Six-Year-Old Upset By Lack of Female Friendly Avengers Toys

[Lightknight]

There would be no way to carry a Black Widow movie.

It'd basically just be a spy movie.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

There would be no way to carry a Black Widow movie.

It'd basically just be a spy movie.

A weird one.

Where would anyone put it?

The trappings of Marvel and the inability to keep it serious and dark (Given the ways they've gone with most of the comic book movies to date) would probably make it campy and tongue in cheek. From preference, I can say I probably wouldn't be interested in a movie like that.

And given the Marvel universe, people would be wanting to see superpowers go off here and there... nanites aside, Natasha is like a semi amped up Jason Bourne.

Do you make it sexualized? Marvel would probably disagree. Would you play it for the Lulz, you'll probably get another Green Lantern.

You'll have a spy movie where we're supposed to believe this character is in mortal danger and the world depends only on her shoulders... while full well knowing she pals around with an Unstoppable Gamma powered Orge, A man in the most advanced weapon to date, A Super Soldier who is probably one of the best fighters alive, and a God. And if she doesn't pal around with them, they are there in the world. So... you know, give them a call.

 

[SonicWaffle]

People are people. No one deserves to be treated like shit, but true equality means, everyone gets treated like shit. Equality means you no longer get special interest groups, or special rights, equality means no chivalry, equality means neither sex is subordinate, but that neither sex gets any sort of courtesy either.

Equality means you no longer need those things. So yes, in way, you're right; if everyone were equal those things would cease to exist on any meaninful level.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Honestly? I wish they would stop trying to put female characters in comic books as anything but a plot device altogether, and I'm a girl. No, it's not because "omg they get in the way of my hot boys", it's that they can't create any character without a Y chromosome and not absolutely ruin her. I mean, seriously, male superheroes are cool, but female superheroes?

Some work, some don't. I liked Star Spangled-Kid, who later became Stargirl or Starwoman or whatever, in the JSA revival. She had more going for her than huge boobs, at least.

One thing I've always been annoyed by is the DC editorial decision to push the "big three" idea; the Holy Trinity of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. I'm not against having a female character as one of the big stars of the universe, I just resent it being WW because it feels so token. Batman, incredibly popular, cool character. Superman, ditto. Wonder Woman...well, "we needed a girl". She's fairly boring, has a powerset that isn't particularly interesting, and it just feels as if she's always listed with the other two because tits. Have her in her own series, have her in the JLA, use her to totally undermine Superman's character by having them hook up, whatever. Just stop telling us she's one of the most important DC characters just because she's the most recognisable female. If it matters that much that your Power Trio have gender representation, try writing a cool and interesting female superhero who deserves the recognition instead.

As someone who works for one of the largest toy store chains in the UK, i can confidently say the Black widow figure is extremely rare, we have been selling the merchandise now for just over a year and only recently have we received the figured linked on Amazon and in limited quantity,

Hawkeye (who also isn't on the majority of the merchandising) has been in stock fairly consistently (about the same as Loki) along with his bow.

Also she isn't available in the larger figure series which is objectively better and only reserved for Ironman, The Hulk, Thor and Captain America.

Girls tastes are changing the majority hate Barbie these days. We sell way more Monster High in comparison and both boys and girls have been requesting the figure in question to complete there avengers sets.

No, shutupshutupshutup, you're ruining the wailing and gnashing of teeth. This kid's parents are clearly just using her to push their agenda; nobody with a vagina is interested in non-pink toys. That would be weird.

 

[Lightknight]

There would be no way to carry a Black Widow movie.

It'd basically just be a spy movie.

A weird one.

Where would anyone put it?

The trappings of Marvel and the inability to keep it serious and dark (Given the ways they've gone with most of the comic book movies to date) would probably make it campy and tongue in cheek. From preference, I can say I probably wouldn't be interested in a movie like that.

And given the Marvel universe, people would be wanting to see superpowers go off here and there... nanites aside, Natasha is like a semi amped up Jason Bourne.

Do you make it sexualized? Marvel would probably disagree. Would you play it for the Lulz, you'll probably get another Green Lantern.

