Shit! we forgot an election thread for the midterms. Here it is now.

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This is a huge win for democracy, his opponent Doug was the poster child for this year's Trump candidates. I am so God damn relieved.
Funny enough, this is the only race I'm unhappy with. Shapiro was almost never at any risk of losing, but he's almost certainly going to drag this state further down into the crapper. His favorite talking point in his ads was "I sued the Catholic Church for piles of money". That does not bode well for his priorities as governor.
 

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Funny enough, this is the only race I'm unhappy with. Shapiro was almost never at any risk of losing, but he's almost certainly going to drag this state further down into the crapper. His favorite talking point in his ads was "I sued the Catholic Church for piles of money". That does not bode well for his priorities as governor.
Don't know anything about the guy or why he sued, but I reckon I'd probably make a bit of a song and dance about it if I sued an organization that persistently protected paedophiles.
 
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Don't know anything about the guy or why he sued, but I reckon I'd probably make a bit of a song and dance about it if I sued an organization that persistently protected paedophiles.
You'd be a terrible governor though.
 

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Funny enough, this is the only race I'm unhappy with. Shapiro was almost never at any risk of losing, but he's almost certainly going to drag this state further down into the crapper. His favorite talking point in his ads was "I sued the Catholic Church for piles of money". That does not bode well for his priorities as governor.
The Pennsylvania Catholic Church covered up sexual abuse of >1,000 children, perpetrated by >300 priests.

Investigating and exposing that grotesque corruption and abuse is absolutely a worthy use of his office.
 

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This is the first time I got everything I wanted in an election. I have moderate republicans control my state making it pose to be a Silicon Valley heartland, a divided congress to curb democratic excess, and my man Fetterman won.
 

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that includes basic information on each candidate for all of the positions
Which positions? Like, I could see what issues are deemed worthy of what attention in that booklet being used as a form of political advertising for those currently in office. Also, several hundred million pages is a lot of dead trees for something that will be used once and discarded.

Other places don't do this?!
Not generally. Most can get all the basic info with a simple search though.

On the ballot we have ballot measures that will describe what they are in weird legal language but that's all you get for describing anything. You gotta look this stuff up yourself.
We get a brief synopsis of what the ballot measure is supposed to do followed by whatever the actual legal text and detail is. For example:
“Amendment No. 1: Clarification of the Judiciary’s Role in Impeachment Proceedings
Amendment”
Summary of Purpose: “Clarifying that courts have no authority or jurisdiction to intercede or intervene
in or interfere with impeachment proceedings of the House of Delegates or the Senate; and specifying
that a judgment rendered by the Senate following an impeachment trial is not reviewable by any court
of this state.”
Full Text of the Amendment:
ARTICLE IV.
§9. Impeachment of officials.
Any officer of the state may be impeached for maladministration, corruption, incompetency, gross immorality, neglect of duty, or any high crime or misdemeanor. The House of Delegates has the sole power of impeachment. The Senate has the sole power to try impeachments and no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members elected thereto. When sitting as a court of impeachment, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Appeals, or, if from any cause it be improper for him or her to act, then any other judge of that court, to be designated by it, shall preside; and the senators shall be on oath or affirmation, to do justice according to law and evidence. Judgment in cases of impeachment does not extend further than removal from office, and disqualification to hold any office of honor, trust or profit, under the state; but the party convicted remains liable to indictment, trial, judgment, and punishment according to law. The Senate may sit during the recess of the Legislature for the trial of impeachments. No court of this state has any authority or jurisdiction, by writ or otherwise, to intercede or intervene in, or interfere with, any impeachment proceedings of the House of Delegates or the Senate conducted hereunder; nor is any judgment rendered by the Senate following a trial of impeachment reviewable by any court of this state.
For levies there's a quick synopsis that it's a levy for the schools/libraries/whatever, followed by a description of what that levy is supposed to fund, followed by the financial details.

Never mind direct voting, wherein the ballots can be deliberately obtuse or otherwise misleading - with or without weasel wording - to try and prejudice voters towards a particular answer. Eg. "Should this law be rejected? Yes or No?" is a very literal case of "vote yes to say no". I shit you not, that's a thing. In fact, here's an example of it from 2014...as part of a 1,000 word ballot measure.
That's...a thing. My state just labels them to vote FOR or AGAINST the amendment/proposal/levy/etc.

Still early, but it's looking like it is in fact a red wave overall, but may come down to wires that result in an overall push. So far at least, the two biggest takeaways is that Trump candidates have been underperforming and that ballot initiatives (direct democracy, of course) are showing just how out of step both parties are with the people, but especially republicans. Republicans will probably see tonight as a mandate, but it really won't be. Tonight is an indictment of democrats and just how useless they are.
None of this would be surprising - midterms historically push against whichever party holds the presidency, being a Trump candidate drives Dem turnout, and no shit the parties are out of touch - there's a reason "not being a politician" was used as a selling point for Trump. As for Democrats being useless, of course they are - there's the party that does shit the big donors want and the party that claims to oppose them but is intentionally ineffective because they are paid by the same donors.

And we'll be right back to pretending crack and heroin are the "black" problems
Everyone knows that meth and prescription opioids are far more popular than crack among the white trash set, and the wealthy prefer powder cocaine.
 

