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Billion Backs

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Well, technically speaking, there ARE no consequences for your actions.

The worst thing that can happen is death, and after that there's nothing anyone can do about you.

Some kind of "deep" shit aside, just move out as soon as you can and you will never have to talk or see your relatives again unless you really want to (or out of money... Bwahah). If a relative is an nonredeemable deepshit, just don't bother ever knowing him again - people really should start abandoning this antiquated system of blood loyalty, there's nothing good about it. If you like the person, okay, good. If you don't, don't think you're forced to accept him or her just because of your DNA.

I had a pretty annoying brother, I managed so far.

About punishments, threats don't work. Especially when you're threatening someone who is clearly stronger and better supported then you. So, uh, I really have no good advice here.
 

Squilookle

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Look your mother dead in the eye and tell her if she is not willing to be a proper parent to your brother, than you will have to do it for her. Then whenever you confiscate something off him and your mum tells you that was unfair, tell her that on the contrary, letting your brother grow up without implications of consequences and treating his peers like dirt is the only unfair thing going on around here.

And under NO circumstances do you let anyone make you return his stuff until you think he has actually learned a lesson.
 

Raven's Nest

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AverageJoe said:
I can't punch him, it's not going to do any good at all in this situation... He's massive for his age, slightly taller than me and 4 times wider! lol. He's not scared of me, and he's not going to cower before me if I punch him in the face, he'll just punch back... So that's really gonna solve nothing in this situation.
Well... Fair enough that kinda screws with that whole plan...

Looks like you're either gonna have to leave it or ya know... Kill him?

Just kidding...

Have you considered talking to your grand-parents, uncles other close relatives etc? Maybe your local vicar (if you're that way inclined). Perhaps his teachers at school or at least someone he might pay attention to?

At the end of the day, this kind of behaviour shouldn't go unchecked and if your parent's aren't willing to see sense from you then you need to speak to someone they will listen to. Dropping by your local police station might not be such a bad start. Or alternatively a counselling service as they may be able to help you better than random people from the internet...
 

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I'm in the same position, except my brother's 11 and I'm 15. Crap, that child is evil. Punish him, don't hit him, do something creative, that won't leave a mark but will hurt far more. Or get some belts and duct tape and tie him to a door or something, no really, try it!
 

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HG131 said:
Boris Yakinstov said:
AverageJoe said:
Yeah but the thing is, whatever punishments I can give him won't last either. I am an adult so I am in charge when my parents go out etc, but if I do punish him somehow he's just going to go crying to mummy and she'll redeem whatever I've done saying it was unfair or whatever (I can just see it now) and it's not like I would hurt him or something (though I get the urge sometimes, that's for sure)
If you can, make a threat like taking away his laptop, exact said threat, and then take it with you when you leave. Then talk to your parents about how justified it is, and if they're not going to take it off of him, they won't take it off of you after what you've said and what he's done.
I still like my idea with the laptop better.
Unless you do both- wait, then you just end up with a stolen laptop with illegal stuff on it. So then you smash it.
 

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**Sorry if there is a double post? Browser crapped out as I was posting, so reposting to be sure**

Okay, so there are some good suggestions here and, obviously, some sarcastic and bad ones, but I think a few people here are right.
You are going to have to discipline yourself, but outright violence may not be the key. Even if you don't mind violence and it's satisfying or something, it can get you, or worse, your parents in trouble with the police. Today's society is overprotective of children (rightly so, there are a lot of truly abusive parents out there) so physical discipline is not necessarily the best answer. In no way do you want police involvement in this, it would only make things worse.

I like the idea of telling your parents first. Not like, 'Hey, I think I'm going to start trying to fix your demon child', but like some others said...wait until after your brother acts like a little shit, then tell your mom you won't stand for it much longer. This will key her off, but won't put you in any direct confrontation yet.

Then, next time he does something you dislike, tell him if he doesn't stop he's going to pay for it. Try sitting him down first and talking it out. He won't believe you. That's fine. You gave him a chance.

Then, you take something of his. Something valuable. And don't give it back. Period. Sell it or get rid of it somehow. He'll demand to know WHERE THE FUCK YOU PUT IT but you have to be stonefaced. Let him know that you are the one responsible through your expression, but never admit to it with words. If he tries to get physical feel free to retaliate. This will tell him you mean business. That when you take something, you don't just give up when he says he's sorry.
Reinforce the idea though, that if he doesn't straiten up his act, more bad things might happen. Start referring to it as Karma or sin or something. "You must have some bad Karma."

Next time he does something bad, destroy something of his, and leave it for him to find.
Obviously with all this you want to start fairly simple and work your way up. The first thing can be something more important because it shows you mean business, but from then on you want it to slowly ramp up until he's afraid of losing something REALLY big, like his laptop or 360 or whatever. It doesn't have to be a physical object either. You can mess with programs and stuff on his computer, or sabotage the TV or get him kicked out of groups/events or whatever.