You'll have a spy movie where we're supposed to believe this character is in mortal danger and the world depends only on her shoulders... while full well knowing she pals around with an Unstoppable Gamma powered Orge, A man in the most advanced weapon to date, A Super Soldier who is probably one of the best fighters alive, and a God. And if she doesn't pal around with them, they are there in the world. So... you know, give them a call.

I mean, she's basically a Batman/Batgirl analogue with a strong side of international spy. It could be a good movie. But she's likely have to be paired with another hero like Hawkeye to carry the story. She's not a bad character, you just have to find the right writers/directors.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I mean, she's basically a Batman/Batgirl analogue with a strong side of international spy. It could be a good movie. But she's likely have to be paired with another hero like Hawkeye to carry the story. She's not a bad character, you just have to find the right writers/directors.

Don't get me wrong. I actually like Black Widow a lot.

But given what people are expecting from Comic Book Movies nowadays, I doubt it would sell.

 

[vid87]

Despite a lot of agreeing and disagreeing with the above, I can only focus on two things:

-There needs to be a massive study and overhaul on marketing demographics - I'm really curious about how many women, young and old, saw Avengers (preferably for reasons other than "because Loki") and like comics, games, etc., not just for the sake of effective marketing but because I'm really in the dark about what modern women like.

-I wonder if Scarlet Witch is going to get left behind too. Considering they're fighting Thanos, I imagine reality manipulation would be crucial to success.

 

[hermes]

Then there is the issue that Black Widow and (up to a point) Hawkeye are the underdogs of the team.

Watch that scene where the camera cycles around the team as they prepare to battle (you know, they one they use for every commercial) and we got: Flying brightly colored armor/robot that shoots missiles and lasers, Super soldier with humongous shield that uses the american flag as a suit, Armored literal god with a big storms-creating hammer and a cape, Naked green guy that shouts a lot and is as muscular and big as any three other characters put together and... a guy with military gear and an Olympic grade bow and a girl with a suit tighter than her own skin and two 9mm guns that are smaller than her hands (seriously, even some Beretta would look more impressive than those toys).

Its not like the female member was Ms Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Spider Woman or any other member with some cool power...

 

[hermes]

-I wonder if Scarlet Witch is going to get left behind too. Considering they're fighting Thanos, I imagine reality manipulation would be crucial to success.

Yes, most likely.

When FOX bought the rights to the X-Men, they also acquired the rights to every mutant character in the Marvel universe. Because of that, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (Magneto's sons) are likely off the table; despite the fact Whedon has expressed interest in using them.

 

[vid87]

-I wonder if Scarlet Witch is going to get left behind too. Considering they're fighting Thanos, I imagine reality manipulation would be crucial to success.

Yes, most likely.

When FOX bought the rights to the X-Men, they also acquired the rights to every mutant character in the Marvel universe. Because of that, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (Magneto's sons) are likely off the table; despite the fact Whedon has expressed interest in using them.

I was under the impression that not only was that indeed happening, but the big deal was that Quicksilver was showing up in BOTH Avengers 2 and Days of Future Past. I think the agreement was that Marvel could use them as long as there's no mention of mutants or Magneto.

http://www.themarysue.com/quicksilver-avengers-x-men-crossover/

 

[Lightknight]

Despite a lot of agreeing and disagreeing with the above, I can only focus on two things:

-There needs to be a massive study and overhaul on marketing demographics - I'm really curious about how many women, young and old, saw Avengers (preferably for reasons other than "because Loki") and like comics, games, etc., not just for the sake of effective marketing but because I'm really in the dark about what modern women like.

-I wonder if Scarlet Witch is going to get left behind too. Considering they're fighting Thanos, I imagine reality manipulation would be crucial to success.

It's really rather simple.

1. Create an action figure for all characters in the movie.
2. See which one sells more.

Seeing as the female characters ARE made but are consistently the cheaper to buy in their set of heroes (than their male counterparts), it is easy to deduce that they are the least popular. What's more is that female fans of the series would most commonly rather play with Iron Man than a lesser known/weaker character. So female fans does not necessarily mean demand for female characters.