Silent Hill 2 Remake

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I don't have a problem with a woman protagonist. I have a problem with the modern "strong woman" protagonist.
No: in that instance, you had a problem with the game portraying something that's historically accurate, minus perhaps the use of a katana instead of naginata/tanto. You were categorically not objecting to a modern trend imposed on a historical setting. You wanted the developers to ignore a particular facet of the true historical setting because it involved a woman.

In addition, your specific objections to the VA at the time weren't about defunding the police or supporting Harris/Walz. Your objection at the time was supported solely by a text snippet showing that she's queer, she's genderfluid, and she donated to the Trevor Project (a suicide prevention charity). That's what you brought up as objectionable. It was fucking rancid.
 
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Sphere Hunter is not covering Silent Hill 2 Remake. Her loss, and I am not surprised. She's free to do as she pleases, but I do find this hypocritical considering she loves the Dead Space Remake, and had no issues with the game; praising it under the sun like crazy. Especially the RE Remakes.


 
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No: in that instance, you had a problem with the game portraying something that's historically accurate, minus perhaps the use of a katana instead of naginata/tanto. You were categorically not objecting to a modern trend imposed on a historical setting. You wanted the developers to ignore a particular facet of the true historical setting because it involved a woman.

In addition, your specific objections to the VA at the time weren't about defunding the police or supporting Harris/Walz. Your objection at the time was supported solely by a text snippet showing that she's queer, she's genderfluid, and she donated to the Trevor Project (a suicide prevention charity). That's what you brought up as objectionable. It was fucking rancid.
Lies. I don't wanna keep talking about it with you. Like I said, I read the room.
 

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Nope, It's the truth and you're the one that's only been lying, using partial truths, projecting, and hiding behind excuses. Don't ask me because you already know the answer and can't read the roof for shit.
 

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Nope, It's the truth and you're the one that's only been lying, using partial truths, projecting, and hiding behind excuses. Don't ask me because you already know the answer and can't read the roof for shit.
Why are you speaking? You already said that you won't respond anymore, so what point is there in me speaking with a brick wall?
 

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Lies. I don't wanna keep talking about it with you. Like I said, I read the room.
What's a lie, exactly? What I said there is demonstrably true.

You did post a snippet of text saying the VA is queer, genderfluid, and donates to the Trevor Project, as reason to object to her. Here is the post.

You did object to characteristics which are historically accurate, such as Sengoku or Edo period women warriors alongside Samurai and wearing armour. Here is the post.

You never talked with me about it to begin with (though you did smear people like me, when you implied non-hetero people are likely only hired for "political reasons"). You're not obligated to talk to me. But if you want to repeat this shite, you can expect to be called out on it.
 
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Is this how it's gonna be? BrawlMan brings the conversation some place else and I have to start again?

What's a lie, exactly? What I said there is demonstrably true.

You did post a snippet of text saying the VA is queer, genderfluid, and donates to the Trevor Project, as reason to object to her. Here is the post.
It's right below the X hyperlink of the weird Harris/Walz endorsement.

You did object to characteristics which are historically accurate, such as Sengoku or Edo period women warriors alongside Samurai and wearing armour. Here is the post.
These women would have been few and far between and alongside or behind male soldiers, often as a last line of defense (What point is there in letting them all die with the castle, before putting up a fight?), not wandering the countryside alone, drawing attention in every village and town as they reject the gender norms and patriarchy, incensing and thereby putting themselves in danger.

"From the late Edo period, the status of women declined. In the 17th century, the 'Onna Daigaku', or 'Learning for Women', by Confucianist author Kaibara Ekken, spelled out expectations for Japanese women, stating that 'such is the stupidity of her character that it is incumbent on her, in every particular, to distrust herself and to obey her husband'."[10]

But they take the exceptions from history and exaggerate them for their smug vision of women who dress and fight just like men. There's an interesting version of this character that the developers don't want to write.

You never talked with me about it to begin with (though you did smear people like me, when you implied non-hetero people are likely only hired for "political reasons").
I meant that I don't wanna speak about it anymore with any of you. You collectively have a reputation.
 
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Back to Silent Hill at hand...


Reception is high on Steam.





True words, Tsuboyama.
 
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Is this how it's gonna be? BrawlMan brings the conversation some place else and I have to start again?
I don't much care how or where it starts/restarts; if someone says something wrong or insulting I'm going to object.

It's right below the X hyperlink of the weird Harris/Walz endorsement.
OK, so what's the relevance of them being queer or donating to the Trevor Project? Why is that relevant to your case that this person was not hired on merit?

These women would have been few and far between and alongside or behind male soldiers, often as a last line of defense (What point is there in letting them all die with the castle, before putting up a fight?), not wandering the countryside alone, drawing attention in every village and town as they reject the gender norms and patriarchy, incensing and thereby putting themselves in danger.

