Should I Report?

[Grey Day for Elcia]

"Oh god, children having fun without fabric on their body! SWEET JESUS!"

That's pretty much what I said when I first saw this thread! ...except in an extremely sarcastic tone. [small][sub]No, I don't talk out loud while I read the threads...[/sub][/small]

Other than that, it was fun reading the posts coming from all of the prudes. Fairly amusing. ...and really sad...

Preventing sick people from harming children: very good.

Preventing children from playing how they want and enjoying themselves: bad.

I don't want to live in a place where people are so afraid of being a potential victim that they cover their body from head to toe and never leave their home. If we do that, the predators win. If we do that, we make ourselves and our children a different kind of victim. May as well report everyone that's ever taken their top off at a beach or joined a nudist community--for their own safety, right?

It's also worth reminding everyone here that a child is much, much, much more likely to be harmed by a parent or friend than a stranger, so this "pedo driving by" scenario is pointless. You wanna protect kids? Awesome. Being scared isn't the way to go about it. We get so swept up in wanting to protect our kids from strangers that we don't take the time to protect them from ourselves. It's not nice and no one wants to think about it, but it's the truth, and the longer we ignore it, the longer kids suffer in silence, too ashamed or afraid to speak out 'cause their abuser lives with them or goes to their school or church. The monsters you know, as they say.

Life's too short to be afraid. Teach your kids about stranger danger, tell them to call for help the second anyone, even one of their parents--no matter what they say--touches them on their bikini areas. Get to know the people your kids hang out with. Talk to your kids. But whatever you do, don't be afraid of the world, 'cause kids pick up on it and the more time we as a society spend freaking out, the less fun this life's gonna be and the more scared our kids will be. Do you want kids too afraid to walk to school? Or do you want kids walking to school equipped with the tools and information to be safe? Kids aren't dumb. Teach them what they need and keep the lines of communication open.

Be informed, not afraid.

/rant

 

[CD-R]

Considering you're disagreeing with every other user who's posted in this thread so far, care to explain your reasoning? Not getting on your back, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, just curious.

He's from the U.S. There's a pretty strict taboo about child nudity here unlike in other countries. Even though I don't personally take issue with it, I wouldn't encourage this behavior given the waves it would cause. Hell, some Americans have issues with breastfeeding. We sexualize pretty much any display of nudity in the U.S.

If I were the OP, I'd try explaining to them that, however innocuous it may seem, a fair number of Americans will have strong objections.

This

While nudity in of itself isn't bad you have to remember this isn't Europe, Mexico, South America what ever. People have had there kids taken away for less. The Authorities are extremely overzealous in regards to this type of stuff. I would try explaining that to your neighbor.

If anyone's wondering why America has this prudish attitude when it comes to nudity, it's because these were some of the first people to colonize the U.S

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans

People who wore all black, didn't party, didn't dance, and confused the hell out of everyone by wearing belt buckles on their hats.

 

[Patrick Buck]

Nah, mate, it's not a problem. Pretty common in europe. People are more comfterable with nudity. Coming from britain, it's not much better here, but a little bit.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

What all you foreigners have to realize is that here in america, we want to have sex with everything, but because of our high morals, we aren't allowed to have sex with anything, so when we see any thing resembling nudity we want to have sex with it, why do you think we dress our dogs up?

...

This make a lot of sense...

Spoiler: Reminds me of this

I loled at how the swiss dude is all in love with the penis in the game xD

Though isnt it the exact reverse for European countries, they freak out at violence but shrug off nudity?

really nice comic.
But what swiss dude?
playing=Swede
first one=american
second=iceland(ian)
third=dane
fourth=norwegian
Just a shame they left the Finn out, not the whole of scandinavia without us there

Finland was too busy doing this

Spoiler

 

[Athinira]

Even I don't believe that because most people are thick headed. Really like for you to tell me the last time a car alarm was effective.

Car alarms are very effective as a preventive measure, especially during daylight. Their usefulness is diminished during the night because most people are asleep at that time, but before car alarms were invented, daylight car theft (or breakins) were much more common.

Can see this guy going off on some bullshit story, "come on we got to go Aunt Sallys house." The human race for the most part doesn't want to get involved. have seen it time and time again.

That's also very incorrect.

First of all, that assumptions is based on you living in America, which has a much higher "every man for himself" mentality than some other parts of the world (especially in regards to crime prevention, first of all because the police in America are much less trusted by the citizens for several reasons, but second and more importantly because guns are much more common there). I'm from Denmark, and despite being a small country of 5-6 mil inhabitants, we very often have cases were criminals were either arrested by a civilian, was caught because they were tailed by a civilian (including tailing drunk drivers), or civilians just calling the police because they have spotted suspicious activity. People are very willing to get involved most of the time.

