Skyward Sword

[josh797]

damn straight yahtzee. fuck Fi. seriously. the worst character. ill take navi over fi. at least navi didn't forcibly stop the game every fucking second to tell me shit i already knew. so far, yeah a couple fetch quests, nothing egregious, and the temples which are 90% of the game are pretty great. hard to say whether it beats wind waker. i know its much easier though :-(

 

[Something Amyss]

One complaint that usually gets directed at me at this juncture is that pointing out how samey the games are has become a tired argument. I fucking agree, it certainly has, and yet, the problem hasn't gone anywhere, so I'm going to keep using it.

agreed, but I have a bone to pick with the next line:

You wouldn't tell those Occupy Wall Street to sod off because their complaints are getting repetitive.

I wouldn't, you wouldn't, but a good chunk of people would. And have. People are "sick of" Occupy's complaints, even though the problems aren't fixed. Similarly, people were "sick of" protests over the War in Iraq, the PATRIOT ACT, and so on. It's one of the reasons I'm pretty sure SOPA will eventually pass, because eventually the same people who are all "THEYZ GUN TAEK MAH UTOOB!!!!!" Will be all "I'm sick of people bitching about this."

What I'm saying is, they will do it for Occupy. And if they will do it for that, you're damn right people will do it for a video game.

And yet most other reviewers consider this to be the best 3D Zelda game. Maybe they have some different ideas of "fun".

Critics who really shouldn't be into dubstep are praising dubstep as a phenomenon. It's possible that Dubstep is just that awesome, but more likely that people are being cowed into speaking extra nicely about it for fear of being considered dated.

It's also possible that everyone but Yahtzee loves the game and thinks it is without sin, but it's more likely that an industry that is quick to heap false praise on games is still doing it. Doesn't mean that the game isn't fun, or good, but I kind of have to apply the Occarina's Razor of Time here. Perhaps it's still not worthy of the praise it's getting, in the vein of just how fun it is. And just how good it is. People in the ZP thread were trying to deny that the game even had the flaws Yahtzee brought up. A lot of reviewers won't even go there.

 

[nbamaniac]

As a biased gamer who didn't feel much praise for any Zelda game (except for A Link to the Past and the Minish Cap), damn this post felt good. xD

If there's a game that should be exposed more, it must be Golden Sun.

*Searches through armory for flame shield*

 

[Sean951]

One complaint that usually gets directed at me at this juncture is that pointing out how samey the games are has become a tired argument. I fucking agree, it certainly has, and yet, the problem hasn't gone anywhere, so I'm going to keep using it.

agreed, but I have a bone to pick with the next line:

You wouldn't tell those Occupy Wall Street to sod off because their complaints are getting repetitive.

I wouldn't, you wouldn't, but a good chunk of people would. And have. People are "sick of" Occupy's complaints, even though the problems aren't fixed. Similarly, people were "sick of" protests over the War in Iraq, the PATRIOT ACT, and so on. It's one of the reasons I'm pretty sure SOPA will eventually pass, because eventually the same people who are all "THEYZ GUN TAEK MAH UTOOB!!!!!" Will be all "I'm sick of people bitching about this."

What I'm saying is, they will do it for Occupy. And if they will do it for that, you're damn right people will do it for a video game.

And yet most other reviewers consider this to be the best 3D Zelda game. Maybe they have some different ideas of "fun".

Critics who really shouldn't be into dubstep are praising dubstep as a phenomenon. It's possible that Dubstep is just that awesome, but more likely that people are being cowed into speaking extra nicely about it for fear of being considered dated.

It's also possible that everyone but Yahtzee loves the game and thinks it is without sin, but it's more likely that an industry that is quick to heap false praise on games is still doing it. Doesn't mean that the game isn't fun, or good, but I kind of have to apply the Occarina's Razor of Time here. Perhaps it's still not worthy of the praise it's getting, in the vein of just how fun it is. And just how good it is. People in the ZP thread were trying to deny that the game even had the flaws Yahtzee brought up. A lot of reviewers won't even go there.

Yup, almost the entire industry is scared to make fun of Zelda. I'm sure that's it.

 

[WanderingFool]

Thank you Croshaw, Thank you...

Mmmm... really thats all I have to say now...

 

[Raggedstar]

I agree with just about everything Yahtzee said. I won't defend Skyward Sword's faults, even though I still genuinely liked the game. I found it fun, though I guess it's because I sort of fared better through the game's shortcomings. Read some of the replies on the previous thread and shook my head at some of the defences.

The final arc with the fetch quests was a joke. 100% padding, 100% unneeded, WHY was it there? If there was a fast travel thing like TP then I wouldn't have minded as much, but since I was forced to go back and forth between areas by foot and bird, escort the little robot, running everywhere. Sheesh.