"From the late Edo period, the status of women declined. In the 17th century, the 'Onna Daigaku', or 'Learning for Women', by Confucianist author Kaibara Ekken, spelled out expectations for Japanese women, stating that 'such is the stupidity of her character that it is incumbent on her, in every particular, to distrust herself and to obey her husband'."[10]

But they take the exceptions from history and exaggerate them for their smug vision of women who dress and fight just like men. There's an interesting version of this character that the developers don't want to write.
You first specifically objected to her using Samurai weaponry or armour.

Samurai themselves wouldn't have been wandering the countryside and solo-ing towns either. Yet Ghost of Tsushima featured a Samurai pushed out of his traditional role, and doing so out of necessity and desperation. That's the point of the series: he would 100% be an enormous exception to the Samurai ideal and tradition, and that's a major theme of the game. Are you equally incensed at Jin Sakai stepping outside of his traditionally-mandated role?

Also, your own source says "the late Edo period". This game doesn't take place in the late Edo period. It takes place in the late Sengoku/very early Edo period, when onna-musha and buheisha were more characteristic. (Also, Onna Daigaku is 18th Century, not 17th).

I meant that I don't wanna speak about it anymore with any of you. You collectively have a reputation.
Nobody is making you. Feel free to not. But if you repeat historical inaccuracies or imply denigrating things about groups of people, then I'm going to call it out.

Anywho. Happy to stop this now if you are so the thread can go back so SH2.
 
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Samurai themselves wouldn't have been wandering the countryside and solo-ing towns either. Yet Ghost of Tsushima featured a Samurai pushed out of his traditional role, and doing so out of necessity and desperation. That's the point of the series: he would 100% be an enormous exception to the Samurai ideal and tradition, and that's a major theme of the game. Are you equally incensed at Jin Sakai stepping outside of his traditionally-mandated role?
Nor would they have a body count in the hundreds. If you want to talk about illogical... But let's still scream at a fictional woman doing what a fictional man equally wouldn't be able to do in real-life.
 

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I pirated it because I really, really don't want Konami to make any money off of me. I'll check it out by the weekend.
 
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OK, so what's the relevance of them being queer or donating to the Trevor Project? Why is that relevant to your case that this person was not hired on merit?
Queer and everything under the sun. Get it right so that she doesn't have to tell it again. These professionals chum up to like-minded leftists, Sony Computer Entertainment being very openly so (in terms of identity, not in terms of money and workers, which is why she can support Harris/Walz) after building up their operations in California.

You first specifically objected to her using Samurai weaponry or armour.

Samurai themselves wouldn't have been wandering the countryside and solo-ing towns either. Yet Ghost of Tsushima featured a Samurai pushed out of his traditional role, and doing so out of necessity and desperation. That's the point of the series: he would 100% be an enormous exception to the Samurai ideal and tradition, and that's a major theme of the game. Are you equally incensed at Jin Sakai stepping outside of his traditionally-mandated role?

Also, your own source says "the late Edo period". This game doesn't take place in the late Edo period. It takes place in the late Sengoku/very early Edo period, when onna-musha and buheisha were more characteristic. (Also, Onna Daigaku is 18th Century, not 17th).
I didn't play Ghost of Tsushima. Have a PS4, had it when the game was still exclusive, but looks too much like a Ubisoft game, has the tiresome over-the-shoulder camera and generic stealth. It's on my Steam wishlist, but I'm waiting for a deep discount. Is the protagonist a ronin? Ronin were common.

Those late Edo beliefs came from sexism passed down.
 

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Queer and everything under the sun. Get it right so that she doesn't have to tell it again.
If you find someone being queer as a reason to object to their involvement in a project, then it doesn't matter how you characterise it, I wasn't lying.

I didn't play Ghost of Tsushima. Have a PS4, had it when the game was still exclusive, but looks too much like a Ubisoft game, has the tiresome over-the-shoulder camera and generic stealth. It's on my Steam wishlist, but I'm waiting for a deep discount. Is the protagonist a ronin? Ronin were common.
No, he's a vassal to a Lord, as well as a Lord in his own right following the death of his uncle.

This isn't terribly relevant, though; even Ronin would not be doing anything like what Jin Sakai does during this game, except in extreme outlying situations. Because it's fiction.

Those late Edo beliefs came from sexism passed down.
So what? Fact remains that in the period in which the game is actually set, well over a century before onna daigaku was published, warrior women existed and used many of the same armours and weaponry as Samurai. That's really all that's relevant to a discussion about the accuracy of those elements.
 
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In short, it seems like UE5 in general struggles with upscaling. A user friendly jack of all trades engine will certainly have its limits I suppose.

Also in the comments it sounded like there may be a filter to change how the cinematics look; ie more dreamlike like the original.
 
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