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NoNameMcgee

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I was about to post this in the "Rate your parents" thread, but it turned out to be a lengthy post and I would like peoples advice on this.

The biggest problem in our household is that my mum is extremely soft, she will never punish my brother even though he is a complete terror (and I do not mean this in the "*rolling eyes*, oh he's so immature" kind of terror.. I mean the "he's kicking and screaming, throwing things and shouting and swearing at my parents if he doesn't get his way" kind of terror. And he's 14. My mum simply tells him to stop and threatens him by saying she will take away something he wants to use, like his laptop, or TV, and not give it back until he behaves. This is all well and good, except those are empty threats because she will NEVER do that and my brother knows it. He knows he can get away with anything without consequences because he has never been punished before even when he is being a complete asshole.

This should be common sense that you punish children when they do wrong, because if you don't they grow up believing there are no consequences to their actions and they think they can do whatever they like. Right? I've explained this to both my parents clearly multiple times and they won't listen to me, they just tell me "I'm too young to understand" and "you don't know what it's like"... well that's true, but this is something most parents do and it's pretty obvious that their 14 year olds are better behaved than this one... Kid does something wrong > parents punish kid > kid realizes when he does that thing he receives a punishment > kid stops doing that thing in fear of being punished and realizes its wrong.

As it stands my brother is a disobedient selfish brat who sees nothing wrong with shouting and swearing at my mother when she tries to wake him up in the morning, saying bluntly to her face how crappy her meals are and then DEMANDING that she makes something he wants (which she then does) eating like a fat pig everything in the cupboard, complaining when it all goes and then expecting her to buy him more. Occasionally he also calls her a ***** or tells her to "fuck off". When he is at school he is fine and well-behaved, because at school he is actually at risk of being punished.

See, my parents were the same when I was growing up, but luckily I was pretty well behaved and turned out okay. I never remember even once receiving a proper punishment when I did misbehave though, except the occasional "you're grounded!" which my dad would promise would last weeks but ended up lasting about half a day until I would apologize and they let me out. My parents are great but they just don't know how to discipline properly.

How can I crowbar it into my parent's heads that they need to start dishing out punishments for my brother before we get the point where he isn't going to change? Help?
 
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Ahh corporal punishment, I miss you my old friend. Clip him 'round the tab hole.

No, but seriously, there's not really anything you can do, parents have the amazing ability to ignore their child's advice. I'm a 3rd year law student and my parents still think they know more than me.
 

jeff02x2

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do the punishing yourself, if your parents wont discipline you either then you have the power.
 

The Undoer

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Really? :\ I grew out of that whole thing... 7 years ago. So I'd have been 8. Wow... I really don't have any advice, but make him realise he can't get away with it, I guess... Get the police involved perhaps, that set me straight. Though I can't get a job working with kids, dunno where you live and what the rules are though.
 

NoNameMcgee

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kevo.mf.last said:
how old are you?
I'm 19... Should have just checked my profile man :)

jeff02x2 said:
do the punishing yourself, if your parents wont discipline you either then you have the power.
Yeah but the thing is, whatever punishments I can give him won't last either. I am an adult so I am in charge when my parents go out etc, but if I do punish him somehow he's just going to go crying to mummy and she'll redeem whatever I've done saying it was unfair or whatever (I can just see it now) and it's not like I would hurt him or something (though I get the urge sometimes, that's for sure)

Daystar Clarion said:
No, but seriously, there's not really anything you can do, parents have the amazing ability to ignore their child's advice. I'm a 3rd year law student and my parents still think they know more than me.
From my experience I'm inclined to think you're right. :( This should just be common sense though. ugh.

The Undoer said:
but make him realise he can't get away with it, I guess... Get the police involved perhaps, that set me straight. Though I can't get a job working with kids, dunno where you live and what the rules are though.
Really, the police? I don't think they'd be interested in something like that, they have more important things to do than sort out family matters. It's not like anyone is being harmed (only my mum emotionally when he insults her, refuses to listen to her and makes her cry)
 

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AverageJoe said:
The Undoer said:
but make him realise he can't get away with it, I guess... Get the police involved perhaps, that set me straight. Though I can't get a job working with kids, dunno where you live and what the rules are though.
Really, the police? I don't think they'd be interested in something like that, they have more important things to do than sort out family matters. It's not like anyone is being harmed (only my mum emotionally when he insults her, refuses to listen to her and makes her cry)
I was under the impression that things were getting violent, but the police -have- to come out if they're called, at least in the UK.