And even then, while it's true that people don't like to get DIRECTLY involved, many people are still gonna be willing to involve themself indirectly, for example by calling the cops.

Of course if you say the right thing, which he probably will if hes kidnapping a child. Really think he won't say something if somebody happens to intervene. So many kids have gotten off the hook by the parent telling the stranger a story. Even though what you say makes sense, it's not 100%. Lots of people just want to wash their hands of something. Little kids do dumb shit all the time, one running around naked might just be seen as a parent that is fed up and wants to take them to get dressed in the car.

Oh please. If you're in the process if kidnapping a child, and you are approached by someone who wants to ask what the fuss is about, 99.99% of kidnappers would fail the test. First of all, you have to come up with a pretty convincing story while under stress. Then you have to deal with the child being able to tell on you (and not just with words. Most people who are clever enough to approach and ask are clever enough to figure out if something is off), and finally you have to pull it off with convincing body language and a convincing voice while under said stress.

You are dreaming things up here. Fact is that most attempted child-kidnappers, when approached, panics, or at the very least attempt to jump the fence. You can't drag a screaming child along with you and expect people to believe your story. It's not gonna work.

 

[Aglynugga]

Here's my question...what the fuck is going on with those kids? I live in Canada. I cannot think of a single canadian child who at the age of 9, would run around their front yard naked. I have never seen it. Not once. At nine years old, if someone would have suggested to me to go outside naked and run around, I would have used every bad word I knew at the time to tell them in no uncertain words 'No.' Maybe it's just me. Maybe there *was* some magical neihborhood full of innocent cherubs wearing only the suit god gave them and I just never noticed.
Any other canadians reading this thinking 'Yeah...I'd put some underwear on.'
I'm not going to go on about pedophiles or kidnappers or people who enjoy the idea of children being naked , I'm just going to go from the perspective I, and apparently every single one of my childhood comrades seemed to share. When you are outside in public, clothes go on your body. It really doesn't matter what age you are. I don't want you waggle-dangling your infants dong on the counter at the local Tim hortons, and I don't want to see your grandpa's wrinkled ass rolling down the sidewalk. And if I was walking past somebodies house and there were a bunch of naked kids running around, I would probably call someone and say' Yo, there's somebody who obviously either can't afford to clothe their children properly, or haven't taught them propriety.
You guys can defend the naked kids all you like, but most of you probably wouldn't have done it at that age, and if you actually saw it, would probably be kinda' wtf...?'

 

[repeating integers]

Here's my question...what the fuck is going on with those kids? I live in Canada. I cannot think of a single canadian child who at the age of 9, would run around their front yard naked. I have never seen it. Not once. At nine years old, if someone would have suggested to me to go outside naked and run around, I would have used every bad word I knew at the time to tell them in no uncertain words 'No.' Maybe it's just me. Maybe there *was* some magical neihborhood full of innocent cherubs wearing only the suit god gave them and I just never noticed.
Any other canadians reading this thinking 'Yeah...I'd put some underwear on.'
I'm not going to go on about pedophiles or kidnappers or people who enjoy the idea of children being naked , I'm just going to go from the perspective I, and apparently every single one of my childhood comrades seemed to share. When you are outside in public, clothes go on your body. It really doesn't matter what age you are. I don't want you waggle-dangling your infants dong on the counter at the local Tim hortons, and I don't want to see your grandpa's wrinkled ass rolling down the sidewalk. And if I was walking past somebodies house and there were a bunch of naked kids running around, I would probably call someone and say' Yo, there's somebody who obviously either can't afford to clothe their children properly, or haven't taught them propriety.
You guys can defend the naked kids all you like, but most of you probably wouldn't have done it at that age, and if you actually saw it, would probably be kinda' wtf...?'

Different cultures. It was mentioned in the OP that they were mexican, where they're not nearly so stupidly prudish.

 

[McMullen]

Don't care how the rest of the world does it. After all welcome to America, where the young people wear fucking pants. Maybe once their daughter gets kidnapped, then they will go out and buy swimtrucks. Not really in the mood to see loli porn on your front yard, call me crazy.

Nudity =/= porn

I also love how you think being naked is the one thing that would tip the balance between a child getting kidnapped or not.

Oh hell yeah it would. Really think a child molester is going to pass up a naked kid, thats like christmas coming early.

Aren't most kidnappings and molestations done by family members? Something like 80%, I think? And aren't most of the rest done by people the family knows?

