Should Death Row Inmates Be Used for Experiments?

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Jake0fTrades

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Thomas Guy said:
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Congratulations, you are now on the moral level of this man:

OMG Jackie Chan...seriously who the hell is that.

But OT- No that is awful. Just awful.
I know you've already been answered, but here's a bit more detail.

Shiro Ishii was a Lieutenant General with the Imperial Japanese Army in the second World War. Ishii was the head of "Unit 731", a group that tested potential Biological Weapons to use against the Allies. He performed vivisections--as well as other lethal experiments--on human subjects.
 

DarkRyter

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Death Penalty is archaic and serves no purpose in the first place.

Though, if there was a buncha people who were jailed for life, and were willing to contribute to SCIENCE, key word willing, i guess it'd be okay.
 
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You could give them the option, but the subject seems very reminiscent of a certain Kubrick film. I don't really agree with the death penalty either, but that's a bit off topic.
 

Ramzal

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This falls under cruel and unusual punishment. Kind of illegal, and from a scientific point of view, it's borderline inhumane. Honestly, saying "It's for science, so we will benefit from it as a whole" does not justify anything and how little people know what that means.

For example: If we did things for the benefit of humanity and for science, we would be having unprotected sex at the age of 14 so that we can reproduce by 15-17 so that our genetics are prime for our offspring.
 

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No. Violent criminals caught in the act or with the evidence should be executed on the spot by police, military, or whoever was wronged. It's a waste of resources to house them, feed them, THEN execute them with a method more expensive/elaborate than a bullet to the head.
 

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I agree with Sane.

The nazis actualy benefited science immensley. Paraphrasing portal "why don't they just marry safe science if they love it that much".

I am against this idea but I see its merits. How we treat hypothermia is due to what the nazis done. How many lives has that saved I don't know but Im guessing quite a few.
 

sabercrusader

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If they consent then sure, I don't see the problem with it, it's the exact same thing as selling your body to science. If they didn't consent and were forced to do it (like in FMA), then I would have a problem, because THAT is inhumane.
 

Jakub324

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If they consent, why not? They might achieve something which will add a decent foot not to their lives.
 

Nikolaz72

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Being against the death penalty I cannot agree to experiment on people going for the death penalty
 

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If you've done something deserving of the death penalty you've forfeited your humanity. Give them the choice, certainly, don't force it on them, but as far as i'm concerned no one on that row is human.
 

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Thomas Guy said:
OMG Jackie Chan...seriously who the hell is that..
It's already been answered, but that's Shiro Ishii, commander of Unit 731.

Look it up, and try not to feel some measure of horror.

ZEBSER said:
I don't understand the connection with Josef Mengele or anyone like him. He experimented on innocent people, were talking about people on DEATH ROW. People who have no chance at life anyway, because of some heinous crime. Why not? Simply because it is immoral? If there on death row, then what they did was also immoral.
The people Ishii tortured to death were nominally guilty of crimes. Looting, opposing the Japanese occupation, 'seditious activities', political activism. Most would have been executed anyway.

Many of the people Mengle tortured to death were also nominally guilty of crimes. 'Race crime' was a part of German law at the time.

National law cannot supersede international law. That's very specifically stated in the Nuremberg articles. Because a government has declared someone guilty of a crime does not grant dispensation to torture them or to treat them inhumanely.

Sinisterspider said:
If you've done something deserving of the death penalty you've forfeited your humanity. Give them the choice, certainly, don't force it on them, but as far as i'm concerned no one on that row is human.
Maybe in my opinion you've just forfeited your humanity by saying that.

Or perhaps noone has the right to decide who is and is not human. That's not the purpose of a legal system.

Crimes are acts, they are not states of being. The law cannot punish people based on 'who they are', it can only base its judgement on whether a crime has been committed.
 

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Let's take a moment here and assume that some person has been wrongfully convicted of a crime for which said person will receive the death sentence.

