'Slut' Parade

[Bernzz]

Stop acting like them? Why?
Why should the only possible way to avoid some pathetic, narrow-minded conservative notions of propriety be to submit to somebody else's bigoted ideals of 'socially acceptable behaviour'?

Oh, and 'emo' is not a label. Try suffering real discrimination some time. I remember the days of racial beatings. Good times they were, went home with many a bruises.

Your name is oddly appropriate. All you are doing at this point in the argument is twisting everyone else's words around and ignoring certain points of their posts, to better suit your argument.

Where did she say that to stop acting like a slut is the only possible way? She didn't. You just chose to ignore the sentence right after it where she said they could ignore people and not care about it. Nice job at failing at an argument, Mr. Troll.

And I won't say anything about emo being a label or not, because Astoria's next post sheds some light into what she went through. I will say that maybe you should stop being so ignorant, and realise that everything is relative. Just because you went through racial beatings, doesn't mean everyone else must be held to those standards of discrimination. Look, I'll use your argument to prove its stupidity.

[stupid]
Try suffering real discrimination sometime. Have you ever been murdered in the millions for being a Jew? No? Then you don't have ground to stand on.
[/stupidity]

And there ya go.

 

[Trolldor]

Haven't read any of the links then have you? You know, like that one academic study linked to in this thread which did not have a woman's appearance as a factor in rape cases.
If you knew anything about psychology you'd know that how a woman dresses does not create a rapist, that a rapist is already predisposed to that behaviour and at the time of rape is already of a mindset that his actions are justified. The unfounded accusation that a woman is responsible for her rape is just plain ignorance, and in light of your ignoring the linked to articles, completely wilful.

So you don't believe that a rape has ever started off by a man seeing a girl and judging her by her appearance and then following her?

Never?

Really?

I said earlier I don't view clothing to be the real cause of things, but I see you ignored that. Willfully! I was only making the statement that the way someone looks can and does start awful actions. Have you ever been to a pub? I've seen many people punched because they were wearing glasses.

I also did not claim that rapists were created by seeing girls in skimpy clothing, so I have no idea where you pulled that from. The way you look can and does effect how people react to you. It's a fact. That's all I was saying, you aggressive little fellow.

Until someonen can show me it has, when all evidence says it's not been a cause, then no I don't think it a rape has ever been caused by a woman scantily dressed.
It can be caused by sexual repression, on a man's private attitudes or simply how he operates biologically, but most definitely not because a girl is scantily dressed.

 

[SillyBear]

Haven't read any of the links then have you? You know, like that one academic study linked to in this thread which did not have a woman's appearance as a factor in rape cases.
If you knew anything about psychology you'd know that how a woman dresses does not create a rapist, that a rapist is already predisposed to that behaviour and at the time of rape is already of a mindset that his actions are justified. The unfounded accusation that a woman is responsible for her rape is just plain ignorance, and in light of your ignoring the linked to articles, completely wilful.

So you don't believe that a rape has ever started off by a man seeing a girl and judging her by her appearance and then following her?

Never?

Really?

I said earlier I don't view clothing to be the real cause of things, but I see you ignored that. Willfully! I was only making the statement that the way someone looks can and does start awful actions. Have you ever been to a pub? I've seen many people punched because they were wearing glasses.

I also did not claim that rapists were created by seeing girls in skimpy clothing, so I have no idea where you pulled that from. The way you look can and does effect how people react to you. It's a fact. That's all I was saying, you aggressive little fellow.

VICTIM...BLAMING...
What you are doing, still, intentional or not, is victim blaming. "I'm not saying that rape is caused by immodest clothing...but it is" is how this is coming out. It's self-contradictory, as well. Punching someone is also not at all the same thing as raping them.

I am not blaming them. I am explaining why they fell into the mess. It's background information - it's something that led to it happening. I wouldn't blame someone for being pushed into the ocean - but I would state the fact that them standing so close to the edge allowed the person to push them in there so easily. The blame still rests with the asshole who pushed him.

 

[Trolldor]

Stop acting like them? Why?
Why should the only possible way to avoid some pathetic, narrow-minded conservative notions of propriety be to submit to somebody else's bigoted ideals of 'socially acceptable behaviour'?

Oh, and 'emo' is not a label. Try suffering real discrimination some time. I remember the days of racial beatings. Good times they were, went home with many a bruises.

Your name is oddly appropriate. All you are doing at this point in the argument is twisting everyone else's words around and ignoring certain points of their posts, to better suit your argument.

Where did she say that to stop acting like a slut is the only possible way? She didn't. You just chose to ignore the sentence right after it where she said they could ignore people and not care about it. Nice job at failing at an argument, Mr. Troll.

