Skyrim - What would you change/add?

[Captain Pirate]

I want randomised mobs.
If anyone's played Fallout 3 and has the Mart's Mutants mod, something along those lines.
As in, with all enemies they have a randomly generated strength, speed, health, and liability to flee battle, so in that FO3 Mod you have a chance to, instead of finding 3 identical mole rats, have a large, dark pink strong one, an average, pale yellow one, and a bright pink weedy one that will run after a few hits.

That's the kind of thing I want.
When I see a bear, I don't want to think of it as just another bear. Maybe a smaller, lighter coloured bear, or a hulking, black, monster of a bear. The same applying for all animals.

Dragons included. I want more variety in them, not just 'ranks' as it is now. If you spawned two Ancient Dragons, for instance, let's say one was weaker than the other, fly around in the sky for longer, and used breath-based attacks whenever it could. This one would be light orange in colour, with curved horns and a rather clean, unscarred body.
The other would be larger, with a dark red body, straight, spiky horns, and a scarred, battle-hardened body. It would be tougher to kill, land more often and it's bites would be more deadly.
So just some variety, not 'Oh, its a ... dragon, I know this routine.' as it is now.

Also, bigger spiders.
Much bigger. I would love a giant, enormous boss Frostbite Spider to fight, and one that doesn't take literally one hit of any of my weapons to kill.

Kids would be nice, too. Nameable ones.
And finally, customisable houses.
When I have my kids, I'll need a mansion. I'm rich enough, and I'm running out of storage for my masses of treasure.
Or, if not customisable houses, a buyable mansion, then.

Apart from that, all I want it more dungeons, missions, and Dwemer ruins to explore really, which will inevitably be in the next DLC.

[small] Captcha: 'Eat your dinner'
Fuck you Captcha, don't tell me what to do![/small]

 

[SajuukKhar]

spears, and give it to obsidian for new dlc content

Why Obsidian?

So they can make it MORE buggy then Bethesda does?

So they can make every characters "thought out" but at the same time give you some idiotic series of speech options that lets you make the badguy suddenly drop his entire life's goal and join you?

So they can fill it with half-finished ideas, such as New Vegas's disguise system, that were clearly not thought-out beyond the initial phase?

Ohh yeah did I mention it would be more buggy the Bethesda's releases?

 

[GundamSentinel]

I could go on.....

Please do, because I don't agree:

-Weekly fire festivals in Solitude when there were previously none
Where no one acknowledges your hand in it all in any meaningful way.

-Having 5 forts, normally full of respawning bandits taken over by w/e side you choose during the civil war, who patrol the fort and the roads around it.
Who, having the same script as every other guard, act oblivious to what actually happened.

-Having several cities Guards, Jarls, Stewards replaced.
But no one seems to care (or even know) beyond the people involved.

-Having reoccurring random encounters with Blood Horkers, Necromancers who tried to corrupt Azura's Star, and remnants of Pryite's afflicted, attack you for revenge for destroying their groups.
Which continue in perpetuity and without aim, completely opposite to the closure that completing the quest should have brought. It's everlasting stalemate.

-Having every person you have ever helped in the game constantly mention it to you when you pass by.
But who will by no act other than outright stating it acknowledge either approval or disapproval. They just mention what happened without letting it have any meaningful impact at all on their interaction with you or anything else.

-Having random thieves attack towns once you take them over for the thieves guild.
And no one in the world cares.

-Having thugs sent after you for stealing things.
While the people actually involved seem utterly oblivious anything happened. But I'll grant you I liked this happening.

-Having people take over the business of other people you killed.
Again, no one seems to care. But again, I liked this one.

Dragons are invading and the country is in the middle of a civil war, for crying out loud! You'd think people would react to that other than stating their opinions on your actions in oneliners as you walk past. Or bands of interchangeable mooks along the road.

