Skyrim Will Use Steamworks

[Llil]

Why would you be running antivirus in the background? It uses up resources and you're not in control of everything it does.

You're in control when Steam is running. You know that Steam is running, you can control what games it's running, if it uses its online features or not, etc. It doesn't look through your files for credit card information to sell to companies. It doesn't take any control away from you. Maybe if it picked what games you wanted to play for you I would agree with you.

You see, if the antivirus isn't running, it won't detect viruses. If you're using Windows, you probably have a list of small icons on the lower right corner of your screen. Chances are, one of them is for your antivirus. That means the program is running and will help keep your computer virus free.

Anyway, here's my suggestion for making Steam not suck as much. After I've registered and installed a game, let me uninstall Steam and just play the game, with the disc or not. This keeps the copy protection with the registration, but avoids elevating my blood pressure too much. Or even better, don't make me install Steam at all and let me register my games on the Steam website.

 

[Balobo]

Why would you be running antivirus in the background? It uses up resources and you're not in control of everything it does.

You're in control when Steam is running. You know that Steam is running, you can control what games it's running, if it uses its online features or not, etc. It doesn't look through your files for credit card information to sell to companies. It doesn't take any control away from you. Maybe if it picked what games you wanted to play for you I would agree with you.

You see, if the antivirus isn't running, it won't detect viruses. If you're using Windows, you probably have a list of small icons on the lower right corner of your screen. Chances are, one of them is for your antivirus. That means the program is running and will help keep your computer virus free.

Anyway, here's my suggestion for making Steam not suck as much. After I've registered and installed a game, let me uninstall Steam and just play the game, with the disc or not. This keeps the copy protection with the registration, but avoids elevating my blood pressure too much. Or even better, don't make me install Steam at all and let me register my games on the Steam website.

Do you play any games with multiplayer? Just a question.

Even if you don't, I don't see why having the option of extra features makes you so angry lol

Also, my system is naturally virus free.

 

[Grandpappyduplenty]

...seriously? Wow, that's actually a pretty fucking great approach from Bethesda
(assuming it is indeed true) Glad to see they are so supportive of the modding community. (if it is true) (which it might sadly not be, but we'll see)

Well from what I've read, it won't be available on release, but they're working on it, Todd Howard said how sad he was that most of the audience weren't experiencing all the fun simply for the lack of an expensive PC - so it won't be day one, but they'll get there eventually. It's quoted on a fair few sites, some vigilant use of google should bring you up some information.

 

[Llil]

Do you play any games with multiplayer? Just a question.

Even if you don't, I don't see why having the option of extra features makes you so angry lol

Also, my system is naturally virus free.

I don't have the option of extra features. I'm being forced to use a system I don't need.

And no, I don't play that much multiplayer games. Some Mount&Blade:Warband every once in a while, but that's pretty much it.

Speaking of M&B, I bought a retail copy, and guess what, it uses Steam. However, after registering the game, I clicked the "Show multiplayer cd-key" -button, downloaded a proper, Steam-free version of the game from TaleWorlds' website, and installed that instead. (Steam keys are 5x5 characters, the M&B keys are 4x4). Now I can enjoy my M&B without getting bullied by Steam. I shouldn't have to go through that much trouble.

 

[Balobo]

Speaking of M&B, I bought a retail copy, and guess what, it uses Steam. However, after registering the game, I clicked the "Show multiplayer cd-key" -button, downloaded a proper, Steam-free version of the game from TaleWorlds' website, and installed that instead. (Steam keys are 5x5 characters, the M&B keys are 4x4). Now I can enjoy my M&B without getting bullied by Steam. I shouldn't have to go through that much trouble.

You're not being bullied, Steam's not threatening you or anything. It's a program that takes thirty fucking seconds to launch, it shouldn't bother you as much as it is The only negative thing it's doing is taking up some RAM that you weren't going to be using anyways.

 

[Llil]

You're not being bullied, Steam's not threatening you or anything. It's a program that takes thirty fucking seconds to launch, it shouldn't bother you as much as it is The only negative thing it's doing is taking up some RAM that you weren't going to be using anyways.

It is bullying me by forcing me to do unnecessary things that make me uncomfortable. I admit, it's not the worst kind of bullying, but I'm still not going to tolerate it.

