Skyrim elves look AWFUL :(

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Elamdri said:
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Elamdri said:
This is hyperbole, but if Bethesda made elves three feet tall, with 7 arms, red skin, and horns, then they can call them elves all they want, but they're not elves.
Ironically enough, this would be CLOSER to classic elves. They were tiny devilish troublemakers before the likes of Tolkien came in and rewrote them.
Sure, but here's the deal. TES is a classic, high fantasy game. Tolkien's elves have been the accepted norm for elves for about 60 years now. Now if you wanna make some deviation from the high fantasy Genre, fine, but when we're talking about TES, there are some expectations I think, and what they've put out don't meet those expectations in my opinion.

Tolkien WON. Elves LOOK like human beings. They may not have to look like supermodels, but they're general appearance should be human. Especially in a game series that bleeds as much Tolkien and D&D as TES.
Someone may already have said this, but:

Skyrim is supposed to represent the Scandiavian medieval tradition and culture. And as elves in the Scandinavian culture were devilish troublemakers, I think they changed the aesthetics of them to fit the theme.

I would guess that if they made a game about Summerset Isle, they would make the elves more beautiful and majestic.
 

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Elamdri said:
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I can't figure out what's worse. That someone designed them in the first place thinking that they would be aesthetically pleasing, or that someone didn't tell the person who created them that they're an absolute failure and put them in the final release.
Bold for point. You assuming something already. Perhaps you should rethink that.
Rethink what? That perhaps a designer hated the people playing their games and instead purposely made them look like their faces were put in a vice grip with giant anime eyes? I suppose that's a possibility too.
So you're just venting here then? The developers are completely retarded and you know better. You're making a much bigger deal out of this than necessary, if we're being honest. If you're not asking us to say why we like the races to show you a different viewpoint, and instead using this as a personal blog to rant about the game, then why make this thread?
You've done nothing so far except shit on the design; there's nothing constructive here at all.
I dunno, I find my own catharsis to be personally constructive and fulfilling. It's also nice to know that the internet, as usually, is collectively wrong (<NOTE: SARCASM). Also, nothing written on an internet forum, anywhere, ever, in the history of time, has been constructive, so pointing out that something ISN'T constructive is like pointing out that that a Scion XB is ugly. It's a given.
I don't think Scion XB's are ugly.
 

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Strange. I thought the opposite. When I made my Dunmer I felt there was not enough hairstyle choices yet I was content with the facial options. I mean look at my Dunmar and then look at the Dunmer Compilation pictures.

http://www.skyrimwiki.com/images/c/c3/Dunmer_Compilation.jpg

I was able to change my character into looking more human than elf yet could have made him look the same as the rest from those compilations.
I'm more referring specifically to the female elves (which is what I play as.) Your male elf looks great. For the females though, most of the options don't seem to stray far from the base.
 

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As a role-playing snob who bought used D&D manuals from Gary Gygax out of the back of his VW minibus, circa 1983, it must be pointed out that "Drow elves" are not the same race as Dunmer. Ugh.

Saying that all dark elves are the same is like saying all boobs are the same. "If you've seen one, you've seen them all." - does not apply here.

GOSH!
 

Argtee

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Dark elves are supposed to look like that.

They're dark elves, not humans...
 

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OH NO THESE ELVES AREN'T PRETTY AND DAINTY LIKE MY HUSBANDO LEGOLAS OH NO

I'd argue that these elves are a lot closer in appearance to the original elves (that is, the Fey Folk) than many popular interpretations of them nowadays. They're not human, they're alien, all cold and angular. Because they're not hot humans with pointy ears, they're BLOODY ELVES!
 

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<img width=400>http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7600000/Forrest-Elf-fantasy-7636450-1024-768.jpg
Sweet jesus that looks like a friend of mine.
Where'd you get this picture from?
 

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holy_secret said:
lacktheknack said:
<img width=400>http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7600000/Forrest-Elf-fantasy-7636450-1024-768.jpg
Sweet jesus that looks like a friend of mine.
Where'd you get this picture from?
Google search for "elf".
 

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Elamdri said:
Part of the problem with the elves is that elves are supposed to look like humans. Orcs, Khajit, and Argonians don't have to look like humans, so there is a lot freedom there. Elves, not so much.
Why are they *supposed* to look like humans? Humanity and the Mer races are entirely seperate and have a different evolutionary history in Nirn. Or are you saying elves are supposed to look pretty because you're thinking of the typical Arwen/Galadriel/Eldrond template?

Unfortunately, Nirn isn't Middle-Earth. Bethsoft can jerk around with the Mer as much as it wants to. I, personally, don't mind.
 

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High Fantasy, particularly in video games, is built on a set of templates that are so well-worn the fabric has gotten all see-through. A good reference for these templates is, rather than Tolkien, Warhammer Fantasy, which is sort of a deliberate attempt to stuff every fantasy trope you can think of into one pot and then put in too much pepper. Elder Scrolls is sort of the same thing, in that it puts a lot of familiar tropes into a pot but then it doesn't season them enough and also the pot has a leak in it and is very ugly. I guess I don't really give a shit about lore in Elder Scrolls.