I've been replaying Fallout 3 lately, and I must say that even in that game actions had more impact. I'd say the morality system had a lot to do with this as it could make good and evil characters approach you in distinctly different ways based on your actions. It was flawed and simplistic, sure, but it was there nonetheless. The "The Power of the Atom" quest is case in point.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Dragons are invading and the country is in the middle of a civil war, for crying out loud! You'd think people would react to that other than stating their opinions on your actions in oneliners as you walk past. Or bands of interchangeable mooks along the road.

I've been replaying Fallout 3 lately, and I must say that even in that game actions had more impact. I'd say the morality system had a lot to do with this as it could make good and evil characters approach you in distinctly different ways based on your actions. It was flawed and simplistic, sure, but it was there nonetheless. The "The Power of the Atom" quest is case in point.

-Beyond thanking you for getting in reinstated what would they do? It isn't like they would get on their knees and pray to you as a god for it. Yo help get a festival started again, it would involve no amount of reward beyond a simple thank you.

-What do you mean they act oblivious to it? You where there, why on earth would they be like "ohh yeah remember 5 minutes ago when we took this very fort we are standing in?". Also why wouldn't they have the same script as every other guard, they are guards. Also the guards in captured cities DO have city specific dialog concerning the events of the takeover, it just gets filtered through all the other comments that you don't get it often.

-Yes because having the people who heavily supported one side say their blood boils when ever they see you, or saying how much they hate you, as you pass by is them not doing having any reaction to it? Also having every Dunmer in Windhelm say how thankful they are for The empire doesn't exist also right?

-What closure? you never killed of all of them.... why would the ones who had thier lives destroyed not try to get revenge?

-Actually merchants lower their prices, and give you more money when you sell things, for you after helping them. Furthermore NPcs have a random chance to give you items when you walk by after you help them.

-how would they show they are? thieves are common in the world, its like showing care about someone getting into a fist fight at a bar.

-Uhh, why on earth would they act differently after they found out YOU ARE STILL ALIVE, which means THE PEOPLE THEY SENT FAILED. Acting all though and pissed after sending a failed hit attempt only gets you killed. Acting normal MAKES SENSE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DIE. THINK IT THROUGH MAN.

-Because higher prices, and a constant stream of insults over killing the former shopkeeper isn't caring?




Many people do react to the civil war and the dragons, half the NPCs in the game make mention of wanting to leave Skyrim because of it.

Nuking Megaton or not did nothing besides remove the town from the game, and add various "I hate you" one liners to NPCs, and it caused those generic mook badguy hunters to come after you....... just like.... several quests in Skyrim.

 

[Fappy]

Skyrim only needs two things to be super awesome:

1. Spears
2. Mudcrab Merchant

 

[Sande45]

Combat. Especially melee.

As long as the core mechanic of the game is complete bullshit, nothing else really matters.

What does combat need? Player skill. Currently it's pretty much like Runescape where the combatants keep slashing each other until the one with worse skills/equipment dies. The game needs dodging (that one slow motion shield perk was a step in the right direction), proper parrying and shields that actually do shit. I wouldn't mind if they ripped the whole (melee and armor) system from Dark Souls.

When they're done with that, they could fix the boring and grindy crafting skills and the potion system. After all it turned out infinite-ish amount of healing potions that can be used instantly doesn't really work. Shocker, I know.

 

[GundamSentinel]

Many people do react to the civil war and the dragons, half the NPCs in the game make mention of wanting to leave Skyrim webcast of it.

Yes, they mention it. But do you actually see people making that choice? No. The people of Skyrim are good at mentioning things, but just don't do anything. They never change. And that's exactly what I miss.

Nuking Megaton or not did nothing besides remove the town from the game, and add various "I hate you" one liners to NPCs, and it caused those generic mook badguy hunters to come after you....... just like.... several quests in Skyrim.

That's the point, it removed the town from the game. It was a (relatively) large and permanent impact on the game world, exactly the kind that Skyrim didn't have. Sure, it also spawned the same useless mobs and comments, but it also produced something lasting. Skyrim seemed very scared of making lasting changes, like changing the world or killing/changing the status of NPCs. It happened, sure, but very rarely and on a very small scale. And certainly not in a way that seemed to appreciate what happened in the world.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Khar - Is Skyrim like your favorite game of all time or something ?

