Skyrim: Same button-mashing level system as before?

[The Gnome King]

Like right now, by me, for referring to yourself in the third person you arrogant bastard.

Savvy. The Gnome approves of your cheek.

Truthfully, it would seem Bethesda wasn't wasting our time waiting so long to make Skyrim. Oblivion was a good game and it seems like Skyrim will be an absolute improvement. As it is though, I won't be getting it immediately because strictly single player games tend to drop pretty fast in price and I'm a cheap buyer.

Agreed on the game; it looks fantastic. Now that I know the leveling issues I had with it are at least partially resolved, I'll be picking it up immediately.

My wife still wants a copy of Dragon Age 2 for her own Steam account, though, and I need to get her the Portal games... and I have a few other gems coming out before Skyrim releases that should keep me busy.

And there's Dungeons & Dragons Online to fill in the gaps while we wait.

 

[The Gnome King]

Lol dude, all I can say is that you're worrying WAY too much about it. I never had any problems with this, and my biggest hobbies in Oblivion were Alchemy and Enchantment.

Apparently enough people had problems with the Oblivion system that the development team completely changed things for Skyrim; which is a good thing. I feel vindicated.

And as somebody who enjoyed toying with alchemy and the magic system, I will say that it was a darned pain in the ass. If you didn't have problems with it more power to ya, of course - but quite a lot of people spent quite a lot of time talking about that very feature.

You can even Google "Oblivion leveling" or "Oblivion efficient leveling" to get some ideas.

 

[Kinguendo]

Please be joking. Please be joking. Please for the love of all that is good and holy, along with all that is evil and demonic, be joking.

Wrong again, you are on a roll. Stop stalling with non-replies and admit that you are WRONG.

 

[triggrhappy94]

The leveling trait system wasn't great. But I prefer leveling your skills this way, because you can actually raise all (or most) of your skills to 100, and not have to wait until you level to do so.

 

[Jumplion]

I enjoyed the leveling system, though it was really easy to abuse it by grinding. The new leveling system in Skyrim doesn't seem to stray too far off Oblivion's, though there are some minor changes to it as far as I've seen.

 

[The Gnome King]

Played Oblivion. Liked it; hated the leveling system. I should NOT have to sit in a corner blocking with my shield while a giant rat attacks me over and over in order to raise my "endurance" trait.

I fear sir you've been missing the point - you don't raise your trait artificially by 'doing it your way' - you raise your traits organically by doing whatever you require; and the enemies scale with you. So you don't have to grindtastic your face off.

No, I think you're missing the point... when trying to raise your traits "organically" as you put it, if you ignore the "grinding for attributes" often the enemies would scale to be much more powerful than you, combat wise, by level 10 or so.

I'll spell it out again:
Let's say you level a character mainly using, say, running and jumping and alchemy. You pick them as major attributes or whatever. By level 10 you have NO endurance or strength upgrades, but the enemies - oh, they sure as heck do. You *have* to watch what attributes you are raising - in particular, endurance for health value - which is raised by such inane things as blocking and letting yourself get hit while wearing armor.

I'm not the only person who felt this way, sir. I am one of many people who had problems with the Oblivion leveling system, and I was simply asking a question as to if they fixed this issue with Skyrim. If you read the entire thread I think you will find, sir, that they have indeed fixed this problem and that the game will be released with a new leveling system to address the issues of Oblivion.

Here's a link:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Leveling

Here's a quote from the link:

The fact that monsters and other enemies level up at the same time as your character leads to the "leveling problem". If you make poor choices in leveling up, your character will become weaker than the monsters as your level progresses. Therefore the game will become harder rather than easier, even though you would expect the game to be easier for high-level characters.
There are several strategies for overcoming the leveling problem. One is to never let your character sleep, and therefore your character will never level up (as described at Under Leveling). Another is to just decrease the game's difficulty slider.