As I said, dunno where you live/the laws. But for his sake he needs to realise he can't get away with it.
 

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AverageJoe said:
Occasionally he also calls her a ***** or tells her to "fuck off".
Ok, this is where, as a father, I'd be beating his ass.
If I ever talked to my mother that way, I'd get my ass kicked. Repeatedly.

Honestly, I can't imagine why your own father would allow anyone, son or not, to talk to his wife that way. And your mother? Why would she think that's acceptable? That that type of back-talk is acceptable, then I've lost hope for any discipline with that kid. That is just disgusting.

Try sitting down with him, and having a serious talk about how he's a douche.
But don't use the word 'douche'.
 

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At this point, the kid's a lost cause. There's nothing you can really do to curb his actions, as fourteen years of uninterrupted bad behavior + the onset of puberty = he's not going to be getting any better any time soon. All I can really say is try and not give a damn about him. Love your parents, ignore the child.
 

SmartIdiot

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Punish him physically. Corporal Punishment (though he deserves Capital). If you won't, he'll continue to be like this. I've heard small bags of oranges don't bruise.
Yep and it teaches 'em a lesson too.

OP: If that fails, just take your belt of an snap it towards him, all the while saying "you sassin' me? 'cause I'll lay the smack down on ya boy!"
 

Kaymish

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no i can promise you the police are interested i remember when i was doing my stint with the airforce and i had to work with the police they were very proactive especially with children because a bad child turns into a bad adult who takes up space in the cells

and if you are big enough read the local law and see how much corporal punishment you can get away with your mother will have a hard time reversing that

[edit] ok maybe not promise but i can say it is likely
 

nolongerhere

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o_O This is scarily like the situation at my house. I mean, by brother's 17, but other than that, it's nearly the exact same. Honestly, I've no idea how to sort it. I've just accepted the fact that my brother is a dick a lot of the time. He's got times when he's really sweet and kind, but they're pretty rare. Ah well, good luck with it.
 

neoontime

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Invite a creppy old man over and scare him into believing he'll be molested
It worked on me
 

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It might sound like a joke but Baby Tea is right. There's no excuse for your brothers outright disrepect for your mother. I wouldn't dream of treating my mother like that and I'm sure you feel the same way.

Warn him the next time he says something like that, that you'll teach him the meaning of respect. If he ignores you and still treats your mum like shit, punch him really hard in the face... He isn't made of glass, he will not die from a punch. But he certainly won't forget it anytime soon... You don't have to beat him within an inch of his life or anything but he seems to have left you with no alternative...

You'll need to explain this to your mother too (preferably beforehand). Tell her that you will no longer sit and watch this abuse any longer and that if she or your father aren't willing to properly discipline him then you will be forced to do it yourself for everyone's sake. Do not back down from this position! With any luck someone will intervene and recognise the problems before you have to resort to violence. But i'd doubt it and besides, it'll be satisfying to say the least...
 

Vitor Goncalves

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I only question if you punch him in the face if your parents wont jump on you. As for your brother if he still make those scenes at 14?! He is quite close to be a lost case I am afraid :(
My 8 year old nephew does that constantly and I still think its the emotional maturity of a 3 year old.
Last summer at a point we were on a trip back home, 4 hours, me, my sister and my brother-in-law, my parents and my both nephews. He started shouting cause he wanted to sit next to mum when he previously agreed that the brother would sit there. Of course the brother (my older nephew is 10) didn't like it as on the way from home to our destiny the younger had travelled next to mum.
He starts crying, keeps yelling and my sister started to yell at him but at same time asks me to pull over (I was driving). And I thought to myself (fucking hell no, the little terrorist always gets what he wants and my sister and brother in law always favor him when in dispute with his brother). I kept on driving and trying to ignore the commotion back there, my mother was sitting behind me and I could see her sighing and could read her mind.
The little boy kept on his tears show, you know those kind of tears children and even teenagers and some spoiled women have that only last till they get what they want, and my sister started insisting with my older nephew that he should swap places with his brother. I dont think I would mind at all and they are not even my kids but I see the little one getting away with it all the time and he knows very well he does (like your brother knows obviously). So I just got pissed off and I yelled just once: "CAN EVERYBODY JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AND IGNORE HIM!? I WILL EVENTUALLY GIVE UP AND REALISE HE CANT ALWAYS HAVE WHAT HE WANT?! NOW LET ME FOCUS ON DRIVING SO WE CAN GET HOME SAFE PLEASE!!" And I could see my mother nodding and shaping a discrete smile, I could read her thoughts. The truth is he became more and more quiet as everybody went silent and nobody was paying attention to him and after like 5 minutes it was over.

