Shia LaBeouf Slams the Wii
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I own a Wii, and I'm pretty sure I've been a Valve fan since the original Half-Life. Among other things, I'm more of a gamer than Shia-motherfucking-LeBouf.
Also, is putting in the text-finger a reason to get banned, because that's the message I'm trying to portray here.
Also, is putting in the text-finger a reason to get banned, because that's the message I'm trying to portray here.
Hey, Im pretty much Anti-wii as I can get. I only have one because my wife wanted one and it was free.
If the original xbox has motion sensor tech it would be massively better than the wii in terms of graphics and controls. Not to mention game selection...and internet.. and no rail shooters...and mii's...
If the original xbox has motion sensor tech it would be massively better than the wii in terms of graphics and controls. Not to mention game selection...and internet.. and no rail shooters...and mii's...
I had no real opinion of LaBeouf before. Apart from the sky-high pricing and a (relative) lack of worthwhile content, I don't have a bone to pick with Wii either.
But seeing LaBeouf troll 9+ pages of ad hominems ("he isn't even a good actor so who cares"), neediness ("if Megan Fox says jump, just ask how high"), cluelessness about women ("her wanting to play LEGO Star Wars is like five minutes away from her asking for sex"), whining, and random knee-jerk reactions out of idiots and fanboys gives the guy a whole lot of points in my book.
But seeing LaBeouf troll 9+ pages of ad hominems ("he isn't even a good actor so who cares"), neediness ("if Megan Fox says jump, just ask how high"), cluelessness about women ("her wanting to play LEGO Star Wars is like five minutes away from her asking for sex"), whining, and random knee-jerk reactions out of idiots and fanboys gives the guy a whole lot of points in my book.
My sister(who I traded my Wii for a pretty nice PC) got LEGO Star Wars for it recently and I must say it is pretty fun, even for a game on the Wii.
That's all he said aloud (in Dogma, at least, and that's the one I was talking about), although actions do speak louder than words. However, your point is irrelevant as to why Shia LaBeouf is correct.Mazty said:?Lexodus said:"No ticket", and "Thanks."Mazty said:Because Silent Bob always said what was true & wise, no matter how much the person didn't want to hear itLexodus said:
If that's all you think SB said then you need to brush up on your movies.
I disagree. Well, not on the graphics part (and I really don't see why they can't make them a little better in some cases. Hell, in some games they're great, but in others it's like they didn't try at all), but on the gameplay, and, sometimes, on the AI (some games are very challenging, and, conversely, other games have AI that rams into walls repeatedly from an overdose of retardedness). However, AI is to do with games, and games are not limited to a single console, so let's just skip that, shall we?Mazty said:Family friendly games are not gamer friendly. The AI sucks, the graphics & gameplay are dated. Therefore, it is not a serious or good gaming console. Family friendly, yes, good for gaming, no. Anyone whose played games since the N64-era and isn't a Nintendo fanboy will agree with this point.Lexodus said:That's all he said aloud (in Dogma, at least, and that's the one I was talking about), although actions do speak louder than words. However, your point is irrelevant as to why Shia LaBeouf is correct.Mazty said:?Lexodus said:"No ticket", and "Thanks."Mazty said:Because Silent Bob always said what was true & wise, no matter how much the person didn't want to hear itLexodus said:
If that's all you think SB said then you need to brush up on your movies.
PS. Watch Clerks & Clerks 2. Plus they are amazing.
Gameplay is the main focus of a family game (Wait! Why are we arguing games? I'm talking console!), and it's usually great (there are some exceptions, but then again, there are always exceptions...), because it's usually the main, or only, thing the makers put a lot of time and effort into, which shows in most cases.
The Wii (or Revolution, if you want to call it that) isn't just for family games either. Sure, that's been its main focus lately, but it can deal with fps-es too. Admittedly, the xbox is better for that (don't talk to me about the PS3... I try and pretend that god-forsaken cock-up doesn't exist because it screwed me over so many times), but the Wii can handle it. What Mr. TheBeef has done here is slam both a fun console to use and pass up an opportunity to play with (and, in many people's wildest fantasies, have a drunken sexual orgy with) Megan Fox, who is, in many people's opinions, a Right Fit Bird, and done so without proper knowledge on the subject (he said it himself; he hasn't even played one, and therefore has no grounds for basing an opinion on) which I object to. Also, he took a shit all over my childhood, rendering him nothing but a huge tool in my eyes.
PS: I want to, but I have no idea where to get copies. I only found Dogma by chance...