And I won't say anything about emo being a label or not, because Astoria's next post sheds some light into what she went through. I will say that maybe you should stop being so ignorant, and realise that everything is relative. Just because you went through racial beatings, doesn't mean everyone else must be held to those standards of discrimination. Look, I'll use your argument to prove its stupidity.

[stupid]
Try suffering real discrimination sometime. Have you ever been murdered in the millions for being a Jew? No? Then you don't have ground to stand on.
[/stupidity]

And there ya go.

Oh, my 'racial' history has a few massacres in my time. Many more were killed by the Japanese and British oppression than Jews died in World War II.

And you completely failed to read my post. In case you hadn't noticed I was responding to the point where she gave only two options.

If these girls don't want to be called sluts either they should stop acting like them or stop caring that people are doing so

See those words?
Either they 'put up with it' or they change their behaviour. The idea that they fight back against being marginalised is not a presented option, hence my objection.

Also, I lol'd at your referencing my name as somehow indicative of my trolling. Context: you have none.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being able to pick up easy but being proud of being a slut? That's just pathetic. I don't care if you're male or female, if you're a slut I have no respect for you because you clearly have no respect for yourself.

Why don't they have respect for themselves?
At what point is "really enjoying sex" disrespectful to yourself?

There is a difference between enjoying sex and throwing yourself on everyone and anyone. Being a slut doesn't just mean you have sex a lot, it's also about the attitude and image you protray.

No, it's the attitude and image other people portray of you.

That's the whole point of the protests, to tell people to fuck off with their labels and preconceptions.

That doesn't make sense to my sleep deprived brain. And labelling people is just part of human nature. People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

And why should we then accept them?

A girl is free to sleep and flirt with as many other people, gender irrelevant, as she wishes. It is her life and her choice to make, and so long as harm is being done we have no cause to judge and make fact these absurd notions of propriety.

Hey I'm not saying I'd make fun of a girl that I thought was a slut, just that I wouldn't have any respect for them. Of course it's their life so they can do what they like but they just have to know that that's how society sees them. Everyone knows that you get judged so they have to be prepared to deal with it just like everyone else does. They aren't the only ones being judged for being who they are.

Then you won't object when I judge you, and gossip behind your back and create labels for you. That I invent or appropriate terms as slurs because I disagree with your behaviour.
As everybody knows that's normal and healthy and reasonable to do, there is nothing at all objectionable about it.
Like the word ******. Can't object to its use. Got no respect for them homosexuals.

No I won't object because I'm used to it. I went through all of high school with the label emo. I ignored it because I knew who I was and didn't care what others thought of me. If you don't want to be labeled you know what the solution is? Stop caring because then it doesn't matter what they say. People always have and always will label each other so either don't allow people to label you as something you don't like or don't care. If these girls don't want to be called sluts either they should stop acting like them or stop caring that people are doing so because people won't stop.

Stop acting like them? Why?
Why should the only possible way to avoid some pathetic, narrow-minded conservative notions of propriety be to submit to somebody else's bigoted ideals of 'socially acceptable behaviour'?


Oh, and 'emo' is not a label. Try suffering real discrimination some time. I remember the days of racial beatings. Good times they were, went home with many a bruises.

Oh I'm sorry are you saying that because I wasn't beaten that I have no right to complain? Ever heard on mental abuse? I had absolute strangers, people I had have never seen in my life, come up to my face and call me a pathetic emo loser and people walked around me rather than past me like I had a disease. I heard multiple rumours about me and none were pretty. I was an outsider the whole time and you have no idea what that did to my self esteem. Emo may not be a label in your eyes but that doesn't mean I didn't go through a rough time. And maybe you completely missed the point where I said OR THEY COULD STOP CARING WHAT OTHERS THINK.

No, I'm saying being called 'emo' is not discrimination. It is not the same as racial prejudice nor is it the same as having people say that the way you dress justifies having boys treat you like meat or making you complicit when you get raped.

 

[Trolldor]

Haven't read any of the links then have you? You know, like that one academic study linked to in this thread which did not have a woman's appearance as a factor in rape cases.
If you knew anything about psychology you'd know that how a woman dresses does not create a rapist, that a rapist is already predisposed to that behaviour and at the time of rape is already of a mindset that his actions are justified. The unfounded accusation that a woman is responsible for her rape is just plain ignorance, and in light of your ignoring the linked to articles, completely wilful.

So you don't believe that a rape has ever started off by a man seeing a girl and judging her by her appearance and then following her?

Never?

Really?

