Skryim is outdated

[spartan231490]

They did do things with the criticisms of the last game, just not your criticisms of the last game. For everyone who disliked combat in oblivion, someone else liked it. They made some small changes, to try to win over those who disliked it, but they were smart enough to stick with what worked enough to not piss off those who enjoyed it. now, I haven't played the game, so I can't definitively argue against your other points, but from everything I saw in the gameplay trailers, they improved on the non-player character aesthetics, they improved on the conversation, they improved on everything.

The thing that you seem to not understand, is that you don't have to completely redo something, in order to improve on it. Oblivion was a huge success, why would they radically change everything into a completely new system that would be received unpredictably by fans. They made minor changes to everything, trying to make a very very good system, just a little bit better. and from everything I have seen, they appeared to be successful. Skyrim did exactly what a successful sequel should do, they didn't just copy-paste the game like CoD, but neither did they just release a completely different game with superficial similarities and call it a sequel like Dino Crisis 3 did. they chose the correct, middle-ground option. To retain the same feel of aesthetics and gameplay, while trying to make everything a little bit better, but not changing it so much as to lose all the things that made oblivion successful.

 

[spartan231490]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

Glad to see someone beat me to making that correction. The OPs points were incredibly vague, poorly argued, and don't really mesh with the gameplay trailers that have been released, not to mention being obviously inflammatory. Also, humans love a good debate, and we love an argument even more.

 

[00slash00]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

well to be clear i wasnt specifically talking about this, but in general. many times i have seen people get pissed off about reviews because a game they were looking forward to didnt get a perfect score

 

[Syzygy23]

You know what... call me an patsy but that's all I really wanted. There's only so much that could be done with mods with Oblivion. I'm just after more of what Oblivion was, but prettier.

It's fine that you're happy with it, hell, I'm not THAT bummed myself. But you gotta admit they could've at least given some stuff an upgrade. Even if it's just removing those horribly silly ragdolls or something. Anything, really. Just not nothing, which they did now.

Silly ragdolls are still better looking than canned animations.

I wasn't expecting perfection, but this still dissapoints me because they were syaing how they developed an entirely new game engine for Skyrim.

 

[DarthSka]

After watching a bunch of vids on the game, I had it in my head that the game would pretty much be what you described. Well, I guess I was right. It especially doesn't help that I didn't even really like Oblivion. Oh well.

 

[Peteron]

I don't really care. If you don't like it, don't play it. Or make it better.

 

[Sam Plater]

Physicists.....

 

[Dendio]

There was so much hype for this game. 5 threads a day on skyrim. Its about to come out...dont drop the ball now. Like anything give it a try before you condemn it. I personally wont be buying it but that was always my position. I didnt really like oblivion. That said I may get skyrim once the price goes down if the base game ,not necessarily mods, turns out to be amazing .

 

[triggrhappy94]

Eh, honestly those things haven't bothered me too much. I would have liked to see those things fixed, though. Hell, it's Bethseda, they're no where near perfect, but they're still great

 

[Duffeknol]

On topic; I will be picking up my own copy today (and playing tomorrow, fucking Steam), my friend's passed the five hour mark already (fucking PS3)

Yeah, wow, who would've thought someone with some critique on the game would still like it enough to buy it. Shocking right.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

well to be clear i wasnt specifically talking about this, but in general. many times i have seen people get pissed off about reviews because a game they were looking forward to didnt get a perfect score

You could say that about literally every video game ever created. In this thread there's not even scores mentioned or anything like that. It's not even filled with fanboys. It's just OP making a really weak case against a game compared to what we've seen. I would tend to agree with you usually, because fanboys do rage out about that stuff, but The Escapist community seems to have the most tame of fanboys (unlike Destructoid, IGN or Gamespot) who can be reasoned with. This is just a bad original argument being called out as such.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

haha i think its hilarious how defensive people get over different opinions. someone dislikes a game that you love..who cares? does their lack of enjoyment effect your enjoyment of the game?

People aren't because they love the game (which isn't even out bee-tee-dubz). People got mad at the lackluster points made for extremely vague criticism. His points are really just not valid when you take what he says and look to the media released already. People care because they wanted to see some merit in the post and it just wasn't there.