I've never seen someone feel the need to respond constantly and try and defend a game as much as you do with Skyrim.

It's like your the Toddlers long lost son or something.

Na, my favorite game of All time is Half-Life 2, or maybe Homeworld.

Also, don't you have something better to do, like sit around and watch your dice-roll games play themselves?

Also calling Todd "Toddler" really only makes you seem very immature, and super butthurt that Bethesda can make a game that actually works... while your precious Obsidian cant make a game that is even half as functioning as Bethesda's buggy ass games, or gets even remotely the same reviews scores.

as a retort to your "me being tod's son" remark, I counter with a equally pointless "stop praying to Chris Avellone, and tear down the shine to him you have in your basement" remark.

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People in Skyrim are poor, they CANT act on their desires, most of them make mention of this.

What event can you think of that isn't terribly contrived, like designing a city around a atom bomb just so you could give the player an option to destroy it, would Skyrim have.

Fallout 3's megaton is, if anything, the perfect example of how NOT to do consequence in games. It's consequence was based around an action that wouldn't had anyone had common sense. It's a consequence built around an action that was designed SOLELY to stroke the players ego, and not the result of a well designed world.

I hear people constantly complain about wanting more "consequence" in the game, yet none have ever provided an example that didn't relay on TONS of very very very heavily contrived situations and events to make them work.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

Hotkeys. Not a favorites menu. I want to press 1-9 and pull out the corresponding combat technique or use the corresponding object. I don't want to break the flow and pause the game to dig through my favorites to find the items I want.

 

[ace_of_something]

A lot of the mechanics I was thinking of have already been mentioned here, so I'm going to say something petty.

It drives me crazy how many big box open world games with dozens of sliders for your characters don't allow you to adjust their height. I mean I know that wood elves are shorter and nords are taller, that's a step above a lot of games, but give me a little bit of variation there.

Second gripe: Why the hell are there no spears or polearms in skyrim?

 

[Hylke Langhout]

I'd love a revamp of the inventory and enchanting systems. I hate the fact that you get overencumbered really quickly at lower levels because your stamina sucks.

I also tend not to use enchantments because the whole system is so tedious. It sucks that you have to first disenchant a weapon before you can use that enchantment. Then there's the collecting souls using soul gems that just instantly turns me off the whole ordeal.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I would freaking double the amount of quest givers, double the population of the place and probably double the landmass. There needs to be about 100 hours more content for the mage, fighters, and thief guild quests, along with far more of the less obvious quests - yea, dark brotherhood is there, but I would have liked to be an imperial agent, or somesuch.

But to really feel like a missionary walking into hostile locals you would need a far bigger world with a far bigger population.

... Just thinking about Skyrim simply makes me want to play Morrowind again.

Doubling the amount of quest givers, NPCs, and landmass would mean everything would be half as detailed as it is now.

Do you really want the NPCs, which are generally bland and uninteresting to be MORE so?

And do you really want the radiant quests to be even MORE bland and fetch-like?

I do agree the guild were.... ungodly short... but at least they had better stories then Oblivion's.... just needed to be like twice as long.

 

[Duskflamer]

Disclaimer: I have not played through the entirety of the game yet. I do however have a few things I would like to comment on.

Make the war matter - It seems that every soul in Skyrim, up to and including the Imperial and Stormcloak soldiers, would much rather stand about talking about the war rather than doing anything to further it. When I stumble upon an Imperial outpost, and notice that there's a Stormcloak outpost close enough that it's sowing up on my radar, I want to see the two camps raiding each other now and then, rather than just standing around. I want to see groups of Imperial soldiers trying to storm into Windhelm or Riften, and Stormcloaks attempting to strike at Solitude. As presented, it is nigh on impossible for me to give half a damn about the war, even though it's supposedly the most important thing going on in the game world after the dragon attacks. Speaking of which.