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The Pennsylvania Catholic Church covered up sexual abuse of >1,000 children, perpetrated by >300 priests.

Investigating and exposing that grotesque corruption and abuse is absolutely a worthy use of his office.
Those numbers are deceptive. Extremely deceptive. They include a very broad range of actions. Some of those actions are rape and sexual abuse of minors, actions certainly deserving of jail time, nearly all of which resulted in defrocking and jail time. A much larger category is priests who had consensual sex with 16-18 year olds (mostly boys), which isn't statutory rape here, wasn't sexual assault in any sense in the 70s when most of these events occurred, isn't something you can even consider prosecuting without the victim agreeing to, and is a type of relationship that users on this forum actively defend in any other context. And in many of those cases, the Church declined to out the priest and boys, and moved the priest to a position that wouldn't be working with youth anymore.

They ball everything up into one big number so that it seems like children were being violently raped and the priests were just moved somewhere else to do it again, when in truth a pedophile priest was more likely to be convicted than any other pedophile, and the priests being moved between churches were sleeping with teens who were considered by society at the time as age-appropriate lovers in any other context.
 

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Those numbers are deceptive. Extremely deceptive. They include a very broad range of actions. Some of those actions are rape and sexual abuse of minors, actions certainly deserving of jail time, nearly all of which resulted in defrocking and jail time. A much larger category is priests who had consensual sex with 16-18 year olds (mostly boys), which isn't statutory rape here, wasn't sexual assault in any sense in the 70s when most of these events occurred, isn't something you can even consider prosecuting without the victim agreeing to, and is a type of relationship that users on this forum actively defend in any other context. And in many of those cases, the Church declined to out the priest and boys, and moved the priest to a position that wouldn't be working with youth anymore.
...I don't know about where you are, but where I am, if an adult is in a position of authority and responsibility over a 16-year-old and has sex with them, that's still considered grooming and abuse.

And moving the priest to another position is part of the problem. That's part of the cover-up.

They ball everything up into one big number so that it seems like children were being violently raped and the priests were just moved somewhere else to do it again, when in truth a pedophile priest was more likely to be convicted than any other pedophile, and the priests being moved between churches were sleeping with teens who were considered by society at the time as age-appropriate lovers in any other context.
People who are under your supervision and authority are not appropriate lovers.

Even if you're moaning about how the overall number has been presented, and that some don't qualify, that still leaves a large number of rapes and sexual abuse of minors-- which the Pennsylvania Catholic Church engaged in covering up, and which Shapiro assisted in exposing. Which is a worthy use of his office, and to which you're only objecting because you identify with the organisation that perpetrated the crimes.
 
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...I don't know about where you are, but where I am, if an adult is in a position of authority and responsibility over a 16-year-old and has sex with them, that's still considered grooming and abuse.
Where I live, age of consent is 16, except in cases like that, where it's 18, because obviously.

(Also, "Some of those actions are rape and sexual abuse of minors, actions certainly deserving of jail time, nearly all of which resulted in defrocking and jail time." is, to put it politely, total bullshit)
 

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Ffs people, you're playing his game again.
It's just that standing up for paedophiles is such a strange thing to do. I've never understood how Catholics have been able to square that circle of an omnipotent god and child abuse carried out in his name. But we can leave them to their fucked up hypocritical fake morality I suppose.
 
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It's just that standing up for paedophiles is such a strange thing to do. I've never understood how Catholics have been able to square that circle of an omnipotent god and child abuse carried out in his name. But we can leave them to their fucked up hypocritical fake morality I suppose.
Anything's good to derail and goad.
 

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I mean, if you're pro-paedo (as unfortunately the Catholic church has been for far too long (I was raised Catholic)) then I definitely would be terrible for you, regardless of all my other governor failings.
Now... I may not be Catholic, but I'm pretty sure this is not in fact true.
 

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It's just that standing up for paedophiles is such a strange thing to do.
Well, it is very popular. Everyone hates them, when things are vague and nebulous, mention specific people or institutions and lots of people behave very differently about the topic.

However, it probably is best to stop playing and move along.

 

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Fetterman was so def-eatable, even before his stroke. Where was a discussion about what the Green New Deal means for Steel workers? 5 million "migrants" entering illegally in the US which drives down wages? Measuring US health (economic, energy independent and more?) Doesn't seem Oz brought it insisting that Fetterman would be a vote to remain going in what must Americans think is a wrong track.

Most of the footage I saw of Fetterman had him complaining that Oz is wealthy. That should not have been enough.
 

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Funny enough, this is the only race I'm unhappy with. Shapiro was almost never at any risk of losing, but he's almost certainly going to drag this state further down into the crapper. His favorite talking point in his ads was "I sued the Catholic Church for piles of money". That does not bode well for his priorities as governor.
I'd certainly look twice at a candidate who sues an organization which regularly hides sex offenders, basically launders money, declares itself exempt from taxes and tries to corrupt politicians.

Better than the alternative side of being so deep in their pockets that the concept of separation of state and religion is blurring.
 

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Well, it is very popular. Everyone hates them, when things are vague and nebulous, mention specific people or institutions and lots of people behave very differently about the topic.

However, it probably is best to stop playing and move along.

Damn, that gif is so high quality, where'd you get it?