Side note on my mum, she does think my younger nephew is getting spoiled but she doenst want to get in the way, she things its no longer her place and she might be right. But as a mother she did a hell of a job. My father was away most of the time, and she raised us both very well. She never gave up to any kind of "emotional blackmail". Even when me and my sister had disputes, she never favoured any of us, and in case of doubt about who was rigth she would punish both, usually my sister would end up going to the kitchen to help prepare dinner (and thank for that, cause today she cooks perfectly) and I would end up with a massive grocery list to go get. Some corporal punishment could be added if the situation was serious. And it worked pretty damn well with us.

And as far as I am concerned, even studies showed that lack of corporal punishment = fail on child education.

Unfortunately I think my nephew will be like your brother at the age of 14. I don't know how old are you. I think in desperate situations might help if you stand on your mother's side. She probably will accept it if you are old enough and well behaved. Otherwise she might not react well and as I said before it might turn against you.
 

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AverageJoe said:
I was about to post this in the "Rate your parents" thread, but it turned out to be a lengthy post and I would like peoples advice on this.

The biggest problem in our household is that my mum is extremely soft, she will never punish my brother even though he is a complete terror (and I do not mean this in the "*rolling eyes*, oh he's so immature" kind of terror.. I mean the "he's kicking and screaming, throwing things and shouting and swearing at my parents if he doesn't get his way" kind of terror. And he's 14. My mum simply tells him to stop and threatens him by saying she will take away something he wants to use, like his laptop, or TV, and not give it back until he behaves. This is all well and good, except those are empty threats because she will NEVER do that and my brother knows it. He knows he can get away with anything without consequences because he has never been punished before even when he is being a complete asshole.

This should be common sense that you punish children when they do wrong, because if you don't they grow up believing there are no consequences to their actions and they think they can do whatever they like. Right? I've explained this to both my parents clearly multiple times and they won't listen to me, they just tell me "I'm too young to understand" and "you don't know what it's like"... well that's true, but this is something most parents do and it's pretty obvious that their 14 year olds are better behaved than this one... Kid does something wrong > parents punish kid > kid realizes when he does that thing he receives a punishment > kid stops doing that thing in fear of being punished and realizes its wrong.

As it stands my brother is a disobedient selfish brat who sees nothing wrong with shouting and swearing at my mother when she tries to wake him up in the morning, saying bluntly to her face how crappy her meals are and then DEMANDING that she makes something he wants (which she then does) eating like a fat pig everything in the cupboard, complaining when it all goes and then expecting her to buy him more. Occasionally he also calls her a ***** or tells her to "fuck off". When he is at school he is fine and well-behaved, because at school he is actually at risk of being punished.

See, my parents were the same when I was growing up, but luckily I was pretty well behaved and turned out okay. I never remember even once receiving a proper punishment when I did misbehave though, except the occasional "you're grounded!" which my dad would promise would last weeks but ended up lasting about half a day until I would apologize and they let me out. My parents are great but they just don't know how to discipline properly.

How can I crowbar it into my parent's heads that they need to start dishing out punishments for my brother before we get the point where he isn't going to change? Help?
I know exactly what you mean, my brother is the exact same way (he's 14, I'm 19). He gets away with shit that I could only dream about when I was younger, everything from insulting my mother to being insubordinate almost 24/7. Plus my dad prefers him over me (he's the normal brainless teenager, I'm the intellectual with no interest in normal hobbies) so I usually get blamed for anything I do to stop him. I touch him and it's my ass in the fire even if I was preventing him from breaking something or doing something my parents forbade him to do. He can scream and moan until he gets his way simply because my dad will eventually cave.