Make the dragons smarter - By my estimation, dragons are an absolute joke unless you die-hardly stick to melee combat. The first few are a challenge as you get the hang of things, but it becomes very easy to find terrain to hide behind while slinging shouts spells and arrows. I'm given to believe that there are some mods out there that alleviate this. Bethesda should be taking notes from these mods.

Improve the economy - This is a problem Bethesda had in Fallout 3 and even back in Oblivion. By mid-game, you have more than enough money for all but the largest expenditures, and it becomes difficult just to find someone who has enough money for you to pawn off your dungeon loot to. Bethesda seriously needs to re-evaluate how it handles the economic matters. Raiding a few dungeons shouldn't be enough to make me richer than someone who has dedicated their lives to managing a store.

Improve stealth mechanics - Here's an anecdote this time, do you all remember that storyline mission where you have to infiltrate the Thalmor embassy? I was psyched as all hell when I started that mission. I had visions in my mind of deftly sneaking around behind the scenes, careful not to alert any of the guards to the fact that I was even there. I carefully prepared my thieves guild armor, lockpicks, and a dagger for the assignment. I got through the opening social segment, slipped away, retrieved my items....and almost immediately there is an inescapable combat encounter. No, not just one, you have to fight through about a dozen guards all told to get through that mission. It's more or less impossible to sneak around them the way they're positioned, they didn't seem to react at all to my attempts to use the Throw Voice shout to get them to look the other way. I had to reload the game, send in some proper weapons and armor, and ungracefully slaughter my way to the information I needed. I have no problem with that method being an option for more combat oriented characters, but a more usable stealth system could have made that mission a much more memorable one.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Improve stealth mechanics - Here's an anecdote this time, do you all remember that storyline mission where you have to infiltrate the Thalmor embassy? I was psyched as all hell when I started that mission. I had visions in my mind of deftly sneaking around behind the scenes, careful not to alert any of the guards to the fact that I was even there. I carefully prepared my thieves guild armor, lockpicks, and a dagger for the assignment. I got through the opening social segment, slipped away, retrieved my items....and almost immediately there is an inescapable combat encounter. No, not just one, you have to fight through about a dozen guards all told to get through that mission. It's more or less impossible to sneak around them the way they're positioned, they didn't seem to react at all to my attempts to use the Throw Voice shout to get them to look the other way. I had to reload the game, send in some proper weapons and armor, and ungracefully slaughter my way to the information I needed. I have no problem with that method being an option for more combat oriented characters, but a more usable stealth system could have made that mission a much more memorable one.

You need to try that mission again, you can get through the thalmor embassy while fighting no one, use invisibility.

I got through it with literally zero kills to my name, and no alarms raised.

 

[Duskflamer]

Improve stealth mechanics - Here's an anecdote this time, do you all remember that storyline mission where you have to infiltrate the Thalmor embassy? I was psyched as all hell when I started that mission. I had visions in my mind of deftly sneaking around behind the scenes, careful not to alert any of the guards to the fact that I was even there. I carefully prepared my thieves guild armor, lockpicks, and a dagger for the assignment. I got through the opening social segment, slipped away, retrieved my items....and almost immediately there is an inescapable combat encounter. No, not just one, you have to fight through about a dozen guards all told to get through that mission. It's more or less impossible to sneak around them the way they're positioned, they didn't seem to react at all to my attempts to use the Throw Voice shout to get them to look the other way. I had to reload the game, send in some proper weapons and armor, and ungracefully slaughter my way to the information I needed. I have no problem with that method being an option for more combat oriented characters, but a more usable stealth system could have made that mission a much more memorable one.

You need to try that mission again, you can get through the thalmor embassy while fighting no one, use invisibility.

I got through it with literally zero kills to my name, and no alarms raised.

I'm not a mage. If the only way to sneak past people is to turn yourself completely invisible, you need to improve your stealth mechanics.

