This guy knows what's up. The dynamic quests you find in New Vegas are a big reason I keep coming back.Elmoth said:
Skyrim vs Fallout 3 GO!
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I prefer Skyrim over Fallout 3 for quite a few reasons, but if I were to be completely honest I'd probably give a lot of the credit to it simply taking place in a setting which I find more appealing. I'm not too particularly fond of the Post - Apocalypse setting, but never the less I still found Fallout 3 entertaining. The thing I probably found the most interesting of it was that battleship city.
Jitters Caffeine said:
ummm im sorry but your just flat out wrong. each city in skyrim looks and feel unique and alive were as the ones in fallout just look like any other distroyed city. Now if you just dislike medevil styles just come out and say it dont go makeing excuses that they all look the same when they dont.
(oh and ive got less then 20 hours of game time with skyrim and ive been to every one of the cites
I play Dungeons and Dragons, I'm very familiar with the fantasy structure. And saying that any city in Fallout looks the same is factually wrong and proves to me you didn't actually play the game. Every city in Skyrim is just another boring medieval city with a population that hates cat and lizard people.ecoho said:ummm im sorry but your just flat out wrong. each city in skyrim looks and feel unique and alive were as the ones in fallout just look like any other distroyed city. Now if you just dislike medevil styles just come out and say it dont go makeing excuses that they all look the same when they dont.
IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL TASTES
I tend to like Fallout much more, but I know people who enjoy both equally. For me, Fallout is more interesting and relatble due to the technology in it, I also enjoy the survival sorta thing that is included as well as the gunplay.
CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION WITH A MESSAGE PLEASE!
If they use the same engine for Fallout 4.. CAN I HAZ DRAGONZ IN FALLOUT AND SUPA MUTANTS IN SKYRIM!!!!!! XD 8D
I tend to like Fallout much more, but I know people who enjoy both equally. For me, Fallout is more interesting and relatble due to the technology in it, I also enjoy the survival sorta thing that is included as well as the gunplay.
CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION WITH A MESSAGE PLEASE!
If they use the same engine for Fallout 4.. CAN I HAZ DRAGONZ IN FALLOUT AND SUPA MUTANTS IN SKYRIM!!!!!!
XD 8D
A tough choice. Fallout 3 and Skyrim both has amazing scenery, good gameplay, a large world, good music and a pisspoor story.
Fallout captures the post-apocalypse setting very well. Question is if it doesnt do it TOO well, because the grey wasteland sure gets very bleak and similar after a while of exploring. New Vegas does that better imo, as the mojave is more interesting and varying to explore then the mass of grey concrete rubble that is Washington DC. But maybe that's just my personal preferance of the desert.
Music is also great and the gameplay is interesting. My main problem, as with any bethesda game, is the story.
As someone else put it:
As for Skyrim, it excels in what it is suppose to excel in: Exploration. The atmosphere is amazing, the graphics well upgraded from that previous blob Oblivion and gameplay is solid enough to make it a very enjoyable experience. It doesnt suffer from the "bleak and similar"-problem of Fallout 3 because its nature and dungeons offers variation to a greater extent. The dungeon crawling especielly is something Bethesda has pulled off very well.
Again, as with Fallout, the main problem with the game is the pisspoor story.
I suppose I enjoy storydriven games more then exploration-driven games, but I'd live to see some sort of fusion between the two.
In the end, I think Skyrim wins, narrowly. It outshines Fallout in just about every field, but not by a lot.
Fallout captures the post-apocalypse setting very well. Question is if it doesnt do it TOO well, because the grey wasteland sure gets very bleak and similar after a while of exploring. New Vegas does that better imo, as the mojave is more interesting and varying to explore then the mass of grey concrete rubble that is Washington DC. But maybe that's just my personal preferance of the desert.
Music is also great and the gameplay is interesting. My main problem, as with any bethesda game, is the story.
