Skryim is outdated

[ZippyDSMlee]

Meh Oblivion/FO3 is outdated as a casual obsessed title and Skyrim will be more of the same.......max out a stat in 10 hours....WTF people...come on.....boycott the POS!!!!

At the very least I hope you can hold more than 8 selections in your quick change slots...... I miss morrowind design emphasis's....you know depth,balance,difficulty things tossed out of casual games these days....

 

[Robert Roberge]

Because Skyrim is popular.

Skyrim is not nessisarily bad (everyone needs to shut up about it till at least a few days after release but they are not going to because People just like to feel superior by defacing something that is popular.)

Bottom line is people are ***** and troll for that exact reason.

 

[Buizel91]

You got to play it early?

*ACHOOOOOOOOOOO!*

Sorry...Allergic to bullshit.

If people had been playing this early, the Escapist would of done a review by now.

 

[Jennifer Darknight]

Honestly, none of that surprises me.

If what you say is true (when I start playing it launch day, I'll see for myself) then really, no harm done. Sure, some of the animations were awkward and the physics weren't perfect, but Oblivion was still a blast for me to play (though I do wish it had the depth of Morrowind), and I sunk many, many days' worth of time into that sucker before my Xbox 360 bricked. And really, I'm more interested in the new gameplay mechanics, customization, and other things that the game promises; if I can get that at the expense of updated physics and some slight animation weirdness, then so be it.

 

[Sandernista]

No, because Bethesda. Apparently I'm here to shatter other people's dreams with my magic wand of valid criticism.

What I'm unclear on is the "it's a reskinned Oblivion" when it's running in a completely different engine. Were all the demonstration videos showing different animations merely elaborate hoaxes, and this forum post from Ein is The Truth? Or are you possibly exaggerating a touch?

I'm not. When I shoot someone with an arrow and he flops to death like his bones just got beamed into space (Yahtzee reference) and then his friend starts running at me, getting caught behind a stone pillar yet keeps on running, I'm not exaggerating.

Iunno, I've always liked ragdolls. They cause hilarious scenarios on occasion.

Except in Dark Souls where they are really sticky for some reason. One of them was covering a hole so I thought the ground was solid...didn't end well for me.

Edit: Watched the video. The first Dragon fight was...sad. First a wolf comes up and attacks him randomly (then gets killed by the Dragon), the Dragon's fire does shit damage, and some dude randomly appears out of nowhere and gets him killed because he wanted to start a quest or something.

(Notice he was playing on very easy)

OT: I've watched tons of streams. I've pre-ordered the game and have paid it off. Can't wait for friday.

 

[That New Guy]

It was over-hyped in my opinion, that being said, i fall in love with the land and it seems there is a lot more variety over the landscape then oblivion had. Oblivion was great but it was hard to 100% it when every thing was just a copy and paste. I think i will enjoy this game alot.

The physics engine is of course going to fall short of "real life" Remember back to the most impressive engine ever created for its time. The Quake engine, used in games from Half Life to DotA, MoH, and CoD as well as hundreds of other games. yet its still buggy as all hell, didnt stop those games from being amazing.

Finally people seem to have been expecting AI that can challenge human thought, sorry but this is not going to happen in the near future.

Bethesda did hype this to huge proportions, and from what you have said it doesn't meet the expectations it has created. this is a pretty big mistake since it makes people not trust bethesda in the future. you want to hype a game up without making it appear as if you were lying (even though they weren't, its just a matter of coders perspective to players perspective)

That said, i dont think there is anything in the world that will stop me enjoying this game. Ill tell you what i personally think when i actually play it.

Regards,

 

[Cody Larson]

As with most relationships, people tend to ignore the bad things and focus on the good things. Someone who loves the Elder Scrolls franchise will always ignore the bugs and other bad bits and enjoy the game in a whole different way. I'm not phased by any of the negative comments(I'm not saying the OP is being entirely negative) and will most definitely be buying Skyrim and playing it for hours on end.


EDIT: However, it would be great if they did spruce up the old bits from their past games instead of copy/pasting or painting over their previous work.

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

Played it yesterday for a few hours since a buddy of mine got it (legally) early on PS3.
Yes, it looks nice, but why does everything else feel the same? The same weightless physics, the same horrible character animations (not yourself, 3rd person looks fine, it's the NPCs that are still shit), the same awkward standstill conversations (though now not as zoomed in, and sometimes they even move their hands), the same absolutely idiotic AI...

Now, I had some fun with Oblivion, it's a good game, especially for its time, but why is the ONLY damn thing they've improved over the years the graphics? They've had so much time, yet most of the stuff we get is directly ported over from Oblivion. Worst was when two characters were standing in front of each other, completely motionless (save for their faces), shouting at the top of their lungs something like 'OH MY GOD A DRAGON WTF WTF WTF'. I mean, shit. Another thing was when a character runs for his life (again, with the exact same character animations of people running in Oblivion), then when he's reached his waypoint he turns around to meet you super damn slowly like everything is alright.

It's like they took all the (valid) criticism they got with Oblivion (a good game, but by far not perfect) and just decided to disregard EVERYTHING.

Oh well, it'll still be a nice walk-in-the-mountains simulator.

EDIT: before I get even more fire. It's not that I don't enjoy this game. I love walking in the mountains. It's just that it could've been better and they could've done something with the critique they got last time.