I said earlier I don't view clothing to be the real cause of things, but I see you ignored that. Willfully! I was only making the statement that the way someone looks can and does start awful actions. Have you ever been to a pub? I've seen many people punched because they were wearing glasses.

I also did not claim that rapists were created by seeing girls in skimpy clothing, so I have no idea where you pulled that from. The way you look can and does effect how people react to you. It's a fact. That's all I was saying, you aggressive little fellow.

VICTIM...BLAMING...
What you are doing, still, intentional or not, is victim blaming. "I'm not saying that rape is caused by immodest clothing...but it is" is how this is coming out. It's self-contradictory, as well. Punching someone is also not at all the same thing as raping them.

I am not blaming them. I am explaining why they fell into the mess. It's background information - it's something that led to it happening. I wouldn't blame someone for being pushed into the ocean - but I would state the fact that them standing so close to the edge allowed the person to push them in there so easily. The blame still rests with the asshole who pushed him.

Again, prove that the way a woman dresses is a causal factor in a rape case.

 

[UFOROMANTIC]

Haven't read any of the links then have you? You know, like that one academic study linked to in this thread which did not have a woman's appearance as a factor in rape cases.
If you knew anything about psychology you'd know that how a woman dresses does not create a rapist, that a rapist is already predisposed to that behaviour and at the time of rape is already of a mindset that his actions are justified. The unfounded accusation that a woman is responsible for her rape is just plain ignorance, and in light of your ignoring the linked to articles, completely wilful.

So you don't believe that a rape has ever started off by a man seeing a girl and judging her by her appearance and then following her?

Never?

Really?

I said earlier I don't view clothing to be the real cause of things, but I see you ignored that. Willfully! I was only making the statement that the way someone looks can and does start awful actions. Have you ever been to a pub? I've seen many people punched because they were wearing glasses.

I also did not claim that rapists were created by seeing girls in skimpy clothing, so I have no idea where you pulled that from. The way you look can and does effect how people react to you. It's a fact. That's all I was saying, you aggressive little fellow.

VICTIM...BLAMING...
What you are doing, still, intentional or not, is victim blaming. "I'm not saying that rape is caused by immodest clothing...but it is" is how this is coming out. It's self-contradictory, as well. Punching someone is also not at all the same thing as raping them.

I am not blaming them. I am explaining why they fell into the mess. It's background information - it's something that led to it happening. I wouldn't blame someone for being pushed into the ocean - but I would state the fact that them standing so close to the edge allowed the person to push them in there so easily. The blame still rests with the asshole who pushed him.

This does not speak to every case regarding rape, nor does it speak to many cases regarding rape. I can't cite studies off of the top of my head like many other people do, but I have spent many long hours talking about this with my girlfriend, friends and family, not to mention the hours and hours I have spent talking about this in my Human Sexuality courses, and I know that what I am saying is true. Regardless of how you dress this up, you are blaming the victim for the rape.
Implying that the victim is in any way responsible for the rape is blaming. That is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of victim blaming.

 

[Astoria]

Stop acting like them? Why?
Why should the only possible way to avoid some pathetic, narrow-minded conservative notions of propriety be to submit to somebody else's bigoted ideals of 'socially acceptable behaviour'?

Oh, and 'emo' is not a label. Try suffering real discrimination some time. I remember the days of racial beatings. Good times they were, went home with many a bruises.

Your name is oddly appropriate. All you are doing at this point in the argument is twisting everyone else's words around and ignoring certain points of their posts, to better suit your argument.

Where did she say that to stop acting like a slut is the only possible way? She didn't. You just chose to ignore the sentence right after it where she said they could ignore people and not care about it. Nice job at failing at an argument, Mr. Troll.

And I won't say anything about emo being a label or not, because Astoria's next post sheds some light into what she went through. I will say that maybe you should stop being so ignorant, and realise that everything is relative. Just because you went through racial beatings, doesn't mean everyone else must be held to those standards of discrimination. Look, I'll use your argument to prove its stupidity.

[stupid]
Try suffering real discrimination sometime. Have you ever been murdered in the millions for being a Jew? No? Then you don't have ground to stand on.
[/stupidity]

And there ya go.

Oh, my 'racial' history has a few massacres in my time. Many more were killed by the Japanese and British oppression than Jews died in World War II.

And you completely failed to read my post. In case you hadn't noticed I was responding to the point where she gave only two options.

If these girls don't want to be called sluts either they should stop acting like them or stop caring that people are doing so

See those words?
Either they 'put up with it' or they change their behaviour. The idea that they fight back against being marginalised is not a presented option, hence my objection.

