Skyward Sword

[ACman]

Having a different opinion is one thing, but saying nothing but the meanest and cruelest insults imaginable is another.

There's a common saying where I come from, it goes something like: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Constructive criticism is one thing, but spewing hatred and bile is another thing entirely, and it certainly isn't comedy.

Imagine that I verbally ripped everything you hold dear to shreds. How exactly would anyone in their right mind find that funny?

Jesus F. Mothering Christ. IT'S A GAME!

He had an opinion on a videogame which you disagree with and you act like he went over to your house, blasphemed your religion, insulted your mother told you you smell and insinuated that all your ancestors were all murderers, conmen and rapists.

 

[Carnagath]

Without exaggerating I can name about 20 or 30 flaws in Skyward Sword including some and even more of what Yahtzee mentioned.

Name them.

The "flaws" that Mr. Crosshaw mentioned aren't flaws at all, because I did not notice them and they did not hinder my enjoyment in any way whatsoever.

If you didn't notice them, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It just means you didn't notice them, or didn't consider them to be flaws. Because you're a different person. Who has different opinions. That are different from Yahtzee's. Which are also different. Because you're different people.

Having a different opinion is one thing, but saying nothing but the meanest and cruelest insults imaginable is another.

There's a common saying where I come from, it goes something like: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Constructive criticism is one thing, but spewing hatred and bile is another thing entirely, and it certainly isn't comedy.

Imagine that I verbally ripped everything you hold dear to shreds. How exactly would anyone in their right mind find that funny?

"Everything you hold dear" is some Zelda game? What the hell is wrong with, you know, people these days? Damn...

Stop being such big crybabies and learn to respect the opinion of someone else who has actually played "your" game and is pointing out why they did not enjoy it. People are so spoiled, honestly.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

I will now prove you wrong, Yahtzee.

I loved Skyward Sword and none of your complaints about the game proved detrimental to the fun and enjoyment I derived from the game.

And, gasp of gasps, my opinion is just as equally valid as yours is. Not saying you're wrong, or I'm right, but many of the flaws of the game I either felt were so insignificant as to be nothing more than nitpicks or I felt were mechanics that I felt I enjoyed.

You criticize the motion controls? I love them. You criticize the art style? I love it. You criticize the characters and story? I found both fantastic. I felt the world, while not quite as diverse as, say, Koholint Island, was still bristling with stuff to do, games to play, treasures to find, enemies to battle, puzzles to solve, terrain to navigate, items to use, secrets to discover, and much, much more.

I wholeheartedly disagree... Most of my 30 hours of gameplay involved main story quests which did indeed feel like padding for the most part. I enjoyed the individual dungeons, but the overworld left much to be desired. I finished every sidequest and got every item... For the first time in any Zelda game ever. I even checked online. Yup, got them all. Unbelievable. But hey, if you like the smallest and simplest Zelda game since Ocarina of Time, whatevs.

You criticize the "sameyness" of Zelda, and I attest that Skyward Sword is more fresh than Call of Duty,

No one's arguing there.

Assassin's Creed,

I'd argue if it was just AC1 and AC2, but Brotherhood felt like a sidestep (aside from the brilliant multiplayer). Haven't played Revelations.[/quote]

Halo,

Now hold on, just because you don't like a franchise doesn't mean you can just go kicking it around. Bungie consistently made renovations to the gameplay and game structure from game to game, leaving us with one of the best Matchmaking systems gaming has ever seen (not to mention the daily challenges, which are fun to complete with a friend).

Saints Row the Third,

The hell...

Uncharted 3,

I didn't play it, but Yahtzee did indeed complain about this game.

Gears of War 3,

I didn't like the first, and I haven't heard anything amazing about the other two.

and so many others,

Yes...

even Skyrim.

Now hold the fucking phone. Skyrim has a lot of faults with it. I'm 14 hours in and already I've laughed at some of its bugs. What absolutely no one can say about Elder Scrolls is that it is samey. It makes massive leaps and bounds between each game while keeping the core mechanics and designs intact. Skyrim itself is by far one of the most diverse playgrounds ever. Already I have dozens of dungeons I've yet to explore because I'm still a fairly low level, but just today I helped a crew of bandits take down a duo of giants, and you should have seen those bandits go flying through the air when they were hit with a giant's club. After pillaging the corpses, I discovered a Dwemer ruin full of mechanical spiders and ruined machinery, none of which having any explanation or context that I could find. Next, I came upon a slumbering dragon atop a giant wall covered in Dragon's Language, and a ghostly priest burst forth and started pelting me with fireballs while the dragon took flight and sprayed me with ice. My reward for killing the dragon was not just loot, but an ability that lets me throw my voice to cause distractions. I can now play Skyrim like I used to play Thief or Metal Gear Solid. If nothing else, Skyrim is a diverse world with endless exploring and looting fun. Whether or not you like it is up to you, but don't deny what it actually is.

You say it doesn't change, yet I see a game with a totally new control scheme with motion-control that no other game, not just Zelda games, remotely has that's similar. I see a new world, with new characters, a new story, with new puzzles, dungeons, enemies, items, music, overworld layout, mini-games, bosses, RPG mechanics, a stamina meter, more robust item upgrading, a flying mount, a new save system, and even a totally fresh new final boss. Even the ART STYLE (whether you like it or not) is totally new to the series and extremely unique amongst games in general.

