Skyrim Child Killing Mod

MaxwellEdison

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urprobablyright said:
You should not want to kill kids.
You've probably been responded to, but you should not want to kill people in general, but the shooter genre seems pretty popular right now.
 
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As much as I agree that the kids in Skyrim are little shits, and sometimes I've wanted to slap them for mocking me, I think there is something just "wrong" with killing kids. Perhaps it's my paternal instinct as I have three of them, but it just reeks of bad taste. I think you'd struggle to find an actual parent who thinks that killing kids in a game is something that should be encouraged.

That said, some of those kids need to be put in their place. I blame the parents; letting them run around and insult strangers.
 

Flames66

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SpaceBat said:
"It's sad that modders are forced to fix a game that's being released as broken,"
It's sad that some people lack common sense.

Anyway, I suppose I can see why some people would want the child killing mod, seeing as some of them are quite annoying and I don't see the harm in it. Giving players the opportunity to mass murder innocent men, women and animals, but then whining that mods give the opportunity to add kids to that list is ridiculous. Also, I find the "You shouldn't want to kill kids" argument hilarious, seeing as it implies that wanting to kill everything else in cold blood is perfectly normal and acceptable.

Not going to download it, seeing as it's against the law here. Besides, I don't really have the urge to kill them. Sure they're annoying, but they're kids. I'll just ignore them and be on my way.

Flames66 said:
Anyone know why it is illegal?
Because it's considered immoral, I suppose.
So is Murder.
 

ZenoX969

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It's all about roleplaying though... My current character is a well respected citizen. He is Thane in both Whiterun and Solitude and a well respected member of the Imperial Legion. He has done very few illegal things, and has only been jailed once. He is also the Arch-Mage of the Mage's College in Winterhold and a member of the Companions.

I did also start on another character who was the complete opposite. A murdering thieving asshole who's only looking out for his best interests. Now why can't this guy, who would murder any random person if it meant a few coins, also be a psychopathic child killer? It limits the roleplaying aspect of the game when children, and other NPC's, are unkillable. Sometimes it's fun to play the bad guy.

But yeah, it's just about the press. Just because it's a game the media will go nuts. Because they still consider ALL GAMES to be toys for kids or for 'immature people'. Movies and TV-shows kill kids all the time, though.

And hey... What about Fallout 3? There you have the option to blow up Megaton near the beginning of the game. By remotely detonating the atomic bomb which sits in the center of town. And you know who lives in that town? Two small kids, a boy and a girl. But I guess it's okay when they die in a firey explosion miles away from you. Instead of getting their heads bashed in with a baseball bat.
 

Reshkar

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I got no problem with this, in video games..
For me, it's just as bad as killing adults.. And Most games allows you that.
 

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LastGreatBlasphemer said:
bussinroundz said:
Why are you asshats trying to relate killing kids in a game to real life ?
Do some reading on subconscious desires, Freud may have been a quack but he was onto quite a few things. It's basically the same reason people want animated child pornography banned as much as the real stuff. It's what it says about the user.
Now, granted that doesn't fit for everyone, but it's the general gist.
That sidesteps the question though. That's the same argument a lot of people use to justify banning games for killing adults -- that killing people in a game is indicative of a desire to kill them in real life. Thoughtcrime.
 

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urprobablyright said:
Sometimes when I complain about immature content in a game trolls say to me:

"It's fun. Have you got something against fun jerkface?"
Well, in return, I now say:

"If I ever meet you in real life, stay the hell away from my kids, jerkfaces"
You should not want to kill kids. If you've got a problem with those kids, walk away from them. It's a pretty simple bleeding concept that you should have (but probably didn't) learnt in real life. Kind of like on this forum, when trolls tell others:

"If you don't like the content of this post, don't read it"
I know a lot of you might have had trouble with highschool, in which you may have wished you could kill that damn handsome boy who did homework well, played sports and had many friends of the opposite sex, but you didn't do it in real life, and you should be able to get by without doing it in games.