Also, I lol'd at your referencing my name as somehow indicative of my trolling. Context: you have none.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being able to pick up easy but being proud of being a slut? That's just pathetic. I don't care if you're male or female, if you're a slut I have no respect for you because you clearly have no respect for yourself.

Why don't they have respect for themselves?
At what point is "really enjoying sex" disrespectful to yourself?

There is a difference between enjoying sex and throwing yourself on everyone and anyone. Being a slut doesn't just mean you have sex a lot, it's also about the attitude and image you protray.

No, it's the attitude and image other people portray of you.

That's the whole point of the protests, to tell people to fuck off with their labels and preconceptions.

That doesn't make sense to my sleep deprived brain. And labelling people is just part of human nature. People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

And why should we then accept them?

A girl is free to sleep and flirt with as many other people, gender irrelevant, as she wishes. It is her life and her choice to make, and so long as harm is being done we have no cause to judge and make fact these absurd notions of propriety.

Hey I'm not saying I'd make fun of a girl that I thought was a slut, just that I wouldn't have any respect for them. Of course it's their life so they can do what they like but they just have to know that that's how society sees them. Everyone knows that you get judged so they have to be prepared to deal with it just like everyone else does. They aren't the only ones being judged for being who they are.

Then you won't object when I judge you, and gossip behind your back and create labels for you. That I invent or appropriate terms as slurs because I disagree with your behaviour.
As everybody knows that's normal and healthy and reasonable to do, there is nothing at all objectionable about it.
Like the word ******. Can't object to its use. Got no respect for them homosexuals.

No I won't object because I'm used to it. I went through all of high school with the label emo. I ignored it because I knew who I was and didn't care what others thought of me. If you don't want to be labeled you know what the solution is? Stop caring because then it doesn't matter what they say. People always have and always will label each other so either don't allow people to label you as something you don't like or don't care. If these girls don't want to be called sluts either they should stop acting like them or stop caring that people are doing so because people won't stop.

Stop acting like them? Why?
Why should the only possible way to avoid some pathetic, narrow-minded conservative notions of propriety be to submit to somebody else's bigoted ideals of 'socially acceptable behaviour'?


Oh, and 'emo' is not a label. Try suffering real discrimination some time. I remember the days of racial beatings. Good times they were, went home with many a bruises.

Oh I'm sorry are you saying that because I wasn't beaten that I have no right to complain? Ever heard on mental abuse? I had absolute strangers, people I had have never seen in my life, come up to my face and call me a pathetic emo loser and people walked around me rather than past me like I had a disease. I heard multiple rumours about me and none were pretty. I was an outsider the whole time and you have no idea what that did to my self esteem. Emo may not be a label in your eyes but that doesn't mean I didn't go through a rough time. And maybe you completely missed the point where I said OR THEY COULD STOP CARING WHAT OTHERS THINK.

No, I'm saying being called 'emo' is not discrimination. It is not the same as racial prejudice nor is it the same as having people say that the way you dress justifies having boys treat you like meat or making you complicit when you get raped.

Whatever, you're not listening to anything I'm saying.

 

[SillyBear]

This does not speak to every case regarding rape, nor does it speak to many cases regarding rape. I can't cite studies off of the top of my head like many other people do, but I have spent many long hours talking about this with my girlfriend, friends and family, not to mention the hours and hours I have spent talking about this in my Human Sexuality courses, and I know that what I am saying is true. Regardless of how you dress this up, you are blaming the victim for the rape.
Implying that the victim is in any way responsible for the rape is blaming.

Well, I'm glad all you've got is "you are blaming them because this is a rape case". You and I both know fully well, that I could have said the exact same thing, but replace the word "rape" with "murder" and you wouldn't have cared. It's all because of rape is our society's largest taboo.

By the way, I never said:

This does not speak to every case regarding rape, nor does it speak to many cases regarding rape.

That was the case.

Again, prove that the way a woman dresses is a causal factor in a rape case.

Never said it did sonny. You made that part up. You made a post implying that the way someone dresses is always 100% irrelevant. I don't agree with that, I think the way you dress is a huge factor into how people judge you and act towards you.

 

[Spaggiari]

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

Nope, I don't see why it should be socially acceptable for men to sleep around, yet if a women does they're a "slut" or a "slag".

Um, did you read the article? It is about rape, not sleeping around......[/quote]

Um, did you read the article? It's not just about rape, it's also about exactly what JoJoDeathHunter mentioned. Here's an excerpt taken straight out of there which is an exact echo of what JoJo said.

"Many women argue that the very word slut is an embodiment of the double standards employed when discussing the sexual appetites of women and men. Women are described as sluts, while men are often referred in a less derogatory light as "studs" or a "ladies man"."