EDIT #2: Naturally, everyone assumes I am 'trolling'. Problem is, I really have played the game. How? It was released here yesterday. http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=skyrim+netherlands&meta=

It is good to know that there were visible flaws that you were able to share to us; i personally thank you for some arguments you made, but you should add more elements and details in term of bugs and stuff; i'd rather wait for a PC version and then have mods and patches.

ps: i'd really like to enter into gaming journalism after i'm done with my license in anthropology...

 

[00slash00]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game? even if you were trolling (which i dont think you are), why would people get upset over the fact that you didnt enjoy a video game. frankly, you SHOULD go into a game with low expectations. this game had so much hype behind it that it would have been very hard to meet those expectations so it isnt surprising. i do expect most of your issues to be fixed with patching (or at least modding) but all things considered, i wouldnt mind if it was just a prettier version of oblivion. i dont think more of the same is always a bad thing, if its more of something you really enjoyed

 

[Adultratedhydra]

Not entirely sure as to the purpose of this thread.

Effectively your saying that while the game is good, the core mechanics are bad?

Your suggesting the next Elder scrolls be set in the future and anduin is the codename of a terrorist that some SEAL team has to go fight before he sets off a series of nukes?

Call of the scrolls: Elder duty?

Dont fix what aint broke. Animations never bothered me in oblivion, morrowind, daggerfall and wont bother me now.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Let's take those bullet points in a less qq-y direction for a bit; how would you improve them both?

1) Use Euphoria. It's such a cheap shot but it's true. The tech no make everything look better and feel better is out there, so why not use it?

2) The conversations could at least have a bit of emotion to them. No, I'm not just talking voice acting. Played Rage? Awful game. But amazing character animations and facial expressions. Though Rage pushed it a bit too far (the emotions seemed exaggerated, they went overboard), at least it felt like someone is actually talking to you and is not a robot spouting lines. That would be an improvement. Also not being glued to the floor when being talk to would work, but you'd get in trouble when picking your reply. Maybe implement it so that you can't reply if you walk away from them.

1. Do you know how difficult it would be to build this game using the Euphoria engine? Think of this logically for a second. The Euphoria engine works for muscle reaction. Now, how the hell do you create enemies like orbs, ghosts, and the muscle work for dragons. They would literally have to rebuild the game using Euphoria for every type of enemy. That would take much longer to create. There's a reason not everyone uses Euphoria. It's used specifically for human reactions. It would either be that or just use Euphoria on just the human characters and not every other monster. Which would honestly be a massive cop out.

2. This I can agree with but it's not game breaking from the videos we've all seen Just seems a bit nit picky.

 

[Sk1ver]

If Skyrim is Oblivion with a new story and slightly better graphics I will be more than happy. With a new map to explore I will be ecstatic. Anything above this is a bonus.

 

[Mad World]

Kind of a disappointment, but I'm not surprised; developers mainly focus on graphics.

You should post this on the elderscrolls forums. That would be interesting!

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

 

[spartan231490]

They did do things with the criticisms of the last game, just not your criticisms of the last game. For everyone who disliked combat in oblivion, someone else liked it. They made some small changes, to try to win over those who disliked it, but they were smart enough to stick with what worked enough to not piss off those who enjoyed it. now, I haven't played the game, so I can't definitively argue against your other points, but from everything I saw in the gameplay trailers, they improved on the non-player character aesthetics, they improved on the conversation, they improved on everything.

The thing that you seem to not understand, is that you don't have to completely redo something, in order to improve on it. Oblivion was a huge success, why would they radically change everything into a completely new system that would be received unpredictably by fans. They made minor changes to everything, trying to make a very very good system, just a little bit better. and from everything I have seen, they appeared to be successful. Skyrim did exactly what a successful sequel should do, they didn't just copy-paste the game like CoD, but neither did they just release a completely different game with superficial similarities and call it a sequel like Dino Crisis 3 did. they chose the correct, middle-ground option. To retain the same feel of aesthetics and gameplay, while trying to make everything a little bit better, but not changing it so much as to lose all the things that made oblivion successful.

 

[spartan231490]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

Glad to see someone beat me to making that correction. The OPs points were incredibly vague, poorly argued, and don't really mesh with the gameplay trailers that have been released, not to mention being obviously inflammatory. Also, humans love a good debate, and we love an argument even more.

 

[00slash00]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

well to be clear i wasnt specifically talking about this, but in general. many times i have seen people get pissed off about reviews because a game they were looking forward to didnt get a perfect score

 

[Syzygy23]

You know what... call me an patsy but that's all I really wanted. There's only so much that could be done with mods with Oblivion. I'm just after more of what Oblivion was, but prettier.

It's fine that you're happy with it, hell, I'm not THAT bummed myself. But you gotta admit they could've at least given some stuff an upgrade. Even if it's just removing those horribly silly ragdolls or something. Anything, really. Just not nothing, which they did now.

Silly ragdolls are still better looking than canned animations.

I wasn't expecting perfection, but this still dissapoints me because they were syaing how they developed an entirely new game engine for Skyrim.

 

[DarthSka]

After watching a bunch of vids on the game, I had it in my head that the game would pretty much be what you described. Well, I guess I was right. It especially doesn't help that I didn't even really like Oblivion. Oh well.