Now, given that I didn't write the article or ANY of the articles in the Oblivion Wiki it would stand to reason that the fact "The Oblivion Leveling Problem" exists as a term you can Google would lend credence to my statement that it was 1) a problem and 2) many people disliked it. This is further backed up by 3) the admittance of the development team that there WERE problems with the leveling system and the fact that they FIXED it for Skyrim.

But thank you, sir, for your input.

 

[The Gnome King]

I enjoyed the leveling system, though it was really easy to abuse it by grinding. The new leveling system in Skyrim doesn't seem to stray too far off Oblivion's, though there are some minor changes to it as far as I've seen.

One HUGE thing is that there are no more major/minor skills - this will go a long way to alleviating the problem that I was talking about. Looks like they have streamlined the system to make it more invisible, too. We'll have to see when it comes out if standing in a corner and spamming a spell still is the way to power-level.

 

[Kinguendo]

Please be joking. Please be joking. Please for the love of all that is good and holy, along with all that is evil and demonic, be joking.

Wrong again, you are on a roll. Stop stalling with non-replies and admit that you are WRONG.

No, I will admit one thing though. That I am talking to a fucking retard and got fooled into thinking that they were mentally competent. Attempting to sound smug when they have the reading comprehension of a gnat. I mean you have to be pretty fucking retarded to think

there is no "mastering" wanting to use solely swords and shields .

was talking about how going swords is obviously what you did as opposed to just an example.

Dont worry, I wont report you. When faced with your own inadequacies, it is only natural to be enraged and reject them. I understood exactly what you were saying as you wrote it... you might have a point if I thought you were claiming I liked mayonnaise.

It was you who said there was a specific way of playing that meant you didnt have to have all 5s AND that I was doing it, you quite clearly state that you know what my interests are directly before the "sword and shield accusation". The only example this could be is an example of my interests as that is the context you had literally just created... and as I said, thats an assumption you made falsely.

 

[mike1921]

. you might have a point if I thought you were claiming I liked mayonnaise..

Well I am reporting you. You are either trolling or have no business posting without adult supervision. But just incase

It was you who said there was a specific way of playing that meant you didnt have to have all 5s AND that I was doing it, you quite clearly state that you know what my interests are directly before the "sword and shield accusation".

No, I implied there were specific WAYS of playing that you didn't have all 3s (you don't need all 5s all you need is 3s). When was it said that there was a single way.

 

[ninja51]

Best to type skyrim into a search engine before making a whole topic. You'll get the information you'll want after like 2 minutes, and the bulk of that is the laoding time of pages

 

[Jumplion]

I enjoyed the leveling system, though it was really easy to abuse it by grinding. The new leveling system in Skyrim doesn't seem to stray too far off Oblivion's, though there are some minor changes to it as far as I've seen.

One HUGE thing is that there are no more major/minor skills - this will go a long way to alleviating the problem that I was talking about. Looks like they have streamlined the system to make it more invisible, too. We'll have to see when it comes out if standing in a corner and spamming a spell still is the way to power-level.

Yeah, they have done that, though I do worry that it is being oversimplified. Not "dumbed down", but simplified, and while it may give way to a more streamlined experience, I think I'll miss a few certain skills (is alchemy still in? I'm gonna mortar the shit out of my pestle if it's still in).

 

[Kinguendo]

. you might have a point if I thought you were claiming I liked mayonnaise..

Well I am reporting you. You are either trolling or have no business posting without adult supervision. But just incase

It was you who said there was a specific way of playing that meant you didnt have to have all 5s AND that I was doing it, you quite clearly state that you know what my interests are directly before the "sword and shield accusation".

No, I implied there were specific WAYS of playing that you didn't have all 3s (you don't need all 5s all you need is 3s). When was it said that there was a single way.

You appear to have dropped your argument here... care to drop the semantics and get back to the point?