Unfortunately, the only advice I can give you is get out of the house. I'm off at college right now and apparently since my dad can't yell at me he has finally started disciplining my brother. I doubt that's very useful advice in your case, but that's what seemed to work for me...
 

NoNameMcgee

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Akira Fumi said:
I am smart.
Great reply, sadly I have talked with my parents about this many times as I said in my opening post, and they won't listen to reason, tbh. :( I don't think there's any kind of military school here in Australia and there's no way on earth they would ever send him to one.

I'm kinda liking my new nickname btw :p

Baby Tea said:
AverageJoe said:
Occasionally he also calls her a ***** or tells her to "fuck off".
Ok, this is where, as a father, I'd be beating his ass.
If I ever talked to my mother that way, I'd get my ass kicked. Repeatedly.

Honestly, I can't imagine why your own father would allow anyone, son or not, to talk to his wife that way. And your mother? Why would she think that's acceptable? That that type of back-talk is acceptable, then I've lost hope for any discipline with that kid. That is just disgusting.

Try sitting down with him, and having a serious talk about how he's a douche.
But don't use the word 'douche'.
I hear you! and I would sit him down and talk to him privately but first I'd have to tear him away from the bloody laptop he's constantly using and then actually make him listen to me, which he wouldn't, as he thinks I'm dumb (he's one of those self-entitled nerd teens who think themselves so much above other mortals, when he's really just immature and has no idea how much he doesn't know yet) and honestly wouldn't care about what I have to say. He doesn't even care when he makes my mum cry, he just says she's "being stupid"

to be continued as I reply to more posts...
 

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AverageJoe said:
Yeah but the thing is, whatever punishments I can give him won't last either. I am an adult so I am in charge when my parents go out etc, but if I do punish him somehow he's just going to go crying to mummy and she'll redeem whatever I've done saying it was unfair or whatever (I can just see it now) and it's not like I would hurt him or something (though I get the urge sometimes, that's for sure)
If you can, make a threat like taking away his laptop, exact said threat, and then take it with you when you leave. Then talk to your parents about how justified it is, and if they're not going to take it off of him, they won't take it off of you after what you've said and what he's done.
 

NoNameMcgee

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Raven said:
It might sound like a joke but Baby Tea is right. There's no excuse for your brothers outright disrepect for your mother. I wouldn't dream of treating my mother like that and I'm sure you feel the same way.

Warn him the next time he says something like that, that you'll teach him the meaning of respect. If he ignores you and still treats your mum like shit, punch him really hard in the face... He isn't made of glass, he will not die from a punch. But he certainly won't forget it anytime soon... You don't have to beat him within an inch of his life or anything but he seems to have left you with no alternative...

You'll need to explain this to your mother too (preferably beforehand). Tell her that you will no longer sit and watch this abuse any longer and that if she or your father aren't willing to properly discipline him then you will be forced to do it yourself for everyone's sake. Do not back down from this position! With any luck someone will intervene and recognise the problems before you have to resort to violence. But i'd doubt it and besides, it'll be satisfying to say the least...
I can't punch him, it's not going to do any good at all in this situation... He's massive for his age, slightly taller than me and 4 times wider! lol. He's not scared of me, and he's not going to cower before me if I punch him in the face, he'll just punch back... So that's really gonna solve nothing in this situation.

Boris Yakinstov said:
AverageJoe said:
Yeah but the thing is, whatever punishments I can give him won't last either. I am an adult so I am in charge when my parents go out etc, but if I do punish him somehow he's just going to go crying to mummy and she'll redeem whatever I've done saying it was unfair or whatever (I can just see it now) and it's not like I would hurt him or something (though I get the urge sometimes, that's for sure)
If you can, make a threat like taking away his laptop, exact said threat, and then take it with you when you leave. Then talk to your parents about how justified it is, and if they're not going to take it off of him, they won't take it off of you after what you've said and what he's done.
Yeah they would, and they have before. I've tried exactly that, actually. They made me give the laptop back to him and he was instead given a 'warning' (which means nothing and he knows it).
 

Mechsoap

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easy, do the worst tihng you can without doing phycical pain, as you meantioned with crowbaring your parents it would be easyer to crowpar his games or computer a little bit