob!

 

[happyninja42]

 

[Xprimentyl]

It doesn't matter if you enjoy it season by season or take each episodes on its own, the flaws and criticism are still there.

Not refuting this point. Never said the shows I enjoy are perfect or flawless by my own standards, but when I approach them, I approach them as a consumer seeking entertainment, not a critic seeking perfection. R&M is a comedy show about an impossible genius doing impossible things and subjecting his family to those things. If it makes me laugh more often than not, then, by my standards, it has done its job. I'm not "making excuses," I'm saying that at the end of a day, each episode makes me laugh; they serve their purpose. And "flaws" are subjective, so my agreement with yours or some YouTube critic's take is not a criterion for a show's "objective" value. I'm not into gay porn, but I'm sure there are millions of men out there who don't care what I think about gay porn. It's entertainment, not a dissertation on the status of the collective human condition is all I'm saying.

 

[BrawlMan]

Not refuting this point. Never said the shows I enjoy are perfect or flawless by my own standards, but when I approach them, I approach them as a consumer seeking entertainment, not a critic seeking perfection. R&M is a comedy show about an impossible genius doing impossible things and subjecting his family to those things. If it makes me laugh more often than not, then, by my standards, it has done its job. I'm not "making excuses," I'm saying that at the end of a day, each episode makes me laugh; they serve their purpose. And "flaws" are subjective, so my agreement with yours or some YouTube critic's take is not a criterion for a show's "objective" value. I'm not into gay porn, but I'm sure there are millions of men out there who don't care what I think about gay porn. It's entertainment, not a dissertation on the status of the collective human condition is all I'm saying.

And I didn't say perfection either. There's good entertainment and bad entertainment. And unfortunately for me the show falls under bad entertainment. There are some parts that made me laugh, I have no problem in many of that. I'm not seeking the mind of human consciousness either, but when you go off preaching about how nothing matters, you're going to get criticized no matter what. And the show still act as if it's trying to say something important when it's not most of the time. Especially when it goes to great lengths the people who point out the problems, or its fan base that it's obsessed with continuity and stuff. Lesson 101 when it comes to entertainment industry, don't mock or piss on your target audience. The ones that don't act like jackasses or have legit and honest criticisms. Something that's really a big problem in the video game industry.

Yes, the show serve the purpose for you, but it's obviously going for something more than mere entertainment. That doesn't change what's wrong or the reasons why I have problems with it. Because I ended up not being entertained later on or in retrospect, so it failed at the thing it was supposed to do for me and a lot of others. You just saying entertained me doesn't fix the issue. All you're doing is another form of well it doesn't matter to me, I don't want to think about it because I was entertained. That's just another cop out. If it makes you laugh, good for you, but it didn't make me laugh that much. Whatever I laughed at, I either didn't laugh as much, or I realize how full of crap the joke was or it didn't land. So mission not accomplished for me and many others. I'm ending it there because we're not going to make any other headway. You can go on about how entertaining it was, but as I said before, it doesn't change the issues and it clearly wants to go beyond their entertainment, while at the same time putting its hands in the air saying, "I don't know nothing matters at the end of the day". If your message is like that and almost every single episode and we're supposed to think Rick is in the right, it's hypocritical, cowardly, and stupid. And if your whole point is pointless this, then you fail as entertainment in my opinion.

 

[happyninja42]

 

[Xprimentyl]

And I didn't say perfection either. There's good entertainment and bad entertainment. And unfortunately for me the show falls under bad entertainment. There are some parts that made me laugh, I have no problem in many of that. I'm not seeking the mind of human consciousness either, but when you go off preaching about how nothing matters, you're going to get criticized no matter what. And the show still act as if it's trying to say something important when it's not most of the time. Especially when it goes to great lengths the people who point out the problems, or its fan base that it's obsessed with continuity and stuff. Lesson 101 when it comes to entertainment industry, don't mock or piss on your target audience. The ones that don't act like jackasses or have legit and honest criticisms. Something that's really a big problem in the video game industry.

Yes, the show serve the purpose for you, but it's obviously going for something more than mere entertainment. That doesn't change what's wrong or the reasons why I have problems with it. Because I ended up not being entertained later on or in retrospect, so it failed at the thing it was supposed to do for me and a lot of others. You just saying entertained me doesn't fix the issue. All you're doing is another form of well it doesn't matter to me, I don't want to think about it because I was entertained. That's just another cop out. If it makes you laugh, good for you, but it didn't make me laugh that much. Whatever I laughed at, I either didn't laugh as much, or I realize how full of crap the joke was or it didn't land. So mission not accomplished for me and many others. I'm ending it there because we're not going to make any other headway. You can go on about how entertaining it was, but as I said before, it doesn't change the issues and it clearly wants to go beyond their entertainment, while at the same time putting its hands in the air saying, "I don't know nothing matters at the end of the day". If your message is like that and almost every single episode and we're supposed to think Rick is in the right, it's hypocritical, cowardly, and stupid. And if your whole point is pointless this, then you fail as entertainment in my opinion.