If you're on the 'I just want a realistic representation' bandwagon then I still think you should not want the chance to kill kids. If you want realism you shouldn't be walking around with fire balls, killing giant spiders, or instantly healing a percentage of your hitpoints by consuming a plant or combination of plants you picked up off the ground, or imbibing a red fluid. Maybe you should just imagine that in this world, kids reign supreme as a silent mass of influential, omnicient beings.

EDIT: There turns out to be a third party: People who got pissed off by the mocking kids. "Rise Above" is the first thing to come to mind, but if I ever wanted to get rid of kids I'd want to try do something like using magic to levitate them and deposit them on top of a pillar, or smacking them off map with the DK hammer from super smash bros. Slicing into them with an axe doesn't interest me.

If you're thinking of typing "Yo, urprobablyright, it's a game - has no consequences, should not be a matter of weight", well, I have considered that opinion and am sick of people saying stuff like that to justify games that are just appealing to shock popularity.

There's a term for this in the movie world: "Exploitation movies", movies that are full of ridiculous scenes just for appeal (see: The Human Centipede, A Serbian Film) You guys just want some hideous abandon as far as I concern no reasoning about the fact that it is simulated takes away from the fact that you patronize simulated child abuse.
Let me see if I get this right. It's not okay wanting to kill a kid in real life therefore not okay in a game. But it's perfectly alright to join the Dark Brotherhood? That's just silly. By that logic it's cool if you want to kill someone as long as they are adults.

I will not download that mod but if someone feels like getting it, either added realism or just punching the face of some poor kid, then by all means be my guest
 

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LastGreatBlasphemer said:
bussinroundz said:
Why are you asshats trying to relate killing kids in a game to real life ?
Do some reading on subconscious desires, Freud may have been a quack but he was onto quite a few things. It's basically the same reason people want animated child pornography banned as much as the real stuff. It's what it says about the user.
Now, granted that doesn't fit for everyone, but it's the general gist.
Thats like something someone who took 1 class of psychology in community college would say man. Now your also equating it to child pronography. That is in a whole different zip code compared to this. You really cant group people into groups as simply as that. Even saying that almost everyone who wants to kill kids in a game wants to kill kids in RL subconciously just seems bogus.
 

Beryl77

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I normally don't care about killing children in games. Skyrim is a different case however. You know Bethesda, if you have to make the kids immortal, don't make them little annoying dipshits who are practically asking for beating.
 

Jonluw

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I envy the pc users the modding community.
The immortal wee-uns are immersion breaking.
 

Lewieroo0

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Easton Dark said:

If anything, it makes tag more believable.

Maybe if the kids weren't such jerks people wouldn't make these as quickly :/
this made my day :p

i'm quite tempted to get this mod, those little fuckers have such bad manners, somebody's gotta sort them out.
 

Lopsided Weener

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One of the biggest immersion breakers in Skyrim for me was the fact that you'd be listening to the king of a mighty city in Skyrim, with his powerful, Scandinavian accent, and suddenly a little brat claiming to be his son runs up to you shouting in a high pitch American accent. After a few times of this happening, I said screw it and tried to barbeque the damn kid, and was very sad to find that he was totally impervious to my 1000 degree flame ball... Safe to say I wasn't too happy about that. I'll probably be getting the mod.
 

Azure-Supernova

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urprobablyright said:
You should not want to kill kids. If you've got a problem with those kids, walk away from them. It's a pretty simple bleeding concept that you should have (but probably didn't) learnt in real life. Kind of like on this forum, when trolls tell others:
I stopped reading here. I don't want to kill kids, neither does my tolerant Nord sword swinger or my lazy Imperial ranger. My slightly insane pyromaniac Dunmer however does not discriminate.