Again, don't admit to it verbally. And make sure he doesn't hide any cameras in his room to catch you. Never give up, never break down, even if by whatever means he beats the crap out of you or gets you in trouble. If your parents just buy him new stuff, don't worry, it's just more fuel for the fire. It's their own fault for giving in to his desires, and maybe eventually they'll get tired of shelling out cash for his screaming and learn to buck up too.

WHILE all of this is happening, VERY IMPORTANT - You need to encourage good stuff as well as discourage bad stuff. Replace the negative energy with positive. Invite him out to a movie or lunch or icecream...go toss a frisbee or go fishing or something. Find something you can do together. Be sincere and try your damn hardest to find something he'll do with you where you can have a fun time, just the two of you. When you're out, he follows your rules, but you're fun and casual and kind, so it's alright. Show him that being a decent human being is worth the trouble. It might take a while to build up to this point, or it may never happen...I'm no psychologist, I've never been through this, I'm just thinking through what I would do in your situation. Essentially it's like training a dog, not to sound insulting. All creatures respond to negative/positive reinforcement, especially if you really put your mind to it. When you say no, you MEAN no. When you laugh and pat them on the back, you feel genuine appreciation for them. That may be the hardest thing, feeling genuine happiness towards him, but trust me when I say it's extremely important that you do.

Those are my suggestions. I really hope you find something that works for your situation! Remember, if nothing else, real life will eventually slap him in the face, it just may take time.
If you happen to be a more spiritually inclined person, or at least pretty open-minded, I'd happily recommend some books that might help you understand what's going on. You strike me as someone who is intelligent and more in touch with reality than those around you.
 

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yeah this is why there are reason to hit your kids the problem is one person beats his kid to an inch of death and it becomes wrong to touch them then

How do you teach a dog to behave with positive and negative reinforcement

The same thing applys to kids

the worst thing is that kids know they can get away with it since there threats always hold more weight than that of the parents

living in australia where we have high school which is age 13-18 generally the yr 7's when they got to the school decided that they would try make a name for themselves by delibritly bumping and knocking and hitting the 18 yr olds since if we done anything back we'd get done for assault

this was fine till one idiot missed when he went to punch me in the side of the head for telling him to piss off after he bumped into me and hit my GF at the time

lets just say that they stayed away after that(and i had a defense for my actions)
 

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I'm not a big fan of corporal punishment, but in the case of assholes, I'm willing to make an exception. If your parents aren't willing to step up, I guess it's your job.
Then again, I'm not an expert, so you should probably disregard my advice...
 

Mechsoap

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SteelStallion said:
Guys, really, he's 14. He's going through puberty; creaky voiced, mood swings and wondering why he suddenly wants to hump everything in sight.

Just give him time, let his hormones straighten out. People change a lot during and after puberty.
when i was 14 i dident have any of these proplems infact, i rather not make my parents sad for what theyr doing, and i did not let my anger go over others
 

MattRooney06

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:S it depends....does he have any mental problems?

cause my brother has adhd (or whatever) and if you punish him in the wrong way(even when hes being a major dick)it has a really bad effect
 

Mechsoap

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SteelStallion said:
Mechsoap said:
SteelStallion said:
Guys, really, he's 14. He's going through puberty; creaky voiced, mood swings and wondering why he suddenly wants to hump everything in sight.

Just give him time, let his hormones straighten out. People change a lot during and after puberty.
when i was 14 i dident have any of these proplems infact, i rather not make my parents sad for what theyr doing, and i did not let my anger go over others
i never saw it as a reason to act as a jerk becouse my voice got dark and i got tall, just dont bother people with it
 

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The Lizard of Odd said:
Next time he does something bad, destroy something of his, and leave it for him to find.
Obviously with all this you want to start fairly simple and work your way up. The first thing can be something more important because it shows you mean business, but from then on you want it to slowly ramp up until he's afraid of losing something REALLY big, like his laptop or 360 or whatever. It doesn't have to be a physical object either. You can mess with programs and stuff on his computer, or sabotage the TV or get him kicked out of groups/events or whatever.

Again, don't admit to it verbally. And make sure he doesn't hide any cameras in his room to catch you. Never give up, never break down, even if by whatever means he beats the crap out of you or gets you in trouble. If your parents just buy him new stuff, don't worry, it's just more fuel for the fire. It's their own fault for giving in to his desires, and maybe eventually they'll get tired of shelling out cash for his screaming and learn to buck up too.
In my experience, this doesn't work, because then he starts destroying things back, and it gets messy fast
 

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AverageJoe said:
I was about to post this in the "Rate your parents" thread, but it turned out to be a lengthy post and I would like peoples advice on this.

The biggest problem in our household is that my mum is extremely soft, she will never punish my brother even though he is a complete terror (and I do not mean this in the "*rolling eyes*, oh he's so immature" kind of terror.. I mean the "he's kicking and screaming, throwing things and shouting and swearing at my parents if he doesn't get his way" kind of terror. And he's 14. My mum simply tells him to stop and threatens him by saying she will take away something he wants to use, like his laptop, or TV, and not give it back until he behaves. This is all well and good, except those are empty threats because she will NEVER do that and my brother knows it. He knows he can get away with anything without consequences because he has never been punished before even when he is being a complete asshole.