Glad to see someone beat me to making that correction. The OPs points were incredibly vague, poorly argued, and don't really mesh with the gameplay trailers that have been released, not to mention being obviously inflammatory. Also, humans love a good debate, and we love an argument even more.

What makes me shake my head is the fact that OP has stated in this thread that they though their use of the word 'outdated' was short sighted to myself, and been caught mixing around their arguments by other people in this thread.

Now it's really just arguing for the sake of not looking completely wrong. I'd suggest he change the thread title to "What I didn't enjoy about Skyrim", and add an EDIT with a better argument. Now it's not even a thread with a point. It's just an inflammatory titled thread with very poor points. Glad too see I'm not the only person here calling someone out on weak talking points. And yes debates are awesome. Keeps the blood pumping and the brain working for me.

 

[00slash00]

You could say that about literally every video game ever created. In this thread there's not even scores mentioned or anything like that. It's not even filled with fanboys. It's just OP making a really weak case against a game compared to what we've seen. I would tend to agree with you usually, because fanboys do rage out about that stuff, but The Escapist community seems to have the most tame of fanboys (unlike Destructoid, IGN or Gamespot) who can be reasoned with. This is just a bad original argument being called out as such.

ehh im not sure the fanboys here are as rational as you say, at least not in my experience. but i agree they arent quite as bad as those that ive seen elsewhere. also, scores are something that needs to go away forever. most people seem to place more value in the score a game got, than in what the reviewer actually said about the game. personally i dont think his arguments were that weak. he expressed his disappointment with the game and provided reasons for why he was disappointed. granted, most of those reasons will probably be patched away but the fact that people who hadnt even played the game called him a troll for criticizing skyrim is just absurd

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Sea - "Clear scripting awkwardness when the player deviates from the predetermined path, with the "leader" NPCs apparently teleporting around to avoid the player actually taking initiative and ruining their precious intro sequence. Even when they turn the intro into Call of Duty they still can't get it right.

Yeah, take that goddamn Stormcloaks, because the first thing I do when a dragon attacks for the first time in centuries is start fighting with my rival faction for no goddamn reason. HARDCORE

Skyrim is "everything you wanted and more" because it has slow-motion kill animations and "amazing" graphics.

This leveling system is fucking absurd.
No tradeoffs whatsoever, only linear upgrades.
No special new abilities to unlock.
Leveling itself is performed on a giant star chart which takes forever to pan around and can only display a single perk at one time. But dude, it looks fucking awesome!!1

Just like Oblivion, a huge-ass tutorial dungeon and lengthy scripted, nose-dragging sequences await you. I mean, why take a page from Morrowind and integrate tutorials into the gameplay by gradually introducing new concepts and mechanics as they become relevant to the story, when you can just put up a bunch of giant text prompts and waste an hour of the player's time in the event he or she already knows how to play the game? Once again New Bethesda proves it knows absolutely fuck-all about game design and how to adequately use the open world it's created in intelligent ways.

I can't watch any fucking more of this. At first it was like a train wreck with that initial leaked video, then it was like watching a freak show, kind of a silent shock and awe at such a perversion of nature, and now it's just goddamn depressing to let it all sink in. Every single time Bethesda can introduce a plot point, mechanic or character, they do it in the absolutely worst, most amateurish way possible. Every single new addition reeks of prioritizing visuals and "awesomeness" over actual functionality, control, or gameplay. Long-standing problems in the series are left completely untouched in favor of superficial bullshit. I honestly have no fucking words for not just how pathetic this is.

Bethesda is a studio full of talentless hacks, PR men, morons, con-artists, and frauds. They have no claim to seniority, no claim to industry leadership, and no claim to design expertise or even competence. That anyone - other than their artists and audio guys - gets paid, hell, got fucking hired in the first place, is an insult to the human race."

LOL, looks like someone takes their video games very seriousley.

OT: The game looks fantastic on consoles, but once I get my job and eventually a better pc, that is when I'll buy. I still have some games I want to play, so the wait will at least be bearable, and by the time I'm playing there will probably some quest mods!

 

[Jonny Newcombe]

Got my copy in the post today! Been playing since I got back from work and while I agree that many things haven't improved (instant rigor-mortis still affects every corpse, npcs are still equal parts annoying as informative) a hell of a lot has.