I don't think it bothers me too much, it bothers other people too little. As a result, this sort of thing happens. Bullying becomes the norm and people who don't like it are called weird.

I expect to have my sandwitches shit-free, damnit!

 

[Balobo]

You're not being bullied, Steam's not threatening you or anything. It's a program that takes thirty fucking seconds to launch, it shouldn't bother you as much as it is The only negative thing it's doing is taking up some RAM that you weren't going to be using anyways.

It is bullying me by forcing me to do unnecessary things that make me uncomfortable. I admit, it's not the worst kind of bullying, but I'm still not going to tolerate it.

I don't think it bothers me too much, it bothers other people too little. As a result, this sort of thing happens. Bullying becomes the norm and people who don't like it are called weird.

I expect to have my sandwitches shit-free, damnit!

It makes you uncomfortable? Really? All you have to do is click on the name of your game and launch it. If that makes you uncomfortable then I would hate to see what else gaming-related makes you feel uncomfortable

 

[Llil]

It makes you uncomfortable? Really? All you have to do is click on the name of your game and launch it. If that makes you uncomfortable then I would hate to see what else gaming-related makes you feel uncomfortable

It does, and I have no idea why it doesn't make others feel the same way. You are being mistreated, people. Can't you see it? Wake up!

It's fun to argue sometimes, but I don't think this conversation is going anywhere anymore. So if you'll excuse me, I'll go do something else, like play all the great games that don't force Steam down my throat.

 

[Balobo]

It makes you uncomfortable? Really? All you have to do is click on the name of your game and launch it. If that makes you uncomfortable then I would hate to see what else gaming-related makes you feel uncomfortable

It does, and I have no idea why it doesn't make others feel the same way. You are being mistreated, people. Can't you see it? Wake up!

It's fun to argue sometimes, but I don't this conversation is going anywhere anymore. So if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go do something else, like play all the great games that don't force Steam down my throat.

Steam isn't mistreating anybody. It's a neat little gaming platform that gives you many social options. If you don't want those social features, just launch the game and ignore them.

 

[robert01]

Well I am glad to see that this game will be just as unstable if not more than New Vegas. Good going Bethesda!

 

[Signa]

Personally, I'm OK with it because I like having Steam track my progress and launch my games, but I know there are going to be people out there pissed by this.

You're always, ALWAYS, going to have people pissed at something about any game. Usually, depending if the game is actually good, these people make up a small percentage of the market and most end up buying the game anyways. Just remember, haters gonna hate, bitches gonna *****.

Yeah, it does go without saying. I do think it is a fair argument, though rather moot because Steam has set itself as an exception. I always am hesitant to install anything on my PC that I don't absolutely want, and if I didn't have Steam by this point, I really don't want it at all. Forcing some one to use a program unrelated to the one they want to use is akin to spyware.

bah, this might seem cool, but compared to both Morrowind and Oblivion, this is a huge step backwards. Both those games let me use CD-less options instead of installing securom or some other shit. By making it Steam only, they are screwing over a lot of people who don't want to have anything to do with Steam.

Personally, I'm OK with it because I like having Steam track my progress and launch my games, but I know there are going to be people out there pissed by this.

Note: My post has nothing to do with piracy. I just liked being able to rip my games to an .iso format and use a drive emulation program to keep things simple. Oblivion was one of the last games that let me do that without having to go online for a CD hack. One more reason why I've become such a Steam convert is because I don't need to deal with the disks at all.

Really? Oblivion lets you do that?

Was that in a patch or something?

I don't remember it not working that way, and it certainly works that way now. The drive emulation program I use does have some emulation of disk-checks like Securom, but it's dated and doesn't work on most games newer than Oblivion. Even after the gobs of mods I've installed, including the new .exe for the script extender, I still need to "insert" the disk when I want to play.

One thing I remember clearly was reading some post on a forum about the DRM in Oblivion and the poster said something like "thank your stars that Bethesda only asks for your CD and that it works with Daemon Tools. They took a leap of faith in trusting you, so don't do them wrong." I'm paraphrasing a bit since that was 6 years ago I read that, but it was one of those things you remember because it did make me feel better about Bethesda as a company. That is what inspired my first post because Steam is a step backwards. We aren't as trustworthy anymore I guess. Thanks for making me feel awesome Bethesda.