OH AND THAT ENDING! Despite how generic Zelda was here, I was happy to see her and Link back together. The whole thing with Impa I could stand too, though we never get enough exposure to connect. But the thing with Fi? Felt NOTHING. Midna was adorable, interesting design, her arc was great, she really did aide you in your quest (can't remember when she ever was annoying), and...er...she was SO DAMN ADORABLE. Whenever something happened to her, there would be an emotion. Fi...not so much. She was pretty when she was dancing and her general design was cool, but her speech pattern, constant nagging, and her singing (0___0) was...bad. I never felt anything for her, and the ending just seemed like they were trying to squeeze any sort of response out of my cynical little heart. Above everything else (motion controls, samey designs, etc) I would stand behind Yahtzee and those who share that opinion on Fi. I honestly can't think of a single defence for her.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

 

[Worgen]

I probably wouldn't have enjoyed twilight princess half as much if it wasn't for Midna, I think she is one of the most interesting chars in any game and she is certainly one of the best if not the best sidekick char in any game.

 

[Hal10k]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

If you didn't notice them, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It just means you didn't notice them, or didn't consider them to be flaws. Because you're a different person. Who has different opinions. That are different from Yahtzee's. Which are also different. Because you're different people.

 

[TheomanZero]

I played and preferred the Wii version of Twilight Princess, not because of the motion-controlled sword-swinging (which was pointless and would have been better accomplished by a button press), but because of the pointer. I'm a firm believer that the Wii Remote's motion controls are useless for serious action games (though a shake here and there is harmless), but the pointer is something really worthwhile. Whenever I aimed the bow or clawshots with the pointer in Twilight Princess, I flashed back to the shooting gallery games in Ocarina of Time and how they would have been much easier like this. Aiming with the pointer is much faster and more accurate than using the control stick, and for me that more than made up for the (mercifully sparse) motion controls.
Personally, I was hoping that Nintendo's next controller was just going to be a regular controller with that pointer on it. I suppose that camera and the touch screen are like the pointer but better, so I'm happy now, though I probably would have been satisfied by just a controller with a decent amount of buttons.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

If you didn't notice them, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It just means you didn't notice them, or didn't consider them to be flaws. Because you're a different person. Who has different opinions. That are different from Yahtzee's. Which are also different. Because you're different people.

Having a different opinion is one thing, but saying nothing but the meanest and cruelest insults imaginable is another.

There's a common saying where I come from, it goes something like: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Constructive criticism is one thing, but spewing hatred and bile is another thing entirely, and it certainly isn't comedy.

Imagine that I verbally ripped everything you hold dear to shreds. How exactly would anyone in their right mind find that funny?

 

[NerfedFalcon]

I played and preferred the Wii version of Twilight Princess, not because of the motion-controlled sword-swinging (which was pointless and would have been better accomplished by a button press), but because of the pointer. I'm a firm believer that the Wii Remote's motion controls are useless for serious action games (though a shake here and there is harmless), but the pointer is something really worthwhile. Whenever I aimed the bow or clawshots with the pointer in Twilight Princess, I flashed back to the shooting gallery games in Ocarina of Time and how they would have been much easier like this. Aiming with the pointer is much faster and more accurate than using the control stick, and for me that more than made up for the (mercifully sparse) motion controls.
Personally, I was hoping that Nintendo's next controller was just going to be a regular controller with that pointer on it. I suppose that camera and the touch screen are like the pointer but better, so I'm happy now, though I probably would have been satisfied by just a controller with a decent amount of buttons.

I agree. I had a lot of trouble trying to play Black Ops Zombies and Halo: Reach on Xbox 360, but I can play Metroid Prime just fine. I also agree that the "waggle" command is kind of annoying, though it never hampered my enjoyment very much...

 

[Epona]

What little I played of the game:

- The graphics sucked on a 40 inch 1080p HDTV
- The art style sucked
- The controls sucked, I honestly preferred the waggle of TP. I can't be bothered to be perfect. I really prefer a standard controller.
- The enemies seemed to be designed around the controls instead of around good gameplay
- The world seemed very small, perhaps because it was broken up into disconnected sections unlike how Hyrule field/the ocean was connected to everything else

If you really have to keep returning to places, well, that's no better than Phantom Hourglass.

 

[Ariyura]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

If you didn't notice them, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It just means you didn't notice them, or didn't consider them to be flaws. Because you're a different person. Who has different opinions. That are different from Yahtzee's. Which are also different. Because you're different people.

Having a different opinion is one thing, but saying nothing but the meanest and cruelest insults imaginable is another.

There's a common saying where I come from, it goes something like: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Constructive criticism is one thing, but spewing hatred and bile is another thing entirely, and it certainly isn't comedy.