Invisibility is boring, it's easy. I'm sure I could just turn myself invisible and waltz through the compound. That's no more interesting or memorable than fighting through the Thalmor.

When I say I wish I could have done that quest in a more sneaky way, that's not me going through some metagame "beat this quest without killing anyone" challenge, it's me wanting to feel like I'm actually sneaking around.

 

[WaysideMaze]

Apologies in advance, SajuukKhar, if it feels like I'm nitpicking all your posts, it's just you make a lot of interesting points and I want to address them. So again, apologies for the massive wall of text to follow.

The problem with making your character gain ranks in the government is that your character HAS to be forgotten.

I'd say the problem is that Skyrim has your character go from lowly initiate to high supreme ruler of a faction in the space of an afternoon. It's bad enough when I'm announced as Arch Mage of a college that I only enrolled in a few days ago, I can't imagine how dumb the game would be to make you king in an afternoon. The quest lines in Skyrim were embarassingly short, but I'll come back to that later.

As for what to change/add. Make the combat less crap.

Bethesda already made Skyrim
-More diverse in landscape
-Have less copy pasta dungeons
-Made enemies not chace you forever, and actually give you a chance to backoff
-Have a decent enemy/loot scaling system
-Cut out all the unnecessary and useless buildings in cities that served no purpose but to hog resources

Bethesda has the world down, they just need to make the combat more interesting.

I agree with most of your points here, except for the copypasta dungeons. Yes, I know that they had a much larger team actually design them this time, but once I'd seen 10 near identical draugr pits I felt I'd seen them all. I never felt compelled to explore that next dungeon, because I knew full well I'd seen one like it not 5 minutes ago. Yes, the layout might have been different, but the way they looked and played out just felt the same.

Add disguises like what was in Fallout: New Vegas and expand on the Civil War quest-line with this.

Think about it though, what constitutes a disguise? Is it the chest piece? the helm?

Personally I'd say it's the full uniform. If I'm dressed like a Stormcloak soldier, then why would the other stormcloaks doubt me?

Bandits wear ALL TYPES of armor. How are the guards supposed to know if I am a bandit or not by my armor?

Well they wouldn't, but how stupid would it be if they just attacked anyone, regardless of uniform, because they might be a bandit? If you're in the armys uniform, then why doubt if you're a member of the army? Maybe a better way to go about it would be codewords. You know like the 'thunder' 'flash' thing used during WW2. They shout out the word, you respond wrong and they attack. I don't know, but it's an idea.

Also, Stormcloaks and Legion ALREADY do know if you are wearing armor of the opposite faction, but, just because you wear their armor doesn't mean you are actually part of the army, and they have no real way of knowing until you attack them first, so OFC they wont attack you.

But they shou;d. If I'm walking around dressed as an Imperial Soldier, I should expect to be arrested on sight in and around Windhelm. These 2 factions are at war, they shouldn't be showing me leniancy because I might not be a part of the enemy army.

And think about how BAD New Vegas disguises were.
-could wear a full suit of T-51B power armor that fully covers yoru face and no one suspects you are a borterhood of steel agent who JUST REMOVED THE ICON FROM THE ARMOR
-However, put on Ceaser's armor, that covers NONE of your face and everyone forgets who you are and goes gun-ho.

The problem with disguises is that, in a "realistic" setting like Skyrim, they make no sense, and the system wouldn't work, because EVERYONE uses most common types of armor, as they would normally. Which makes putting parameters on them impossible, because the armor would apply to every every faction.

Just because new vegas did the faction armour thing wrong doesn't mean it's a bad idea. I really liked the idea in NV, but like you said it was just implemented in a really silly way. I like this idea, and it could have really extended the civil war questline. A bit of espionage could have been fun.

Bring back attributes but give them a good overhaul. Maybe just have them level based of off of your skills. Also bring back athletics and acrobatics as skills. Lastly bring back the variety of join-able factions that Morrowind had.