For example, I almost immediately went off from the main story and found countless mines, forts, camps, etc that were all distinct from each other. One was a swampy cave full of undead, another rigged to the nines with booby traps and bandits and a defunct dwarven tower full of steam-punk esq robotic spiders. The Giants, Mammoths and Witches encountered whilst wondering destroy me in seconds so I'm avoiding those fights for now but if I see a bandit or seven its like a Michael Myers Christmas wish and the blood is shed. Such variety and not even as part of the story is astonishing. Tell me how many other games give you as much freedom and variety?

I've only played for about 4hours, which in Elder Scrolls world is basically dipping a toe-nail but so far I'm impressed and having an awesome time. There's so much packed into those mountains that I'm finding it impossible to be bored.

 

[Duffeknol]

First post edited. I was right about everything. NPCs act the exact same as Fallout 3.

 

[Duffeknol]

Only part OP got right was the conversation animations being dull. Other than that. Troll. He's wrong on basicly everything, thank the 8.

What fucking game have you been playing? Your Skyrim doesn't have ragdolls, glitchy animations and dumb physics? Give me your copy.

 

[Duffeknol]

Only part OP got right was the conversation animations being dull. Other than that. Troll. He's wrong on basicly everything, thank the 8.

What fucking game have you been playing? Your Skyrim doesn't have ragdolls, glitchy animations and dumb physics? Give me your copy.

Yer a troll thats full of shit. Ive not had any probs with ragdolls, haven't had any glitchy animations nor any dumb physics. Crawl back under your bridge please.

And now I'm calling troll on you. You have not played the game. FFS there's even people here agreeing with me.

 

[nuba km]

FINAL EDIT: Well guys, the game is out. All you skeptics and troll callers can now suck it. The animation of everyone except the protagonist is indeed as bad as I told you. Their movement is awkward, and they constantly run into walls and into each other. I lost count of how many times either me or my conversational partner have been shoved aside by another NPC. They turn around as slowly as I told you. They glitch and bob up and down stairs. The combat animations are still dry and dull, and they only they added are finishing moves (that don't even look spectacular thanks to ancient rag dolls). Does this make it a bad game? No, it still doesn't. Was I right about my criticism? Yes. I will now accept your written apologies.

*clears throat*
WRONG! I didn't like oblivion that much but I love skyrim want to know why, it has wight to it's actions, bodies don't go flying like ragdoll (except for chain lightning and certain finishing moves), nearly 30 hours of playing and only 1 glitch, decent character animations, no soulless conversations (they still star at you the entire time though it is not nearly as creepy), the combat is thousands of times better (I hated the combat in oblivion I love skyrims combat). Also they even improved the difficult enemies so they aren't impossible at lower levels but just require more planning.

in short I don't know what version of skyrim you have been playing but it certainly isn't what me my friends, and everyone I have talked to on xbox live has been playing.

 

[Duffeknol]

FINAL EDIT: Well guys, the game is out. All you skeptics and troll callers can now suck it. The animation of everyone except the protagonist is indeed as bad as I told you. Their movement is awkward, and they constantly run into walls and into each other. I lost count of how many times either me or my conversational partner have been shoved aside by another NPC. They turn around as slowly as I told you. They glitch and bob up and down stairs. The combat animations are still dry and dull, and they only they added are finishing moves (that don't even look spectacular thanks to ancient rag dolls). Does this make it a bad game? No, it still doesn't. Was I right about my criticism? Yes. I will now accept your written apologies.

*clears throat*
WRONG! I didn't like oblivion that much but I love skyrim want to know why, it has wight to it's actions, bodies don't go flying like ragdoll (except for chain lightning and certain finishing moves), nearly 30 hours of playing and only 1 glitch, decent character animations, no soulless conversations (they still star at you the entire time though it is not nearly as creepy), the combat is thousands of times better (I hated the combat in oblivion I love skyrims combat). Also they even improved the difficult enemies so they aren't impossible at lower levels but just require more planning.

in short I don't know what version of skyrim you have been playing but it certainly isn't what me my friends, and everyone I have talked to on xbox live has been playing.

And yet the one universal critique I've been hearing everywhere (including these forums) is how the game basically feels like Fallout 3, ESPECIALLY the characters. Seriously, browse a few Skyrim threads and you'll see that I'm by far not the only person who thinks this.