Skyrim: Cabbage Rocket
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I dunno about that. Even if they were all by clover, Godhand and Okami were as different as night and day, with Godhand being nonstop fun (really, it was very hard to stop playing that game, no matter how many times I did it), while Okami was interesting and unique, but also slow-paced and very dull at points. Also that paintbrush feature, for all its uniqueness, was very irritating to handle.Keiichi Morisato said:
I haven't played Viewtiful Joe yet.
Anyway, while it mainly comes down to preference, I don't think I could imagine seeing both of them together on any sort of list.
3 years after release and the anti-hype is in full effect.
Skyrim's world, lore, and equipment are the best I've ever seen in a game. So few games have the courage to actually include nature in their world. It's ridiculous to see worlds constantly set in cities and villages when wilds would logically cover a majority of the land in any medieval setting. Besides the huge and varied world that rewards exploration with beautiful vistas, hidden ruins, and unique items the combat is also good. Now, it's not without its flaws, but I've always loved the physicality of the first person elder scrolls combat. No other game I've seen combines that kind of combat and RPG progression in a world of similar quality and scope. And don't say the Witcher, while I love the story of that game the combat's just a pain.
And mods? Mods don't hold a candle to and of the Bethesda-made content. Who cares about a bunch of reskins pandering to various fandoms.
Skyrim's world, lore, and equipment are the best I've ever seen in a game. So few games have the courage to actually include nature in their world. It's ridiculous to see worlds constantly set in cities and villages when wilds would logically cover a majority of the land in any medieval setting. Besides the huge and varied world that rewards exploration with beautiful vistas, hidden ruins, and unique items the combat is also good. Now, it's not without its flaws, but I've always loved the physicality of the first person elder scrolls combat. No other game I've seen combines that kind of combat and RPG progression in a world of similar quality and scope. And don't say the Witcher, while I love the story of that game the combat's just a pain.
And mods? Mods don't hold a candle to and of the Bethesda-made content. Who cares about a bunch of reskins pandering to various fandoms.
I was upset when people criticizing Skyrim in the early days, but considering that I have modded Skyrim with more interesting stuff that should have put in the vanilla, I began to see Skyrim's many faults. The threads above already felt like they're reading my mind.
Hoping that Fallout 4 breaks all the negativity that will probably getting worse if they do not change their repeated ways, or hoping Todd Howard desperately need to make a better game, like how they developed Morrowind before the company is bankrupt. But I doubt that will happen thought.
Hoping that Fallout 4 breaks all the negativity that will probably getting worse if they do not change their repeated ways, or hoping Todd Howard desperately need to make a better game, like how they developed Morrowind before the company is bankrupt. But I doubt that will happen thought.
True story: Gary Larson, the cartoonist responsible for The Far Side, once tried to draw a simple one-panel comic about a dog dreaming that it had murdered a car. Unfortunately, he had difficulty drawing the car, and people mistook it for a dog having sex with a car. This resulted in outrage, lost newspaper subscriptions, and him being kicked from some newspapers.-Dragmire- said:
Seriously, screw drawing cars.
OT: Godhand: Best Non-Violent Adventure Game Of All Time?
Yeah, anti-hype is the only possible reason anybody could dislike Skyrim. It couldn't be the fact that it's really buggy. It couldn't be the fact that after the first thirty minutes it's crazy unfocused. It couldn't be that large chunks of the game are built around MMORPG mentalities, the skinnerboxy idea that combat doesn't need to be fun, it's only there so that you can win at combat and get stuff and level yourself up for more combat. I didn't like this game in the first place, so clearly the fault is entirely on me; it couldn't possibly be that the game was less than perfect.
When it comes down to it, this game may have a tremendously good world to it, but I never had any reason to care about my own character, and the act of actually doing stuff in the game wasn't particularly enjoyable. Traveling wasn't fun, combat was a chore, and I got bored and quit within two hours. If the "keep going, it gets better later" excuse doesn't fly with Final Fantasy XIII, I sure won't accept it here, either.
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P.P.S. Regarding mods: Mod support is certainly a worthy factor to consider when judging a game. The actual mods are not so much. And frankly, a game should never need mods; support should be a la Left 4 Dead 2: totally optional for a great experience, but still worth checking out.
When it comes down to it, this game may have a tremendously good world to it, but I never had any reason to care about my own character, and the act of actually doing stuff in the game wasn't particularly enjoyable. Traveling wasn't fun, combat was a chore, and I got bored and quit within two hours. If the "keep going, it gets better later" excuse doesn't fly with Final Fantasy XIII, I sure won't accept it here, either.
P.S. Thanks
P.P.S. Regarding mods: Mod support is certainly a worthy factor to consider when judging a game. The actual mods are not so much. And frankly, a game should never need mods; support should be a la Left 4 Dead 2: totally optional for a great experience, but still worth checking out.
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And yes, I definitely agree that mods shouldn't be taken into account when coming up with these sorts of lists. It's giving credit to the developers for somebody else's work.