As for the factions, go and replay Morrowind factions, look at the story they have...... ohh wait, they HAD no story, morrowind's factions had less story then Skyrim's because when you have so many factions ou cant take the time to make them good, and all of Morrowind's guild quests were just fetch quests. Skyrim and Oblivion have less guild sure, but having 5 good factions with plots > then having 10 factions that have no plots.

Agreed with you on the attributes part, so I've snipped it, but I feel the need to address your point regarding the factions. Mainly, I have 1 thing to say; Skyrims questlines were shit.

Now I'll be honest, it's been a long time since I played Morrowind, and my memory of specific quest lines is a bit hazy, but I remember having a much better time with the House of Telvanni than with the College of Winterhold. With the Telvanni, I remember feeling a real sense of accomplishment when I finally reached that last rank. It felt like I'd really worked for it. In Skyrim all I was left with was a feeling of '...that was it?'

And it was the same for all of the factions. The thieves guild really annoyed me. I couldn't believe it when I entered Riften and found a man in the town square accosting me and trying to get me to join the thieves guild. This is not the way it should be done! Finding a criminal organization should be much more difficult than finding the man doing recruitment drive in the town square. It just felt like lazy design. I'll admit Morrowind fell down here aswell, in that everyone knew exactly where the thieves hung out, but thats no excuse for it here. Especially after Oblivion did the thieves guild so much better. It's like a step backwards.

One word: consequences.

I'd like to see quests having impact on the world. When you finish the main quest in Skyrim, do you know what happens? Nothing. Nothing changes in the world. It's just the same as it was at the very start of the game even though you might have saved it from certain destruction multiple times and may have become a leader of some of the most influential organizations in the land. Nobody even seems to care.

Okay, maybe that's not entirely fair. After all, the guards say new things to you depending on your progress and the occasional dragon might spawn when you roam the land. That's something, right? Right...?

Lets see
-Weekly fire festivals in Solitude when there were previously none
-Having 5 forts, normally full of respawning bandits taken over by w/e side you choose during the civil war, who patrol the fort and the roads around it.
-Having several cities Guards, Jarls, Stewards replaced.
-Having reoccurring random encounters with Blood Horkers, Necromancers who tried to corrupt Azura's Star, and remnants of Pryite's afflicted, attack you for revenge for destroying their groups.
-Having every person you have ever helped in the game constantly mention it to you when you pass by.
-Having random thieves attack towns once you take them over for the thieves guild.
-Having thugs sent after you for stealing things.
-Having people take over the business of other people you killed.

I could go on.....

I never felt like I'd affected the world. I know you've just given a big list, but it just never really felt like I'd made any kind of meaningful impact. People just carried on as they always had done, and it just made me feel like I wasn't all that important in this world.


I really did like Skyrim. Honestly, despite my bitching, I spent a lot of time on it, and there was a lot to love. But I think I'd set my sights for it too high, and it just never met my expectations.

 

[ThePenguinKnight]

Wish blacksmiths and other people who sell and gives minor quests wouldn't get killed off by dragons. I would also like illusion and magic spells in general to scale better.

 

[thesilentman]

-Less buggy,
-Better writing in general

That's my 2 cents

 

[GundamSentinel]

People in Skyrim are poor, they CANT act on their desires, most of them make mention of this.

You know refugees? They're poor, right? Yeah... They couldn't possibly go to another country.

What event can you think of that isn't terribly contrived, like designing a city around a atom bomb just so you could give the player an option to destroy it, would Skyrim have.

I hear people constatly complain about wanting more "consequence" in the game, yet none have ever provided an example that didn;t relay on TONS of very very very heavily contrived situations and events to make them work.

Me: "How about something as simple as building a house?"
Bethesda: "What?! No, people don't build things in games. Houses have to be there from the start. No building!"

"But Dragons and armies destroy things, right? They have to be rebuilt."
"Destroy things? Nuh-uh. They can't do that. That's impossible."