Now, with your proposal, said person, once convicted, would be at the mercy of experimenting scientists until the day that they either received a lethal injection OR THE DAY THEY WERE EXONERATED OF THAT CRIME.
Do you not understand the definition of Consent?? I've said it quite a few times already, I'm not saying we grab someone who's just been put on Death Row and start injecting him with lethal drugs and/or diseases while he's kicking, screaming, and pleading for them to stop. I'm saying the person's been on Death Row for maybe a year or so - I've heard the average time most people sit on Death Row is around 10 years, so we could even bump it up to two or three years - and there's no sign that he's going to be proven innocent. He's then given a choice; he can either sit in his cell for the rest of his days, or he can go outside and participate in an experiment/trial/procedure/whatever. If possible, payments could be made to his family for his participation.

So, given your example, the wrongfully convicted person may have no hope for the justice system, and will instead see this as a way to choose how he dies, rather than have the government decide for him, while also receiving a small bit of reparations for his family. Now, of course, if the procedures work, he lives, he benefits mankind, and who knows? His help to the project might just get used to help free him and get him off Death Row.

Ov3rdose said:
Your logic is that there going to die anyway and while they wait they take up space ,in a way so do the terminally ill and there is a lesser chance that they get cured miraculously .Do you want to do tests on the terminally ill?
Aren't they technically tested on, anyway? Aren't experimental procedures performed on terminally ill patients all the time? Isn't that how Chemotherapy came to be?

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Absolutely not. That's just immoral and cruel.
And just plain killing them isn't?
Did he say that? Well if he did I'm going to say both of them are immoral.

But besides the death penalty is supposed to be quick and painless (I say supposed to because sometimes it isn't). Medical experiments aren't always painless and they certainly aren't quick.
I didn't create this thread to debate the death penalty. People who are opposed to the death penalty seem to automatically be opposed to this, as has been seen in a few posts. From my point of view, the Death Penalty is the government telling a person how and when he will die. Consent to Experimentation is the person telling the government how he wishes/chooses to (possibly) die. While a premature death is still the result, at least the latter, IMO, is slightly more humane than the former.
 

UnknownGunslinger

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If it's consensual I don't see why not.
I can see how few people who are destined to die would like to contribute something to society in their last moments on earth.
I think it is a good thing.
Like the way they used the body of Joseph Paul Jernigan for the Visible Human Project.
I'd like to think he felt good for doing something that will be beneficial to thousands of people in his last moments on earth.
 

CarlMin

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Well, I would certainly think its wrong. But one could argue that perfoming experienments on sadistic inmates who probably suffer from some kind of antisocial disorder is more ethical than performing cruel tests on monkeys and apes, sentient beings that after all have practically the same ability to feel psychological and emotional pain and suffering as human beings, not to mention physical pain.

So that's a tough question for you escapists who condemn the OP while supporting experiments on primates.
 

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i'm not sure in my county but it can't happen in america because their Constitution says no cruel and unusual punishments
 

renegade7

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It would be cruel and unusual punishment. Of course, they should be provided the option, just not have it forced on them, otherwise it's torture.
 

aashell13

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Historically the corpses of executed criminals were used for medical research; mostly as dissection cadavers for med school anatomy lectures.

So there is precedent for the practice, but i'm not sure that makes it a good idea. The death penalty as punishment for a duly convicted crime is one thing, experimentation is quite another. Informed consent would have to be retained, because laws against cruel and unusual punishment would prohibit participation in an experiment as part of a sentence. Perhaps therapies which are riskier than normally permitted in human trials might be tested on prisoners awaiting execution, but only if informed consent was obtained beforehand and stringent ethical and oversight standards met.
 

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I would like to remark that Shirō Ishii got out of being punished for his War Crimes by selling his results to the US.

So the question if the United States want to sink to that level isn't realy accuarte. A more interesting question would be, what they did to justify such a purchase.

Maybe I am too harsh, after all World War II wasn't exactly moral high ground for anyone. But I sometimes have the feeling that the US tend to see themselves as the good guys and Hitler and Stalin as the bad guys.
 

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Togs said:
This type of things is straight out of Nazi Germany (go look up Josef Mengele for a quick history lesson)
DAMMIT BEAT TO IT!!!


Glad i wasnt the only one who immediately thought of Joe