The Wii is actually pretty reasonable price wise, until the last price drop for the arcade the Wii was the cheapest of the consoles (and still is once you throw in the HDMI cable and hard drive). The games are also cheaper than either of the HD console games.Nutcase said:
Yeah there's some ad-hominem, but it's kinda easy because even before this I figured the guy was a douchebag. His screen presence on every character just oozes of "I'd hate this guy in person" enough to think it's not just the characters he plays but also part of himself as a person. You can also tell he's flakey and jumps trend to trend. I'll bet you when either the 360 or PS3's motion controllers hit the shelves, and it becomes trendy to hate whichever console got them first, he'll join that trend too, calling the 360 casual and amateur, etc and talking up the PS3. I can almost guarantee you he reads boards like these (maybe not this particular one, but other online video game forums), and he's the kinda guy that seems insecure enough to slam a console or game that is popular (and by that merit, popular to hate (see Halo, the Wii, etc) because it'll earn him "cred" on the boards from other likeminded fanboys/trolls. He's just an easy target, just like hating the Wii is an easy target.
As far as the Megan Fox comments go, I'm pretty sure most were made tongue in cheek, aside from the fact that I think most people would play Wii with her, cause.. why not?
The real overreaction is happening right here, folks.Eruanno said:
And Shia LaBeouf is entitled to his opinon because he's not really an idol or inspiration, just an actor with a weird forced meme.
...which is where the classic controllers come in. Also, we shall see.Mazty said:Personally I could go into the details and pull apart the argument, saying how the remote limits the fun and ups the frustration, how the hardware prevents good AI etc etc.Lexodus said:I disagree. Well, not on the graphics part (and I really don't see why they can't make them a little better in some cases. Hell, in some games they're great, but in others it's like they didn't try at all), but on the gameplay, and, sometimes, on the AI (some games are very challenging, and, conversely, other games have AI that rams into walls repeatedly from an overdose of retardedness). However, AI is to do with games, and games are not limited to a single console, so let's just skip that, shall we?Mazty said:Family friendly games are not gamer friendly. The AI sucks, the graphics & gameplay are dated. Therefore, it is not a serious or good gaming console. Family friendly, yes, good for gaming, no. Anyone whose played games since the N64-era and isn't a Nintendo fanboy will agree with this point.Lexodus said:That's all he said aloud (in Dogma, at least, and that's the one I was talking about), although actions do speak louder than words. However, your point is irrelevant as to why Shia LaBeouf is correct.Mazty said:?Lexodus said:"No ticket", and "Thanks."Mazty said:Because Silent Bob always said what was true & wise, no matter how much the person didn't want to hear itLexodus said:
If that's all you think SB said then you need to brush up on your movies.
PS. Watch Clerks & Clerks 2. Plus they are amazing.
Gameplay is the main focus of a family game (Wait! Why are we arguing games? I'm talking console!), and it's usually great (there are some exceptions, but then again, there are always exceptions...), because it's usually the main, or only, thing the makers put a lot of time and effort into, which shows in most cases.
The Wii (or Revolution, if you want to call it that) isn't just for family games either. Sure, that's been its main focus lately, but it can deal with fps-es too. Admittedly, the xbox is better for that (don't talk to me about the PS3... I try and pretend that god-forsaken cock-up doesn't exist because it screwed me over so many times), but the Wii can handle it. What Mr. TheBeef has done here is slam both a fun console to use and pass up an opportunity to play with (and, in many people's wildest fantasies, have a drunken sexual orgy with) Megan Fox, who is, in many people's opinions, a Right Fit Bird, and done so without proper knowledge on the subject (he said it himself; he hasn't even played one, and therefore has no grounds for basing an opinion on) which I object to. Also, he took a shit all over my childhood, rendering him nothing but a huge tool in my eyes.
PS: I want to, but I have no idea where to get copies. I only found Dogma by chance...
Yes, he should give the wii a shot to have a valid point, but end of the day, the Wii is a gimmick. The motion plus proves this. Making a motion controller react in real-time. Which jackass thought it'd be okay to make a console based on motion controls not react in real time?
Not to mention shovel ware, lack of originality and the list goes on. Being somewhat of an old gamer, I can see it for what it is - a marketing success, but in terms of a console, an utter gimmick. It may be fun for a short time, but mark my word, next Christmas they will be worthless as they hit ebay in their thousands.