It's not about being able to kill children, it's about not being able to kill them. If that makes sense? I can hunt dragons, deer, rabbits and slaughter entire communities of bandits, townsfolk and tribals. I can wipe every NPC off the face of Skyrim, but children will always be there to put limitations on what I can do.

I'm just as pissed off about not being able to kill virtual children as I am about not having a seperate hotkey menu for my spells and shouts. It's a game mechanic and what I do in game has no reflection on my personality. That and I can differentiate between reality and fiction...
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
The kids in Skyrim are little shits who go out and mock you at every opportunity...

I'll be using this mod to reenact Revenge of the Sith, albeit with slightly more justification that they were bugging me before. Don't really see what the fuss is about.
I think that THIS is what the fuss is about.

I agree completely that children should not be immune to what occurs in an open-world game like Skyrim or Oblivion, or especially the Bethesda take on Fallout. Even if it is only included in scripting, in an event the player has no control over, it would be rewarding to see the reality of war and conflict reach its deadly fingers over any particular NPC; after all, it isn't the pictures of dead rebels in war-torn countries that spark the strongest reaction in us, it's the pictures of STILL-LIVING CHILDREN who are left in the wake...and the reality that they won't be alive long.



However, this is a COMPLETELY different thing than feeling justified in killing children. The kids are little shits who obviously can only be corrected with the cold kiss of hard steel to their faces. What you are talking about is ENTITLEMENT to kill adolescents, whether virtual or not. As soon as you talk about your right to take your anger towards obsequious behavior out in the form of murdering younglings, all reason and logic has left your argument. Instead of realism in a game, you instead insist on the ability to create a simulacrum of hate, an effigy you can burn, and a figure upon which you can transpose a real-world frustration on a virtual one...you haven't even remembered that the scene you so long to "re-enact" is one of the events that pushed a hero toward the darkside. Let us also not forget that you may take those frustrations and angers out on EVERY...OTHER...form of life in Skyrim, regardless of whether Polar Bears are endangered or not...the position you take is diminished considerably when you take into account that you are raging against something that you are not allowed to do, rather than focusing on the myriad of disturbing things you are allowed to do. It smacks of only being interested in the cookie jar when it is placed atop the refrigerator.

In that regard, I applaud Bethesda for keeping out of the controversy in keeping their children immortal due to player action (but come on, they can die for the sake of plot, can't they?), and further respect them for sticking to their guns when confronted about it. Pete Hines should get a raise.
 

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Hammeroj said:
I second the "about damn time" motion, I just wish Bethesda moved on past that dumb-ass weaksauce stance on children. It's so pathetic, dead children literally don't exist in their games, even when they're supposed to. For instance, there is some lighthouse, where, reading the journals, you find out that a family of 4 was killed. You see the mom dead, you see the dad dead, children? Not a fucking hint of 'em.

I mean come on, man, don't have it in then, for fuck's sake, if you're that concerned about what a dumbass reporter on Fox could say.
Not everything a developer does is done because of the reaction they want to incite/avoid. People have the right to control what is and isn't included in their product, and Bethesda has made it clear that they don't want to devote resources to allow sick people to enact personal fantasies of infanticide. Its the same reason why I wouldn't expect them to include a feature that lets you rape woman and mutilate bodies. Its simply a moral black hole that the game would rather tactfully avoid rather than try to shatter the narrative tone for the sociopath market.

I don't want Elder Scrolls trying to ram hardcore dark fantasy down my throat like every pretentious RPG today, I want the game to be fun, and if people can't have fun without seeing dead children then I simply have no words for them.

Besides the point, if you just really cant get off without seeing dead children then download the mod, Bethesda won't stop you. But don't try to say that you are somehow entitled to your right to kill kids in a videogame. The only way I could see it tastefully handled is if it was similar to the original Fallouts, where killing a child resulted with all NPCs in the area turning hostile, an instant demotion to the special lowest karma rating, most quest givers/merchants refusing to talk to you and occasionally groups of bounty hunters attack, really just a non-standard gameover.