"But it happened in Helgen!"
"Oh yeah, right. But that was a one time event, to start the game properly. Don't you dare touch those ruins though! No building things!"

"And don't people get killed? Don't they get a funeral? Don't people mourn them?"
"Only the great Kodlak can have a funeral. The rest of them we just warp into the crypt. We'll send you a nice letter though."

"But this giant spider killed this poor quest giver. Doesn't his family care?"
"Sorry about that, console commands will remedy that."

"That's not what I meant."
"I know."

"And it's started to rain as well. Damn. Hey, what about the weather? Won't the seasons change?"
"What? We have snow in the north and no snow in the south. Problem solved."

"And it's been a year since I found this random trinket for this shopkeeper, why does he still keep mentioning it? It's nice to get a discount, but this is getting creepy."
"That's to make sure you know you're appreciated."

"Hey, I think I just killed my 1000th Afflicted. Do you think they'll ever catch on to the idea that they're basically fighting a demigod?"
"Nah, they're very tenacious."

"And those bandits, don't they know who I am by now? Is that tenacity as well?"
"No, they're just very competitive."

"I saved the world from being destroyed by dragons and I stopped the war. They should celebrate me in the streets, build a statue, or a shrine, or grant me some nice farmland so I can retire or at least give me some money. What's up?"
"Well, you know how busy everyone is... doing the things they do. I don't think they noticed. Wait, did you say 'build'? You want to build things again, don't you? I've got your number, there'll be none of that!
The guards appreciate you though, but they're a bit shy. They're baking a cake for you. [sup][sub](That's a lie.)[/sub][/sup]"

That's all very contrived of course. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[SajuukKhar]

As much as I do love old school d&d style dice rolling RPGs, I can still enjoy an ARPG if it actually has good gameplay (like Dark Souls) OR good story elements, like Vampire Bloodlines say. Unfourtinatly Skyrim has neither.

Dark souls... the game that was only hard because the gameplay was so imbalanced against you... not because the enemies were actually smart, or had good AI. such GREAT gameplay there.

Also, Elder scrolls has a FAR better story then it appears t, or not to more preciesly.

Elder Scrolls isn't like a Bioware or OBsidian game were they force feed you the plot through heavily controlled environments.

Its a series who true plot, and whose true meaning can only be understood by understanding the mythic symbolism used through the games, its something that can only bee understood by reading every books and understanding how all the contradictions about the god or events actually aren't.

I doubt you understand ANYTHING about the plot of Skyrim, I doubt you know what CHIM is, or what The towers are, or mantling, or the truth behind Talos, of how Lorkhan is Akatosh and what that really means.

Your judging a story that your missing 90% of.

Furthermore neither Vampire or Planescpae had great stories, they were full of terrible cliche and badp lto twists. Vamprie had one of the worst endings in video games I can think of... "the think you were trying to get was really a bomb the whole time" and you kill yourself in several endings, or let someone else take the bomb to the face.

Why do you keep harping on bugs when they get fixed but shitty writing and game design never does ?

And again with the bs meaningless mainstream review scores. Herp.

The thing is OBSIDIAN NEVER FIXES ITS BUGS

That they have better writing is 100% meaningless because they never do anything to actually fix their games to make them playable.

Writing the best book ever written is meaningless if you can't get it printed on paper that doesn't decay after 3 minutes so that people can actually read it.

Also that excuse is one of the most retarded ever, its almost as dumb and idiotic as blaming the publishers for all of Obsidian's faults. Its a last resort card used because there is no REAL justification for how bad Obsidian's games are beyond the fact that they suck at making games.

Reviews scores are only meaningless to you because they take you away from the fantasy world you live in and force you to deal wit the truth of how bad Obsidian is at game making.

And Avellone only has about 100x as much talent when it comes to writing and story elements compared to the stooges over at Bethesda.

Funny because all of his games are full of terribly cliches.

Every Fallout Villain ever is a stereotypical cliche.

And if he was so much better at writing, why cant he write a game that gets good reviews?