 

[espressojet]

all you had to do was google: skyrim leveling and then click the very first link

 

[spartan231490]

Played Oblivion. Liked it; hated the leveling system. I should NOT have to sit in a corner blocking with my shield while a giant rat attacks me over and over in order to raise my "endurance" trait. I should NOT have to raise my intelligence, etc., by button-mashing low-level spells before I "level" my character. I hated that about Oblivion - if I started getting close to "leveling" and my "attributes" weren't maxed out to +5 each, especially in the first 10-20 levels or so, I felt compelled to sit there and "make the most out of my level" by mashing the "Minor detect life" spell or whatever... over... and over... and over...

So, is Skyrim going to be doing this as well? Have they released anything on the leveling system yet? Because, truth be told, that would be enough for me to pass on Skyrim until it's on sale through Steam as a GOTY edition or something. I'm not paying for a game when it comes out just to be frustrated like that again, and I might never pick it up at all.

If, however, they fixed the leveling system so that you don't have to "manage" how quickly you level to gain attribute points based on minor/major skills, I'd be happy to play it.

The leveling system was just awful. It ruined a perfectly wonderful CRPG for me.

The leveling system is new. You don't have class skills anymore, but I haven't heard much about it else. The higher the skill the more it counts towards your level but I don't know how it will effect attribute increase. I agree with u and think the level system should have been improved and hope it has but i haven't heard much about it.

 

[mike1921]

. you might have a point if I thought you were claiming I liked mayonnaise..

Well I am reporting you. You are either trolling or have no business posting without adult supervision. But just incase

It was you who said there was a specific way of playing that meant you didnt have to have all 5s AND that I was doing it, you quite clearly state that you know what my interests are directly before the "sword and shield accusation".

No, I implied there were specific WAYS of playing that you didn't have all 3s (you don't need all 5s all you need is 3s). When was it said that there was a single way.

You appear to have dropped your argument here... care to drop the semantics and get back to the point?

No, this is not semantics. This is your whole entire fucking complaint. That I claimed to know something about the way you played the game. When did I claim that I know the combination(s) of interests that get you to level on par with the enemies? I never claimed to know anything about the way you played.

Also, telling someone to drop semantics when the whole point has been a misunderstanding (that is probably just manufactured troll shit) is another sign of someone who I am surprised is capable of breathing.

I already made my argument that you ignored by going "LOL I'M A MASTER!!!" like a fucking child. Like I said, you will not level properly if the way you're interested in playing doesn't make you level the right way. Then you decided to jump in like a tool and talk about how skilled you are even though it was obvious if you fucking READ WHAT I SAID that it has nothing to do with skill and thus any claim of mastery is incompatible as a response.

 

[Avatar Roku]

. you might have a point if I thought you were claiming I liked mayonnaise..

Well I am reporting you. You are either trolling or have no business posting without adult supervision. But just incase

It was you who said there was a specific way of playing that meant you didnt have to have all 5s AND that I was doing it, you quite clearly state that you know what my interests are directly before the "sword and shield accusation".

No, I implied there were specific WAYS of playing that you didn't have all 3s (you don't need all 5s all you need is 3s). When was it said that there was a single way.

You appear to have dropped your argument here... care to drop the semantics and get back to the point?

No, this is not semantics. This is your whole entire fucking complaint. That I claimed to know something about the way you played the game. When did I claim that I know the combination(s) of interests that get you to level on par with the enemies? I never claimed to know anything about the way you played.

Also, telling someone to drop semantics when the whole point has been a misunderstanding (that is probably just manufactured troll shit) is another sign of someone who I am surprised is capable of breathing.

I already made my argument that you ignored by going "LOL I'M A MASTER!!!" like a fucking child. Like I said, you will not level properly if the way you're interested in playing doesn't make you level the right way. Then you decided to jump in like a tool and talk about how skilled you are even though it was obvious if you fucking READ WHAT I SAID that it has nothing to do with skill and thus any claim of mastery is incompatible as a response.

. you might have a point if I thought you were claiming I liked mayonnaise..