That's the thing; you're not supposed to think Rick is always in the right. He's an overt nihilist surrounded by people on all waves of the emotional spectrum that aren't nihilistic. He has occasional sparks of traditional humanity, but those aren't meant to define him. It's more like when you find yourself in an argument with someone you care about, and say something that goes too far; anyone with any ounce of humanity would feel some shame or regret, but it doesn't necessarily change who you are or your convictions at your core. If at any point, the show made you feel Rick is redeemable, know that the whole purpose of the show is that he's NOT redeemable; he's always going to be that quacky genius more obsessed with the infinite possibilities of the universe than those isolated moments where he was made to feel something acute and immediate. Even the episode where he turns himself into authorities to spare his family brought into direct danger for his actions, it's clear it was simply the first move in a chess match that just so happened to suit the dual purpose of protecting his family and putting himself into position for the next move in his game plan; he thinks that highly of himself, i.e.: he wasn't gone long. I don't feel like the show has led me to believe there's a character arc for him; they're half-hour episodes, mostly disparate and unrelated outside of the same, central characters appearing in them.

Yes, we can agree to disagree. I'm easier to entertain than most because I don't demand intense, literal character depth from a zany cartoon or strict character likeability from a live-action show about 5 morally-deficient, obtuse narcissists when the show's entire premise surrounds that idea. In fact, probably the most tonally dissonant episode of IASIP is "Mac Finds His Pride." Mac, who'd been struggling with denying his sexual orientation (much to comedic effect, and yes, I know in the woke world we live in, such is very much a "not funny" dilemma,) finally comes out to his father in prison via interpretive dance. It's actually quite a beautiful scene, not one you'd expect from IASIP, like, at ALL. No humor, no sarcasm, Frank (a guy who prides himself on trash diving and soaking ham in rum) cries. But I enjoy it as an outlier of the typical show; they tried something new, and I feel largely succeeded in making viewers feel something other than comedic contempt for a group of assholes. But the very next episode, they're back at their usual shenanigans, no one has learned anything, and the show soldiered on.

So yes, our standards are quite different, and that's fine.

 

[BrawlMan]

That's the thing; you're not supposed to think Rick is always in the right. He's an overt nihilist surrounded by people on all waves of the emotional spectrum that aren't nihilistic. He has occasional sparks of traditional humanity, but those aren't meant to define him. It's more like when you find yourself in an argument with someone you care about, and say something that goes too far; anyone with any ounce of humanity would feel some shame or regret, but it doesn't necessarily change who you are or your convictions at your core. If at any point, the show made you feel Rick is redeemable, know that the whole purpose of the show is that he's NOT redeemable; he's always going to be that quacky genius more obsessed with the infinite possibilities of the universe than those isolated moments where he was made to feel something acute and immediate. Even the episode where he turns himself into authorities to spare his family brought into direct danger for his actions, it's clear it was simply the first move in a chess match that just so happened to suit the dual purpose of protecting his family and putting himself into position for the next move in his game plan; he thinks that highly of himself, i.e.: he wasn't gone long. I don't feel like the show has led me to believe there's a character arc for him; they're half-hour episodes, mostly disparate and unrelated outside of the same, central characters appearing in them.

I know that, the writers just suck at doing it or portraying it right. But they ended up contradicting themselves nearly every step of the way until the half way point in Season 3, and most of Season 4. Before that point, he was only wrong some of time, and in the right, intentional or otherwise, most of the time. The video @happyninja42 posted even has entire section dedicated to this. Hell, Renegade Cut even mentions how to get this right with Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Bojack Horseman. Watch the video.

Regardless, I don't like seeing the dumb, fucking, biatch-in-a-boxstand either way. It's why I wanted to end it, because we're going to keep going in circles endlessly say the same shit over and over again!

 

[Xprimentyl]

Watch the video.

My point is, I don't find any overreaching problem with the show. I don't need to hear how someone else, who has a problem with the sausage, thinks the sausage is made. Unless the creators are neo-Nazis, I'm fine with what they offer. But yeah, we can be done here.

 

[BrawlMan]

My point is, I don't find any overreaching problem with the show.

Good for you. I do have many a problem.

But yeah, we can be done here.

Thank you.

 

[BrawlMan]

One of the best Dr. Robotniks in animation history.

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[gorfias]

 

[BrawlMan]

 

[BrawlMan]

I regret nothing.

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[Casual Shinji]

 

[Piscian]

 

[Specter Von Baren]

 

[Bedinsis]

[Five "Hail Hydra" anime-edits]​

For some reason I felt sad by Ash's statement.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

High brow comedian Joe got awkward begrudging energy of a person not wanting to be where they are I find very relatable and endearing.

Not sure who made it, but the masonic hedgehog did almost cause a chuckle.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

11-year-old girl challenges Dave Grohl to drum-off and ends up drumming in a Foo Fighters concert. Sounds like a silly Hollywood script, right?


HOLY CRAP can she work those drums. I wanna see her start her own band.

 

[happyninja42]

11-year-old girl challenges Dave Grohl to drum-off and ends up drumming in a Foo Fighters concert. Sounds like a silly Hollywood script, right?


HOLY CRAP can she work those drums. I wanna see her start her own band.

Now we just need to get her to start doing some RUSH covers

I remember seeing a few clips of her video duels with Dave back and forth a few months back. Love stuff like that.