This should be common sense that you punish children when they do wrong, because if you don't they grow up believing there are no consequences to their actions and they think they can do whatever they like. Right? I've explained this to both my parents clearly multiple times and they won't listen to me, they just tell me "I'm too young to understand" and "you don't know what it's like"... well that's true, but this is something most parents do and it's pretty obvious that their 14 year olds are better behaved than this one... Kid does something wrong > parents punish kid > kid realizes when he does that thing he receives a punishment > kid stops doing that thing in fear of being punished and realizes its wrong.

As it stands my brother is a disobedient selfish brat who sees nothing wrong with shouting and swearing at my mother when she tries to wake him up in the morning, saying bluntly to her face how crappy her meals are and then DEMANDING that she makes something he wants (which she then does) eating like a fat pig everything in the cupboard, complaining when it all goes and then expecting her to buy him more. Occasionally he also calls her a ***** or tells her to "fuck off". When he is at school he is fine and well-behaved, because at school he is actually at risk of being punished.

See, my parents were the same when I was growing up, but luckily I was pretty well behaved and turned out okay. I never remember even once receiving a proper punishment when I did misbehave though, except the occasional "you're grounded!" which my dad would promise would last weeks but ended up lasting about half a day until I would apologize and they let me out. My parents are great but they just don't know how to discipline properly.

How can I crowbar it into my parent's heads that they need to start dishing out punishments for my brother before we get the point where he isn't going to change? Help?
Good god, past Dan? Is that you?

I have a 15 year old brother who is the same way, when he pisses me off, I just clock him on the head :) It's fun
 

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I'm gonna tell this to you straight, so you're prepared, AverageJoe. The only real option you have is to talk to your mom and/or dad and try your best to open their eyes. Like you said, your younger brother can simply run to the complacent parent if you punish him, and unless you're really willing to go over the line to punish him, you can't do anything.

If that doesn't work, then all I can say is brace yourself for the long haul. I'm in a similar situation, only with reversed ages - my sister is older than me by about five years (she's in her late 20s) and, despite living with me and our mother, she runs the place. She's gotten...a little better with age, yes, but she can be as selfish, loud and obnoxious as any bratty, spoiled teenager. After fifteen or so years of failed attempts, Mom's just given up on disciplining her, and being the younger sibling I have no power whatsoever, so my sister gets to be as much of a ***** as she wants to be.

So, in summation: get the parents to get the kid back on track (with heartfelt but calm words; getting emotional and desperate will only hurt your case), and if that doesn't work, start making plans to move out and leave your parents with their mess. I know it sounds kinda cold, but take it from my experience - age and parental discipline are the only thing that'll stop a terror like him in your situation, and even then there's no guarantees.
 

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mugetsu37 said:
lol i love u man thats awsome

THis is why i think parents should be able to beat kids, i dont mean with a stick or something hard but good freaking smack in the face would suffice.

anyway i feel for u average joe, my parents never listen to me EVER. my advice? ummmm... well try and get ur hands on a family therapist. since your parents wont listen to you maybe they'll listen to a professional. hopefully u got a job to pay him/her
 

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AverageJoe said:
He doesn't even care when he makes my mum cry, he just says she's "being stupid"
Ask your parents why the hell they let him run riot and be so disrespectful. Then tell him he better start being more respectful. Then when he doesn't you give him a slap to the face.

Although the best way would be to convince your parents to actually act on their punishments. That'd be a start.
 

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One of my family members use to be kind of violent and have outbursts like you are describing (yelling, cursing, etc) when he was younger. His parents let him get away with whatever he wanted for the longest time. Eventually he did something bad enough to force them to see he had a problem. At that point they sought out some help because they knew they weren't good as discipline, and they got it taken care of. Sadly, I do not remember exactly what they did to discipline him. Now he is funny, friendly and a pretty awesome person.

For this to work, your parents really have to be on the right page. If they won't listen to your advice, maybe they will listen to someone else. Maybe if a fellow parent or guidance counselor or someone like that brought it up, they might listen. However, if they're in denial then they may just get offended and right it off.
 

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Warn him to stop, when he doesn't wipe his laptop's system. Take his computer's hard drive.

If all else fails. wait until he's gone and yopu have an evening with him alone. Take EVERYTHING out of his room except a mattress, put a good dead bolt on the outside of his door, trick him into going in and LOCK him in. When he complains, tell him that you're getting him ready for prison but you couldn't find a butt raper roomie... THIS time.

My uncle pulled this on one of my other cousins ( not one of his kids) He was a cop too so it helped alot.

PS also make sure the window is secured from the outside. But don't leave the house or you'll be introuble. Just ignore him ALL night or tape a LONG lecture and have it playing iutside the door all night