I really don't think you understand the nature of what you're talking about. You should probably inform yourself a little better before speaking. I think it's people doing exactly what you're doing that has helped make us such a sexually paranoid nation (in all things that can possibly be related to sex, not just stranger danger), and I'd like to ask you to stop embarrassing us.

 

[Aglynugga]

Different cultures. It was mentioned in the OP that they were mexican, where they're not nearly so stupidly prudish.

Did you just call canadians stupidly prudish? How about, not moronically underclothed?

 

[game-lover]

This issue is tricky.

I think they really shouldn't allow that to happen. It's not safe and when the hell are the children supposed to learn modesty? The parents will probably make it harder for themselves as they get older. I mean, they have a 9 year running around naked. Unless they're raising nudists, I wonder how tough it'll be to change the routine.

But I probably wouldn't report. I spoke to my mom and while she believes it's not safe, there's a risk there. In general, most people want you to mind your own business. If you report, they might grow hostile with you and that'll be a tough thing to deal with.

 

[Darkwhite]

Report what?

This is a non-freakin'-issue.


Don't ever go to the beach outside of America, or you'll get quite a shock...

Yeah, I went to Italy and experienced that. Also, dudes in Speedos. It was a little odd at first, but it's like being in a sauna: after 10 minutes of awkwardness it becomes a complete non issue.

It seems we're exporting our prudishness to the UK though.[footnote]http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/aug/10/alton-towers-speedo-ban[/footnote] Maybe in a few years, British people will think this is odd, too.

To be fair I think nudity is preferable to speedos, just eww >.<

 

[The Funslinger]

Haha same happened to me in Spain. Except it was an old bald guy that decided that right there and then was the perfect time to change into his speedo by first stripping down completely nude.

My first experiences were much more enjoyable. We went to the beach in Venice. It's actually a sand beach, too! Not American sand mind you, but good enough to go barefoot. Anyway, there was a group of guys about my age playing with a soccer ball on the beach in Speedos and square cuts.

Our beaches are pretty shit yeah.

My idea of a good holiday isn't to stay in the same country -_-


Somewhere hot.

I love to find a great coffee shop, sit in the shade and drink cappuccino all day

Define "hot". I've heard British people who complain when the temperature gets above 25 C and is sunny. Also, dear God I hope you bring some SPF 1,000. We saw these British tourists on our vacation, and I swear they looked like lobsters. Lobsters with funny accents.

Glad I'm in the minority. I'm from Yorkshire and I went through the "playing contact rugby on tarmac in t-shirt and shorts in sleet and rain in November" phase, so I have a high threshold for cold, but I've spent years going around Europe so heat doesn't really bother me either.

Being from Yorkshire is relevant because A) higher elevation = more exposure to cold (though I'll admit the Scots have us beaten on this) and B) People from Yorkshire (the proper rural places at least, as urban areas are all the same) are generally more bad-ass than the rest of Britain

To actually be on topic, child nudity irritates me, but it's best just left alone. They'll snap out of it sooner or later.

 

[Dags90]

This issue is tricky.

I think they really shouldn't allow that to happen. It's not safe and when the hell are the children supposed to learn modesty? The parents will probably make it harder for themselves as they get older. I mean, they have a 9 year running around naked. Unless they're raising nudists, I wonder how tough it'll be to change the routine.

But I probably wouldn't report. I spoke to my mom and while she believes it's not safe, there's a risk there. In general, most people want you to mind your own business. If you report, they might grow hostile with you and that'll be a tough thing to deal with.

What's unsafe about it? As others have said, the great majority of child abuse is done by people previously known to children. Same thing for kidnapping. There's no real reason to think that a child who's playing naked in their front lawn is more likely to be kidnapped, especially when half the neighborhood is staring at them like they have a third head.

Do you really think the children are going to need to be taught modesty? A nine year old still isn't sexualized, they've got nothing to cover up. As soon as they start developing sexual features, they'll probably want to cover up of their own accord out of embarrassment. If you're a 9 year old boy, you don't care if anyone sees your dick because you aren't thinking of it as anything other than what you use to pee. By the time you hit 12, you don't want anyone to see your dick without your permission because you know it's sexual and you're worried about how you measure up.

 

[game-lover]

This issue is tricky.

I think they really shouldn't allow that to happen. It's not safe and when the hell are the children supposed to learn modesty? The parents will probably make it harder for themselves as they get older. I mean, they have a 9 year running around naked. Unless they're raising nudists, I wonder how tough it'll be to change the routine.

