Should add context from particular source of question, it it helps, was an American white supremacist/fascist doing the rounds on UK RW reactionary (posh twat) podcasts recently where they don't ever say what they mean but repeat the same disingenuous line of rhetorical questioning, starting with their fave jumpoff question there positioned as a "how far modern society has fallen in comparison to our completely totally innocent and superior ancestors?" Forcing a weird 'parental disapproval' dynamic where none exists. It's that framing I reject wholly
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