As someone else put it:
I largely agree with this quote, although im clinging to the hope that an exploration game can pull off a well written and interesting story some day. Maybe Bethesda should team up with Bioware, which imo makes some of the most interesting stories on the gaming market.Berenzen said:
As for Skyrim, it excels in what it is suppose to excel in: Exploration. The atmosphere is amazing, the graphics well upgraded from that previous blob Oblivion and gameplay is solid enough to make it a very enjoyable experience. It doesnt suffer from the "bleak and similar"-problem of Fallout 3 because its nature and dungeons offers variation to a greater extent. The dungeon crawling especielly is something Bethesda has pulled off very well.
Again, as with Fallout, the main problem with the game is the pisspoor story.
I suppose I enjoy storydriven games more then exploration-driven games, but I'd live to see some sort of fusion between the two.
In the end, I think Skyrim wins, narrowly. It outshines Fallout in just about every field, but not by a lot.
i played 60 hours of the damed game and i want my money back besides, but thats not why i say its cities all look the same. the reason i say that is theres only so many ways you can make a distroyed city. Now with skyrim its different as they are using REAL nordic and roman building styles. You can find a real life example of every one of those cities if you try. As for the people in those cities, its the gothic period people hate things that are different then them simple as that.Jitters Caffeine said:I play Dungeons and Dragons, I'm very familiar with the fantasy structure. And saying that any city in Fallout looks the same is factually wrong and proves to me you didn't actually play the game. Every city in Skyrim is just another boring medieval city with a population that hates cat and lizard people.ecoho said:ummm im sorry but your just flat out wrong. each city in skyrim looks and feel unique and alive were as the ones in fallout just look like any other distroyed city. Now if you just dislike medevil styles just come out and say it dont go makeing excuses that they all look the same when they dont.
a little off topic but what do you play in D&D?
DC is the only instance of there being widespread destruction. All the actual settlements are amazingly unique and full of personality. A city of children who live in a former field trip site? A settlement made of scavenged pieces from an airfield? A city that a fucking beached Aircraft carrier? Or how about the settlement that's the ONLY FOREST IN THE ENTIRE CAPITAL WASTELAND? None of those are "just destroyed buildings". You're mistaking the setting of the game for the settlements you actually visit. Every city in skyrim is just boring. There's no personality because it's always just a walled city with a population filled with citizens that are indistinguishable from every other city.ecoho said:i played 60 hours of the damed game and i want my money back besides, but thats not why i say its cities all look the same. the reason i say that is theres only so many ways you can make a distroyed city. Now with skyrim its different as they are using REAL nordic and roman building styles. You can find a real life example of every one of those cities if you try. As for the people in those cities, its the gothic period people hate things that are different then them simple as that.Jitters Caffeine said:I play Dungeons and Dragons, I'm very familiar with the fantasy structure. And saying that any city in Fallout looks the same is factually wrong and proves to me you didn't actually play the game. Every city in Skyrim is just another boring medieval city with a population that hates cat and lizard people.ecoho said:ummm im sorry but your just flat out wrong. each city in skyrim looks and feel unique and alive were as the ones in fallout just look like any other distroyed city. Now if you just dislike medevil styles just come out and say it dont go makeing excuses that they all look the same when they dont.
a little off topic but what do you play in D&D?
I play a Cleric. No one crosses the Cudgel.
I had a run in with someone who said they absolutely hated Fallout 3 and New Vegas because they "ruined the series". The only real reason I could get out of them was that they were "different". I've played fallout 1 and 2, and I love them. But I also love Fallout 3 and New Vegas. I just don't understand hatred of something that's just different.TizzytheTormentor said:
Both games contain the usual Bethesda shit(awful story, mediocre gameplay, shit characters, no choices and consenquences, therefore not being worth playing).Luis Alamo said:
Fallout 3 is shit, while Skyrim is just mediocre, so i guess Skyrim is the less terrible one.