I've played games since the NES era, and I think the Wii has a lot of untapped potential for really good games, especially in the FPS genre, the control scheme is just dying to be used in online FPS's, and if Red Steel 2 can deliver on what Red Steel 1 couldn't (which the Wii-motion plus will really help with), I think you'll see what I mean. The conduit is also soon to come out and will demonstrate how well the Wii can handle FPS gaming. Put graphics and raw processing power aside for just a minute, anyone who's played video games since before the "N64 era" will realize that graphics aren't what make a game good. You do also know that the AI is largely determined by the software, not the console hardware right? It's up to game developers and publishers to get the right challenge level, not the console manufacturers.Mazty said:Family friendly games are not gamer friendly. The AI sucks, the graphics & gameplay are dated. Therefore, it is not a serious or good gaming console. Family friendly, yes, good for gaming, no. Anyone whose played games since the N64-era and isn't a Nintendo fanboy will agree with this point.Lexodus said:That's all he said aloud (in Dogma, at least, and that's the one I was talking about), although actions do speak louder than words. However, your point is irrelevant as to why Shia LaBeouf is correct.Mazty said:?Lexodus said:"No ticket", and "Thanks."Mazty said:Because Silent Bob always said what was true & wise, no matter how much the person didn't want to hear itLexodus said:
If that's all you think SB said then you need to brush up on your movies.
PS. Watch Clerks & Clerks 2. Plus they are amazing.
Some artificial challenge can be put into a game by making the controls suck, but is that really challenge you want? Tank controls in resident evil for instance, they're shitty and a lot of people get up in arms about how great they were because it made it "survival horror" but honestly they just suck and people are clutching at straws trying to hold onto something freaking stupid because they were able to bang their heads against the wall and suffer through it and don't want it any other way. The same kinda people claim that people who do well in FPS's on consoles using analog sticks to aim have more "skill" than a person playing an FPS on a Wii or PC using a better aiming mechanism.. is it more difficult to aim quickly and accurately using a thumbstick? Sure. Is it a skill worth bragging about? No.
Controls should be intuitive, responsive, and easy to just pick up and play. Challenge needs to be done through the AI, and level design, it's much more satisfying challenge when you do it that way.
Here's an example.. Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition.. because the gun shooting controls were so much better than they were on the Gamecube and PS2, the game on default and easy difficulty was just FAR too easy. To put the game at the intended difficulty, they got rid of normal and easy mode and made hard mode the normal mode for the game, with the half sized ammo stacks and more durable ganados. The result is the game is more fun to play because the controls are intuitive (aside from the A button being shoot instead of the B button), but the difficulty is about right (and you can unlock professional mode) because they made adjustments (in fact I think it's the way the game is meant to be, just they added the easier difficulties to compensate for shittier controls on the other consoles).
*starts crying*
I find it sad that few people visit the WiiEmpire these days. I feel like a social outcast for regularly taking small trips to WiiEmpire. If you ever intend to visit, then stay away from the big cities, like WiiSports-ville and BalanceBoard-City. I normally visit the smaller, cooler cities like New-MarioGalaxy, or NoMoreHeroes-Town.
Now that I've gotten that out of my system, let's focus on the important:
Why Shia? Every sane man would like to play Megan Fox with Megan Fo*cough*.
I find it sad that few people visit the WiiEmpire these days. I feel like a social outcast for regularly taking small trips to WiiEmpire. If you ever intend to visit, then stay away from the big cities, like WiiSports-ville and BalanceBoard-City. I normally visit the smaller, cooler cities like New-MarioGalaxy, or NoMoreHeroes-Town.
Now that I've gotten that out of my system, let's focus on the important:
Why Shia? Every sane man would like to play Megan Fox with Megan Fo*cough*.
I think the price that matters is what it takes to play the core games on the platform - the console fully equipped, not "whatever is in the box". For Wii, you need a ton of peripherals: wands, nunchucks, classic controllers, memory cards. Even backwards compatibility is dependent on having GC peripherals, idiotic decision if I've ever seen one. Seeing how one of Wii's main strengths is local multiplayer, you are pretty likely to need multiples of several different controller types. In comparison, many 360 and PS3 folks get all they need in the box. Adding a player is only a question of getting one extra controller, and having just one controller type is great for redundancy when controllers inevitably break. You can even use many 360 and PS3 peripherals with a PC, and some PC peripherals with the PS3, and there are adapters for converting - say - PS2 controllers for use on a PS3.Devildoc said:
At ~100 euros, I'd be tempted to buy a fully equipped Wii to play the precious few games on it that I'm interested in. At ~250 euros, which is the actual price level and ties with the 360 normal package, I find said Wii a terrible value. Value is subjective, but I'd certainly value the 360 a lot higher than the Wii, despite having a current gaming PC which makes a large portion of the 360's games redundant.