I fail to see how you can claim the game is still so similar when it's by far more fresh, original, and different compared to nearly every other game franchise and their sequels on the market.

Actually, you can't really call it samey. Never before has a Zelda game been so closed and obnoxious. There is only one town with only one shopping district. There are only three surface worlds which you have to return to and retrace your steps through over and over and over again. The only interesting part of any of this is when the volcano erupts and when the forest gets flooded (although THAT particular part involves a shitload of underwater swimming which is just excruciating).

And how can you even enjoy the story? The ending is limp and unsatisfying. You develop a slight hatred towards Ghirahim over his many battles, only to defeat him in an extremely short and easy bossfight. Then when the true boss is unveiled, not only is it not the Ganon we've grown to love and hate, but it's some douchenozzle we've never even seen before. We go from wanting to save our childhood friend, Zelda, to having to duke it out with this guy who we haven't even seen do anything of consequence. He just pops out of the ground, tells us how cool he is, then offers us the easiest bossfight in the history of Zelda. And that's it! He just offers it! Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess had castles to climb, Windwaker had a temple frozen in time full of enemies ready to pounce on you... Skyward Sword just had this Soul Calibur-looking fella sitting around on another plane of existence waiting for you to accept an open invitation to get your ass kicked... BEFORE IT HAS EVEN BEEN EXPRESSED THAT HE COULD KICK YOUR ASS BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIS OWN ENDLESS SHIT-TALKING. So yeah, Skyward Sword has been a tremendous letdown and marks a true decline in the Zelda series. I doubt I will buy the next one so hastily.

 

[ACman]

I will now prove you wrong, Yahtzee.

I loved Skyward Sword and none of your complaints about the game proved detrimental to the fun and enjoyment I derived from the game.

The fact that you have different opinions does not prove either of them wrong. They are both equally valid point of view. You are allowed to have opinions that differ from that of a snarky misanthropic British Australian who makes brief cartoons about games on the internet.

However Yahtzee is "more right".

He actually understands that artistic opinion is based on personal preference and doesn't demand that you nod your heads in total fucking agreement when he proffers his.

You on the otherhand demand that his opinion should concur with yours.

How dull a place would the world be if everybody agreed with each other on matters as trivial as this.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

Here's an eye-opener... Without googling it, what was the name of the final boss?

Go ahead and lie and say you remember after having googled it, but you know and I both know you don't remember a damn thing.

A Zelda game where you can't remember who the last boss was... Awful.

 

[Signa]

The hell? People are defending Skyward Sword? It wasn't until Yahtzee reviewed it that I realized I wasn't going crazy. I fucking LOVE Zelda, but this one was shit and I haven't been able to force my self back into it for weeks.

 

[Aerograt]

Prove me wrong, fans.

No, Yahtzee...

I won't.

*Walks off into the sunset*

 

[C117]

You covered everything to cover. I am a fan of Zelda but I do have to agree with you on this one.

Oh so true. Even though I personally liked Skyward Sword (at least enough to plow right through it), all the criticism Yahtzee brought up is perfectly valid, and just goes to show how the whole game feels quite padded, while at the same time being virtually linear. And this comes from a person (me) who could be quite aptly labeled a Zelda-fanboy.

Good work, Mr. Croshaw. Carry on, and happy new year.

 

[I-Protest-I]

God the responses in this thread have made me so happy, I haven't stopped laughing for 2 hours at how Yahtzee's trolled the hell out of you people.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Good job given the fanboys the finger and you are justify with your opinion in that it wasn't a good game which I agree on with the flaws (yeah it's still fun but it's not the best nor is it perfect out of the series).

 

[Adzma]

Anyone who defends Skyward Sword is either mad, blind or both. Every complaint Yahtzee raised is exactly what I thought while playing it. It's horribly padded and panders to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Scrustle]

The word biased seems to mean nothing on the internet. People spout it out without seeming to understand what it means at all. People will call you biased for simply having an opinion now. It's fucking ridiculous. It's like they're saying "this statement is invalid because the person making it has an opinion". And as Yahtzee points out, it seems you don't even need a consistent opinion to be called biased any more either.

When will these morons realise that biased means you are unfairly prejudice towards one point of view, not that you simply have one. Yahtzee is blatantly not biased. In fact, the ones who are biased are the fanboys accusing Yahtzee of the very same thing! That's pretty much what defines a fanboy.

 

[AyreonMaiden]

Loved Skyward Sword, love Zelda in general, quite agree with Yahtzee in many regards about this game.

It's just funny, how it takes a new Zelda game to put into perspective that the previous one wasn't shitty at all. Zelda fanboys truly are some of the ficklest/worst ever .

 

[JediMB]

I think it's in large part the continuity nods that has caused me to hold Skyward Sword as dearly as I do. I mean, yes, I also dig the gameplay, despite its flaws, and had tons of fun with the boss battles and puzzles... but that can be said for most of the games in the series.

I think it was when I entered the "Temple of Time" area in the desert that it started to dawn on me exactly what SS was to the Zelda series in general, and to Ocarina of Time in particular.

 

[orangeban]

Huh, I enjoyed it, he didn't, we have different tastes and expectations from games. That's what it comes down to, that's what it *always* comes down to. Nothing else to really say.