And yes, I definitely agree that mods shouldn't be taken into account when coming up with these sorts of lists. It's giving credit to the developers for somebody else's work.
Sorry, I played through the entirety of Skyrim vanilla before moving to mods and it's still the best RPG over the past 5 years. You just can't beat that huge world with extreme detail in every area. You usually always suffer in detail with scale or scale with detail and somehow Bethesda still manages it.
I do too... I am also less than impressed with Critical Miss's strips lately.CrashBang said:
They're too heavy on the snide & superior.
Grey will of course defend this as being ironic, but to be honest, it just makes the strip come off as written by a giant asshole, which I know it's not.
Who hurt you, Grey?
Was it the Nords?
Wait, wait, wait. You're saying that a game should have to stand up on its own merits? Blasphemy!
But in seriousness, I do agree. Judging Skyrim (or any game) by it's fan-created content would be like basing your opinion on My Little Pony on a couple of fanfics you read, or liking or disliking Sonic the Hedgehog based on what you see of him on Deviantart.
Also, a little off topic, but is captcha asking for anyone else's email? should I be wary?
But in seriousness, I do agree. Judging Skyrim (or any game) by it's fan-created content would be like basing your opinion on My Little Pony on a couple of fanfics you read, or liking or disliking Sonic the Hedgehog based on what you see of him on Deviantart.
Also, a little off topic, but is captcha asking for anyone else's email? should I be wary?
I felt the same way with the lists The Escapist itself has been putting out lately, and am very surprised you guys were allowed to put this up, which is itself a criticism (guess what got top spot of the "Top 25 RPG's of the last 25 years" list?). I mean really, Skyrim? Here's a shortlist of RPG's better than Skyrim:
* Baldur's Gate, and possibly Baldur's Gate II
* Deus Ex. The original Deus Ex anyway, though there's nothing wrong with HR.
* The Geneforge series
* Pretty much any of the Mass Effect series, though the first two especially*
* System Shock 2
* Neverwinter Nights
* Diablo
The list goes on. It's about as nonsensical as - Iunno - putting goddamned Freespace 2 in 5th place. Unlike that one however, it just speaks of so much wrong on so many levels.
*Yes, I know the Story didn't go the intended direction, thus making ME2 almost entirely pointless. They still hold up as games though (which one does is a flamewar for another day).
* Baldur's Gate, and possibly Baldur's Gate II
* Deus Ex. The original Deus Ex anyway, though there's nothing wrong with HR.
* The Geneforge series
* Pretty much any of the Mass Effect series, though the first two especially*
* System Shock 2
* Neverwinter Nights
* Diablo
The list goes on. It's about as nonsensical as - Iunno - putting goddamned Freespace 2 in 5th place. Unlike that one however, it just speaks of so much wrong on so many levels.
*Yes, I know the Story didn't go the intended direction, thus making ME2 almost entirely pointless. They still hold up as games though (which one does is a flamewar for another day).
Say what I will about Bethesda? Alright.
I'll say they're still masters of creating amazing worlds to explore. Skyrim is one such place. Now, putting in coherent stories, connecting the stuff together, and adding weight to decisions, yeah... they've been struggling with that. Still I'd call Skyrim a net positive. I've sunk so much time into that game it's not even funny.
As for the bugs, yeah, they're bad. But the vast majority of them are situational that crop up here and there. I'd say Skyrim has the issue of lots of small bugs, whereas a game like Arkham:Origins, or whatever the newest Batman game is called, has large game breaking bugs. Bugs that repeatedly happen in the same place, obstructing progress. Bugs that corrupt save files so you can't reload. Bugs that can even effect your console, if you're playing on that.
Doesn't excuse Bethesda, but I'd still rather play their game than 2/3 of what's on that list.
I'll say they're still masters of creating amazing worlds to explore. Skyrim is one such place. Now, putting in coherent stories, connecting the stuff together, and adding weight to decisions, yeah... they've been struggling with that. Still I'd call Skyrim a net positive. I've sunk so much time into that game it's not even funny.
As for the bugs, yeah, they're bad. But the vast majority of them are situational that crop up here and there. I'd say Skyrim has the issue of lots of small bugs, whereas a game like Arkham:Origins, or whatever the newest Batman game is called, has large game breaking bugs. Bugs that repeatedly happen in the same place, obstructing progress. Bugs that corrupt save files so you can't reload. Bugs that can even effect your console, if you're playing on that.
Doesn't excuse Bethesda, but I'd still rather play their game than 2/3 of what's on that list.
This is a good summary for a lot of the hate that gets thrown at games.Gasbandit said:
As for Skyrim itself? I'm not saying it's a great RPG that deserves to top lists, but you could do a lot worse [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II_%E2%80%93_The_Sith_Lords]. Like, way worse [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Protocol]. On the spectrum of RPGs, Skyrim still rates higher than most.