So Fallout New Vegas for me. A open world sandbox that's actually worth putting 50+ hours in it.
It's funny. Obsidian's first try in making an Bethesda type game and they nailed it, while Bethesda is making these kind of games for 20 years and only somewhat succeded with Morrowind.
Skyrim was a lifeless, boring dungeon crawler with one dimensional quests and a broken leveling system.
Fallout 3 wasn't.
Though New Vegas is still the better one.
Fallout 3 wasn't.
Though New Vegas is still the better one.
I prefer Fallout 3 over New Vegas and Skyrim. Here's why:
I don't like being the center of attention, IRL and in games. I really don't like being the focus of praise or, at worst, worship, for doing stuff that's - to me - not all that extraordinary.
Skyrim does it the worst. It seems every establishment I go into and do their work, I end up either doing something 'amazing' that everybody lavishes praise and attention on me for, or the leader of the group/place. Thieve's Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Companions, College of Winterhold to name some. Then there's the whole Civil War and Dragons business - which nobody seemed to able to make any progress in until me, a lone soldier, turns up and fixes everything with zero effort. I don't buy it, and it ruined an otherwise benchmark of a game.
New Vegas was a bit of the same, but not at such a scale. I happen to be the dude carrying the item that changes the Wasteland, and somehow that makes me the hero.
House explains that he needed me to go and get the Chip, so he had Victor dig me out and send me to the Lucky 38 - because he's contractually obligated to not send Securitrons into the casino after Benny unless the casino specifically requests them, or under extraordinary circumstances. Well, doesn't the casino owner stealing from House count as breach of contract in the first place? And why *me* specifically? There's plenty of people who don't have bullets in their heads who'd love to work for House directly - with all the benefits that come from that.
The same with the NCR vs Legion war - the whole thing was at a total stalemate until I show up and fix everything with no effort. Shoot dudes > some spy work > world's greatest hero.
Right.
However, in Fallout 3, I feel like I was just 'helping', with the Brotherhood spearheading the operations, and I'm just there to help out, doing other stuff they didn't have the resources for. The final battle for the Purifier - I was just one soldier of many who happened to know the code thanks to my father. My part was bigger than that of any other wastelander or ex-vault resident, but I was born into that and circumstances pushed me deeper into the situation.
I was never asked to do anything massively heroic, like in Skyrim where I was the ONLY ONE who could kill dragons or in New Vegas when I was the ONLY ONE who could decide New Vegas' fate. Most of the stuff I did in Fallout 3 I either just barely managed to pull off or couldn't without heavy armor and weapons, or outfitting my follower with the same. New Vegas I could rofl through with light armor and basic projectile weapons... while everyone revered me as some kind of immortal demi-god - 'The Courier', ooooh.
Right.
I don't like being the center of attention, IRL and in games. I really don't like being the focus of praise or, at worst, worship, for doing stuff that's - to me - not all that extraordinary.
Skyrim does it the worst. It seems every establishment I go into and do their work, I end up either doing something 'amazing' that everybody lavishes praise and attention on me for, or the leader of the group/place. Thieve's Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Companions, College of Winterhold to name some. Then there's the whole Civil War and Dragons business - which nobody seemed to able to make any progress in until me, a lone soldier, turns up and fixes everything with zero effort. I don't buy it, and it ruined an otherwise benchmark of a game.
New Vegas was a bit of the same, but not at such a scale. I happen to be the dude carrying the item that changes the Wasteland, and somehow that makes me the hero.
House explains that he needed me to go and get the Chip, so he had Victor dig me out and send me to the Lucky 38 - because he's contractually obligated to not send Securitrons into the casino after Benny unless the casino specifically requests them, or under extraordinary circumstances. Well, doesn't the casino owner stealing from House count as breach of contract in the first place? And why *me* specifically? There's plenty of people who don't have bullets in their heads who'd love to work for House directly - with all the benefits that come from that.