Well I am reporting you. You are either trolling or have no business posting without adult supervision. But just incase

It was you who said there was a specific way of playing that meant you didnt have to have all 5s AND that I was doing it, you quite clearly state that you know what my interests are directly before the "sword and shield accusation".

No, I implied there were specific WAYS of playing that you didn't have all 3s (you don't need all 5s all you need is 3s). When was it said that there was a single way.

You appear to have dropped your argument here... care to drop the semantics and get back to the point?

Both of you, kindly shut up. Neither of you is doing your side any credit and I'm getting a bit depressed listening to this constant bickering.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

I think I remember seeing an article where the devs said it was more or less the same. Hopefully there's some improvements tho.

 

[kortin]

Honestly, the oblivion leveling system seamlessly entwined itself into my gameplay. I'm not normally one for leveling off skills (alchemy, armorer, etc) I like leveling up my combat skills. I run around with my Dawn/Duskfang and slice shit up, then i blast it with my awesome spell I made myself. If I'm feeling sneaky, i'll throw my dark brotherhood robe on and sneak around with a bow and arrow killing stuff in 1 shot to the head.

I can see where it can get annoying if you try to level the off skills, but really, thats what multiple characters are for. I have 2 or 3 characters. 1 of them is a sneaky assassin type, 1 is more of a mix between sneaky and upfront, and the last one I charge into battle swinging. My assassin is skilled in alchemy (for poisons on the off chance that my arrow doesn't insta-kill) while my mix char has some restoration points. My warrior one has skills in basically any weapon, heavy armor, and thats pretty much it.

 

[DayDark]

I'm quite looking forward to the leveling in Skyrim. The fact that there's no longer the whole +5+3+2+1 thing going on, is quite refreshing. I also like the thing about using skills of high levels, contributes more to gaining another overall level, this encourages specialization, and "punishes" the one who wants too much of everything, because he will level slower. Good replay value. The fact that there is +280 perks (if we include upgrades to perks), but that we can at max, only choose 50 of them, also means that your first character is highly likely to not be anything like your second character.

 

[mike1921]

No, this is not semantics. This is your whole entire fucking complaint. That I claimed to know something about the way you played the game. When did I claim that I know the combination(s) of interests that get you to level on par with the enemies? I never claimed to know anything about the way you played.

Also, telling someone to drop semantics when the whole point has been a misunderstanding (that is probably just manufactured troll shit) is another sign of someone who I am surprised is capable of breathing.

I already made my argument that you ignored by going "LOL I'M A MASTER!!!" like a fucking child. Like I said, you will not level properly if the way you're interested in playing doesn't make you level the right way. Then you decided to jump in like a tool and talk about how skilled you are even though it was obvious if you fucking READ WHAT I SAID that it has nothing to do with skill and thus any claim of mastery is incompatible as a response.

"No, just that you're interests allign in a way that make the game easier" - Now take in to consideration that at no point prior (Or after, for that matter.) to this had I said anything about my interests OH and you are right... this isnt semantics, you are flat out wrong. You never stated or implied there are WAYS to make the game easier, you stated there was ONE way and that is the one I quoted above. Your argument is entirely based on false assumptions and poorly constructed sentences.

How about you fucking read.

You did play in a way that you came out leveled along with the enemies. You're not aarguing this.

It doesn't matter if I know anything about your interests, infact it wouldn't even help because quite honestly I am not making a new character to find out every way you can possibly play without grinding to come out decently level. All I need to assume is that your interests are in game, which is entirely reasonable to assume given that you played the game.

implied there are WAYS to make the game easier, you stated there was ONE way and that is the one I quoted above

No I fucking didn't I gave an example. Man I hope to god you get banned I'm way too pissed off from this troll for me to be satisfied before I see a ban. The only thing that can possibly be minsconstrued by the mind of someone mentally competent states the exact opposite, that there is only one way to end up underleveled. See here

if you play a certain way you will just be at a point where everything feels like an invincible wall of steel you're hacking away by level 20.