Imagine that I verbally ripped everything you hold dear to shreds. How exactly would anyone in their right mind find that funny?

You learn to turn the other cheek and move on. I loved Catherine but I can still enjoy Yahtzee's review of it. His review in no way is going to stop me from loving the game. Take it with pure entertainment value instead of a personal attack.

 

[itsmeyouidiot]

What little I played of the game:

- The controls sucked, I honestly preferred the waggle of TP. I can't be bothered to be perfect. I really prefer a standard controller.

You not taking the time to figure out how to work the controls =/= bad controls. I thought the controls were bad, too, but then I learned exactly how to work them to get maximum responsiveness. There's a difference between bad controls and you simply being bad at the controls.

- The enemies seemed to be designed around the controls instead of around good gameplay.

I'm pretty sure controls and gameplay are nearly synonymous. They're based around the controls, which are good, and are thus based around good gameplay.

- The world seemed very small, perhaps because it was broken up into disconnected sections unlike how Hyrule field/the ocean was connected to everything else

I fail to see how this is a flaw.

 

[Epona]

You not taking the time to figure out how to work the controls =/= bad controls. I thought the controls were bad, too, but then I learned exactly how to work them to get maximum responsiveness. There's a difference between bad controls and you simply being bad at the controls.

The old "you're doing it wrong" defense. I simply don't like the controls, it's an opinion. This was supposed to be motion controls done right, well, if this is right then I want no more of it.

I'm pretty sure controls and gameplay are nearly synonymous. They're based around the controls, which are good, and are thus based around good gameplay.

I simply don't find it fun to have to swing vertical or horizontal for EVERY enemy. Bosses yes but small, insignificant enemies should be hack and slash.

Anyway, if the controls and gameplay are nearly synonymous and I don't enjoy the controls....you get the idea, yea?

I fail to see how this is a flaw.

You fail to see how the controls are flawed too and how enemies designed around those flawed controls are flawed so....go figure.

Dear Escapist, many of these fuckin captchas are unreadable. How many fuckin' times do we have to prove that we aren't bots?

 

[Hal10k]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

If you didn't notice them, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It just means you didn't notice them, or didn't consider them to be flaws. Because you're a different person. Who has different opinions. That are different from Yahtzee's. Which are also different. Because you're different people.

Having a different opinion is one thing, but saying nothing but the meanest and cruelest insults imaginable is another.

There's a common saying where I come from, it goes something like: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Constructive criticism is one thing, but spewing hatred and bile is another thing entirely, and it certainly isn't comedy.

Imagine that I verbally ripped everything you hold dear to shreds. How exactly would anyone in their right mind find that funny?

Considering that my personal game of the year is Skyrim, which half of the internet seems to regard as their personal punching bag, I'd like to imagine that I'd react rather well.

You and I seem to have a different definition of "constructive criticism". to me, constructive criticism is any criticism that highlights specific portions of something that the critic thinks would improve the quality of the product if changed. Saying "This game sucks" without going into any further detail would not be constructive criticism. Saying "This game sucks because I found the motion controls iffy, disliked the characters, disliked the fact that I didn't see any major improvements over previous installments and disliked the way the way the entire thing was structured in comparison to example games A and B" is constructive criticism. It doesn't necessarily have to be phrased kindly, sso long as the actual criticisms are constructive.

 

[Cody Holden]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

If you didn't notice them, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It just means you didn't notice them, or didn't consider them to be flaws. Because you're a different person. Who has different opinions. That are different from Yahtzee's. Which are also different. Because you're different people.

Having a different opinion is one thing, but saying nothing but the meanest and cruelest insults imaginable is another.

There's a common saying where I come from, it goes something like: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Constructive criticism is one thing, but spewing hatred and bile is another thing entirely, and it certainly isn't comedy.

Imagine that I verbally ripped everything you hold dear to shreds. How exactly would anyone in their right mind find that funny?

As a Warhammer fan, I can say I've taken my share of lumps from Yahtzee this year (and we didn't even get a video), so I feel I'm allowed to say that you need to learn how to read Yahtzee (or anyone) without taking it personally or even seriously. He gets paid to say the meanest things he can about games. Thus, he's going to do that.

Besides, is constructive criticism even constructive when it comes to Nintendo these days? No matter what the reviewers say they'll continue pumping out the same four games, and everyone will keep on buying them. It makes me sick.

 

[RedMage]

I'm earnestly surprised that you're taking the time to reply to these kinds of posts. It must have really gotten to you. Generally, bumblefucks are going to be bumblefucks and being in the good favor of a bumblefuck isn't really a life-goal if you ask me.

In fact, the article has a faint angsty odor to it, doesn't it? I came out of it with less than I normally do--there wasn't as much said. But I did appreciate your iteration of the stupidity of motion controls. I'll be sure to reference you.