If I were to write some shitty Elves and made no attempt to break the mold, they'd be like this:
1. Have no facial hair. This is pretty much the most important thing when you think about it. Dark Elves (and their whateverthefuck analogues, Drow, or who gives a shit?) are allowed to have goatees, and maybe Fu Manchu?
2. Are old. But they don't look old. Might not be immortal, technically, but it doesn't matter because you'll never see one die of old age or even really hear about this being a thing that can happen.
3. Are awesome at stuff. Usually a lot of stuff. Usually because Elves represent the author's narcissistic masturbatory spunk. Typically the first thing authors do to break mold is to find some "flaws" to strap onto their Elves so that it's harder to notice the smell.
4. Are magic. This kind of fits under number 3, because Fantasy is really just "a thing, but magic", so being magic makes you the best pretty much by definition unless you're evil. I'm setting it aside to distinguish it from the assumption that there are also tons of other stuff Elves are good at.
5. Are pretty. No matter what you say, kind of inescapable. Elder Scrolls Elves are pretty much the ugliest they can get, and it's mostly just because everything in Bethesda games is ugly. At most you edge closer to the fair folk look, which makes their faces pointy in addition to the ears, but you're still never going to see an Elf with bad skin or asymmetrical bits or a bald patch.

Oh, and 6. pointy ears. But, that pretty much goes without saying? But not as much as the "no beards" rule, which is such a given that it's hard to even realize it's there, like "Look around you, what do you see" and you say "The floor." Unless you are on the floor.

It's also pretty typical for Elves to branch off into a couple of extreme categories, especially Dark Elves, who are Elves if the author was a Goth.

So anyway, if you're writing Fantasy genre and you're not coming up with actually new stuff like Myst or like Blizzard's crazy panda people, you're probably going to want to stick pretty closely to the template so that A. readers can save some time by generalizing about your Elves according to the stereotype, and B. when you do introduce a spin, it has more impact. Bethesda is particularly vindicated in doing this, because by doing most of the lore by the book, what sets Tamriel apart from every other shitty generic brand fantasy world is the fact that the player him- or herself is in it murdering guards and stealing everything. The game sells a lot of units because of the idea that it's "any High Fantasy, in a sandbox".

Finally, on topic, what I'm saying is that OP's assessment that Elves do not look like Elves is a statement that is meaningful in the context of Elder Scrolls, because Elder Scrolls deliberately doesn't stray too far from stereotypes most of the time. I kind of agree, in that the Elves are indeed emphatically repellant and unpleasant to behold, but I persist in the belief that this is mostly a matter of technical and artistic limitations and not of an intention to impose some kind of interesting variation on the rut. I guess we can call that a happy accident? East-Germanic Rome-sacking Goth Dark Elves is pretty interesting!
 

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I think they're great. Unique, rather than just people with longer ears. Or in the Wood Elf case "rounder face and longer ears".
 

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No, they don't.

This isn't really an argument, just stating the obvious. At the very least, they are a sight better than those FFXI/XIV Elzhen.

[http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/index.php?title=Elezen&image=ElezenWildwood_m_bust-jpg]

That... that neck. Makes them look so stupid when they walk around.
 

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I have to say when I first saw those the thought that crossed my mind was "I'm not going to playing as those" but I understand that it could be worse and its possible they weren't created with being good looking in mind but it still kinda puts me off.
 

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Elamdri said:
All I'm saying is that I've killed enough Drow in my time to know that THIS:



is not a dark elf.
Nor is it supposed to be. TES setting is NOT Tolkien nor Warhammer nor Dungeons & Dragons. Their Dwarves (Dwemer) are nothing like the dwarves from those settings either. The Dark Elves in TES are not DROW, they are 'dark' Elves. Like a Redguard is basically a 'dark' human. There are no actual 'humans' in TES either, but culturally diverse to the point of racially different types of human. Technically there should be nothing to really compare a Nord (Scots/Viking) to a Breton (European/French Medieval) to an Imperial (Roman Legion style) in terms of stats or traits if they were all 'humans', but TES chose not to follow that idea and struck out on their own (Breton Spellswords FTW btw ;) )

In the Elder Scrolls, there is no Lolth, though there is an arguable equivalent, and the Dark Elves don't revere or follow her, neither are they simply elves that decided to shun the light and head underground. In fact, the entirity of Morrowind is set in Dark Elf country.

In some (real) cultures, Elves are basically slightly larger pixies, in others they are wee folk with pointed ears and a propensity to wear the colour green (and help Santa...) they look nothing like humans save for the humanoid 2 feet, 2 hands, pink skin approach.

Just because there is an overwhelmingly popular standard doesn't mean everyone HAS to follow it and can't be original. Personally, i take afront to the STUPIDLY large ears on Warcraft elves, but I don't go petitioning Blizzard to make them closer to Legolas.
 

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Someone never played other TES games, it seems. The Skyrim elves are more like the older versions. The Oblivion ones stand out as being moon-faced humans with pointy ears and they looked awful. Now they actually look like elves.
 

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They aren't necessarily supposed to be aesthetically pleasing, that's Tolkein's thing. TES probably wanted to do something different for elves to escape the monotony of tall point-eared pretty boys.

Plus, they are supposed to be a separate race to humans, so they aren't necessarily going to conform to our standards of beauty.
Besides, they can't "not look like elves" elves don't look like anything, they don't exist, get over it. If you want an elf that fits your exacting standards, draw one yourself.
 

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Elves are NOT human. Of course their appearance might be a little off-putting, because they almost conform to human standards, but not quite enough. And it don't think it's nearly as disturbing as you think. I've sank quite some time into Skyrim, and actually thought the new look (because everyone looked like a smear on a wall in Oblivion) is certainly better than if they went with the Tolkien standards. (and now I call you a racist and ask if you hate black people and such as well)