 

[Malk_Content]

It may have something to do with DRM and them not trusting us, or it maybe that they feel Steamworks with its surrounding trappings is best for their game. People like having achievements, for example, and steam allows for the recording and comparing of achievements not just within one game but for all games (that have them) that a person owns. If they are planning to allow mods on the console version, they might be running a slightly tighter ship with a controlled modding area (like in Civ V) and thus they could be using Steam for that. They might be doing it because the majority of pc gamers already use steam and of them most love it, so it is a smart pr move to associate your game with a popular service. Maybe they know it'll be buggy as hell (it is a bethesda game afterall) at release and like Steams patching method so they can quickly get patches out. Or like you say it could solely be they no longer trust their customers.

 

[TheDark12]

Best news I've heard all day. If this game wasn't already a must buy, it certainly is now. And...correct me if I'm wrong...but by using Steamworks, does this mean that Skyrim will be unavailable on Origin? Icing on the cake! Tee hee.

Yeah, of course. Origin only sells games published by EA.

 

[Murahk]

You're not being bullied, Steam's not threatening you or anything. It's a program that takes thirty fucking seconds to launch, it shouldn't bother you as much as it is The only negative thing it's doing is taking up some RAM that you weren't going to be using anyways.

It is bullying me by forcing me to do unnecessary things that make me uncomfortable. I admit, it's not the worst kind of bullying, but I'm still not going to tolerate it.

I don't think it bothers me too much, it bothers other people too little. As a result, this sort of thing happens. Bullying becomes the norm and people who don't like it are called weird.

I expect to have my sandwitches shit-free, damnit!

You sir, are my hero. I won't stand for this shit-filled sandwich either! If I buy retail, with a disc, I want to use the DISC! If I buy digital, via Steam, I want to use Steam. Don't make me install shit I don't want or don't need. I picked my version, GIVE ME THAT VERSION!

People keep bringing up the "It's not very resource intensive" and "There's lots of nice features." No, maybe it isn't very resource intensive, but "not very" does not equal "none". It's not THAT much of a hassle, which means it's STILL a hassle. And I don't use, want or need any of the extra features Steam provides. Sure it's a nice OPTION, but that's all it should be, an OPTION.

If I don't want to use Steam, why are you making me? This is a monopoly and akin to forcing me to follow a certain religious view when I don't want to.
I, for one, join Llil in his noble quest for shit-free sandwiches!

 

[Tayh]

If you're worried about Skyrim requiring players to deal with terrible DRM software, don't worry: Steamworks is the only thing Bethesda's planning on.

Uh huh. Yeah, what? Steam is the definition of terrible DRM sofware.

Aside from the fact that Steamworks is far less frustrating to deal with DRM software that's always on, it means that Valve's Steam service will be fully integrated with the game.

Again, what? Steam ALWAYS needs to be on, even if you just want to play a singleplayer game.

Did valve sponsor this article?

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

If you're worried about Skyrim requiring players to deal with terrible DRM software, don't worry: Steamworks is the only thing Bethesda's planning on.

Uh huh. Yeah, what? Steam is the definition of terrible DRM sofware.

Aside from the fact that Steamworks is far less frustrating to deal with DRM software that's always on, it means that Valve's Steam service will be fully integrated with the game.

Again, what? Steam ALWAYS needs to be on, even if you just want to play a singleplayer game.

Did valve sponsor this article?

Not exactly true, while you need to be online to activate games via steamworks, you can go 'offline' by simply changing your mode to 'offline mode'. This allows you to escape having to patch your game every five seconds, but that can be turned off too....

 

[Tayh]

Going 'offline mode' still means having to start up steam. How is that a solution?
Regardless, valve is trying to create a monopoly with steam, and I will not support them in that.

 

[Atmos Duality]

So you still have to install Steam to play, even if you don't want/like it?

That's still kind of silly.

That's DRM in a nutshell.
Nobody wants it except the developers/publishers.

Steamworks annoys me when I have to log in every damn day just to play my games, but at least it isn't as crippling as Always Online DRM.