The same with the NCR vs Legion war - the whole thing was at a total stalemate until I show up and fix everything with no effort. Shoot dudes > some spy work > world's greatest hero.
Right.
However, in Fallout 3, I feel like I was just 'helping', with the Brotherhood spearheading the operations, and I'm just there to help out, doing other stuff they didn't have the resources for. The final battle for the Purifier - I was just one soldier of many who happened to know the code thanks to my father. My part was bigger than that of any other wastelander or ex-vault resident, but I was born into that and circumstances pushed me deeper into the situation.
I was never asked to do anything massively heroic, like in Skyrim where I was the ONLY ONE who could kill dragons or in New Vegas when I was the ONLY ONE who could decide New Vegas' fate. Most of the stuff I did in Fallout 3 I either just barely managed to pull off or couldn't without heavy armor and weapons, or outfitting my follower with the same. New Vegas I could rofl through with light armor and basic projectile weapons... while everyone revered me as some kind of immortal demi-god - 'The Courier', ooooh.
Right.
Well Fallout's setting was far better but the whole 'nothing makes any sense and when we try to fix it we actively insult any player who tried to make a logical decision' problem with the game takes away much of the enjoyable, didnt really have that problem in Skyrim, so I give it to that.
I, on the other hand, enjoyed (old Obsidian) Fallout 1; but massively prefer Bethesda's Fallout 3 and I really can't decide if I prefer itself to Skyrim.Anthraxus said:
I'd say I liked Fallout New Vegas, but thanks to Obsderpian:
The story bored me, as a program it had more bugs in it than the moon has craters, as an multipath RPG it had more dead-end quest lines and dialogue paths than words in the English language; and for immersion, I get more immersed in a stickman cartoon...
I think I came across maybe 10 bugs in my 4 varied Fallout 3 playthroughs, none game-breaking, and about the same so far on Skyrim. With FNV, however, I lost count of the game breaking bugs (let alone regular bugs) to the point where I stopped playing it altogether for a while because it kept crashing; and I bought it 6 months AFTER release. I also came across broken quests, holes in the world, odd texturing on mountains, dialogue that left me having a staring contest with nothing to say, multiple crashes, companions getting stuck in walls... *yawn*. I was disappointed, to say the least.
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So yeah, back OT: I loved Fallout 1, never played F2, absolutely loved F3, loved Oblivion and liked Morrowind, hated NV and love Skyrim. But I can't really decide between Skyrim or F3.
Somebody said it better then my draft did, so yes, Bethesda makes the finest hiking simulators.Kahunaburger said:
Neither because Bethesda can go fuck itself for essentially killing or really hurting Obsidian and making terrible games with terrible engines that also glitch.
Architect style is now color? The fucking cities were different in their building styles but had the same drab colors. I'm sorry but due to their highly realisim style they had to smear pounds of dirt and sawdust onto the players camera so I couldn't see nor care about the one neat arch in that one boring town.SajuukKhar said:
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Same thing as before, Bethesda makes the best hiking and meat-and-fuck simulators around.
Skyrim and FO3 both have 1 flaw that annoy me to no end. Enemies scale to your level, which is irritating because that means you'll never find someone that much stronger than you.
Try that crap in Morrowing or New Vegas, you'll walk into the wrong area, and something will kill you just with a glare. That's how it should be rather than everyone is as pathetically weak as you in the world at your fierce level 1.
In FO3 on the hardest mode with mods to make some things harder I was still able to explore the wasteland despite never visiting a single town. I used what I found on corpses and traders out in the open, it was STILL too easy.
Try that crap in Morrowing or New Vegas, you'll walk into the wrong area, and something will kill you just with a glare. That's how it should be rather than everyone is as pathetically weak as you in the world at your fierce level 1.
In FO3 on the hardest mode with mods to make some things harder I was still able to explore the wasteland despite never visiting a single town. I used what I found on corpses and traders out in the open, it was STILL too easy.