But I probably wouldn't report. I spoke to my mom and while she believes it's not safe, there's a risk there. In general, most people want you to mind your own business. If you report, they might grow hostile with you and that'll be a tough thing to deal with.

What's unsafe about it? As others have said, the great majority of child abuse is done by people previously known to children. Same thing for kidnapping. There's no real reason to think that a child who's playing naked in their front lawn is more likely to be kidnapped, especially when half the neighborhood is staring at them like they have a third head.

Do you really think the children are going to need to be taught modesty? A nine year old still isn't sexualized, they've got nothing to cover up. As soon as they start developing sexual features, they'll probably want to cover up of their own accord out of embarrassment. If you're a 9 year old boy, you don't care if anyone sees your dick because you aren't thinking of it as anything other than what you use to pee. By the time you hit 12, you don't want anyone to see your dick without your permission because you know it's sexual and you're worried about how you measure up.

There's no reason to think it wouldn't happen either. And I'm pretty sure the whole neighborhood wouldn't be staring. If anything, they'd avert their eyes after a fashion. But why would you risk it? And hey, who says kidnapping has to be the main issue? It could be some stranger taking pictures and putting it on child porn websites for perverts to enjoy. That'd take considerably less effort and risk if the right camera can work at a distance.

And why not? keep in mind, no one body is the same. I developed sexual features when I was 9 going on 10 years old myself. Still, the rest of your points seem to make sense. But you're pretty much taught that part of your body are sexual. I'm wondering how it's gonna go with the parents teaching their daughters that their bodies are sexual all of a sudden when it wasn't before.

 

[Something Amyss]

I dunno man.

Ever gotten to a woman's bra and just gave up?

Bras prevent rapes.

It's a scientific fact proven by facts of scientific science.

Maybe for amateurs, but I am a pro!

Cultural background.

That does nothing for his statements of concern, though.

Is there a way to know when someone puts you on there to ignore list?

Oh dear, have I been put on ignore?

Fun fact:

[HEADING=1] NUDITY =/= SEX [/HEADING]

Oh wow, you just blew my mind.

 

[Something Amyss]

I know what I am fucking talking about, don't tell me otherwise.

Your statements demonstrate you don't.

Though I'm curious, what are your qualifications to talk about pedophiles and their preferences?

 

[McMullen]

I know what I am fucking talking about, don't tell me otherwise.

Your statements demonstrate you don't.

Though I'm curious, what are your qualifications to talk about pedophiles and their preferences?

I don't need to explain myself to a bunch of uppety doushbags who want to play teacher. Now what are your fucking qualifications? Come on teacher, teach me something. Oh you don't like being attacked. Like people telling you that you don't know something. Do I really need to tell you because all you will do is tell me I am wrong. Basically sick of this thread. Literally don't give a shit anymore. Okay so move on. Okay think about me what you will, AND MOVE ON. Don't care anymore about this topic, spread the word to mountains on high.

Hmm. Getting angry, calling names, treating opposing consensus as oppression, and ragequitting the thread.

Whether you're right and arguing with fanatics, or wrong and just not able to realize it, you should avoid doing that. It doesn't really matter here on the internet one way or another; we have no reason to care what you think about us and you have no reason to care what we think about you, because in the end we're just names and avatars to each other. On the other hand, if you do that in real life, it's a good way to earn a reputation as an unpleasant fellow who, right or wrong, at the very least deals with disagreements in a very immature way. That will limit your options in life.

 

[Rawne1980]

I honestly don't see the problem.

I know I used to run around nekkid as a kid.

My 5 year old likes to run around the house nekkid after a bath ... flinging bloody water everywhere until my wife catches her and spoils her fun by putting clothes on her.

Note I said wife .... no way am I chases my daughter around. She may be 5 but by fuck has she got some speed on her.

 

[Thamous]

I honestly don't see the problem.

I know I used to run around nekkid as a kid.

My 5 year old likes to run around the house nekkid after a bath ... flinging bloody water everywhere until my wife catches her and spoils her fun by putting clothes on her.

Note I said wife .... no way am I chases my daughter around. She may be 5 but by fuck has she got some speed on her.

Wanna explain that one for me?

 

[Beeple]

I honestly don't see the problem.

I know I used to run around nekkid as a kid.

My 5 year old likes to run around the house nekkid after a bath ... flinging bloody water everywhere until my wife catches her and spoils her fun by putting clothes on her.

Note I said wife .... no way am I chases my daughter around. She may be 5 but by fuck has she got some speed on her.

Wanna explain that one for me?

I'm British and even I did a double take at that one, we use 'bloody' in the same way you'd use any other generic expletive as an adjective.

I certainly hope this is the case.