 

[UFOROMANTIC]

This does not speak to every case regarding rape, nor does it speak to many cases regarding rape. I can't cite studies off of the top of my head like many other people do, but I have spent many long hours talking about this with my girlfriend, friends and family, not to mention the hours and hours I have spent talking about this in my Human Sexuality courses, and I know that what I am saying is true. Regardless of how you dress this up, you are blaming the victim for the rape.
Implying that the victim is in any way responsible for the rape is blaming.

Well, I'm glad all you've got is "you are blaming them because this is a rape case". You and I both know fully well, that I could have said the exact same thing, but replace the word "rape" with "murder" and you wouldn't have cared. It's all because of rape is our society's largest taboo.

By the way, I never said:

This does not speak to every case regarding rape, nor does it speak to many cases regarding rape.

That was the case.

Rape and murder are separate crimes, but I would feel just as upset if this was concerning murder. Your assuming that I would not care if this was concerning murder rather than rape was a huge and deeply offensive oversight. I am a sensitive human being with a heart as deep as the ocean and as wide as the sky.
There is a horrible tendancy in American culture to blame the victim for their victimhood in many cases, rape being one of more endemic of them. Rape is ONE of our societies biggest taboos (not necessarily the biggest) and for damn good reason.

 

[SillyBear]

Rape and murder are separate crimes, but I would feel just as upset if this was concerning murder. Your assuming that I would not care if this was concerning murder rather than rape was a huge and deeply offensive oversight. I am a sensitive human being with a heart as deep as the ocean and as wide as the sky.
There is a horrible tendancy in American culture to blame the victim for their victimhood in many cases, rape being one of more endemic of them. Rape is ONE of our societies biggest taboos (not necessarily the biggest) and for damn good reason.

But you won't admit that there can be many variables that create a situation. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm speaking in facts. Just like my analogy with the person being pushed into the ocean, he isn't to blame for being pushed, but if he didn't stand so close to the edge it wouldn't have happened. That does not = blame. Blame has negative connotations. The person who pushed him hold the responsibility for the fact - but you could still call the person standing so close to the edge "careless".

And that's how I feel about some rape cases. I have a friend who was raped and as much as I hate to say it, I wasn't surprised. She'd go out to bars alone (yes, alone), brought men she barely knew home with her and then one day she was raped. That is naivety. That is carelessness. It isn't blame. You are the person who is making that jump to blame, not me.

My whole point in talking about this is trying to avoid exactly what you are doing. We should be able to have an open forum on this. We should be able to let police tell people every single way how to minimise the chances or rape. We should be able to say to girls, like my friend, "STOP! You are going to get hurt." Instead, as soon as someone tries they are hit with arguments like "you are blaming them!" or "not EVERY rape is like that!" or "you are sexist!", or "I have a right to do this!" and so on and so forth. It frustrates me, that's all. I think lots of incidents could be prevented if more people were realistic about situations. You can't go around doing whatever the fuck you please in this World. At some stage, someone is going to take advantage of it - especially in the neighbourhood I live in.

I'm getting really really tired of trying to defend my motives here, I don't feel like anyone has really even read what I'm typing - instead I feel like people are jumping to conclusions and suggesting things I would never dream to suggest. I'm done with this particular issue!

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

This is attention seeking to an unprecedented level.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.


Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

Um, did you read the article? It's not just about rape, it's also about exactly what JoJoDeathHunter mentioned. Here's an excerpt taken straight out of there which is an exact echo of what JoJo said.

"Many women argue that the very word slut is an embodiment of the double standards employed when discussing the sexual appetites of women and men. Women are described as sluts, while men are often referred in a less derogatory light as "studs" or a "ladies man"."

That shows you how ill informed and naive the women who have organised this event are as that is an urban myth/in joke guys have. Guys who sleep about normally don't have a good reputation eg. being a 'player' and so on. Women don't like that and well, guys don;t care to much as it is not our problem.
Also, women did not evolve to want to or be able to sleep about (mentally), and men did, so I think these women need to go back to school before trying to preach what should be accepted.

 

[powell86]

You're a realist huh?
Then you acknowledge that the way a woman dresses is not a factor in rape cases?

dude... read my 2nd post which is just above yours.
I did mention that perhaps clothes may not be a major factor. Anyway in all scenario it's not like 1 issue that triggered it, it's always a combination of factors. And sadly, certain men do view that women who dress suggestively is an indication that she'll be an easy woman. Not all rape cases happened along the street where a random stranger decided to pull a woman into a dark alley.

p.s.
You seem to haf a very combative nature in your choice of words in this discussion as evident from your other posts.

Chill man.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

I cannot possibly believe that those supporting the OP's views aren't trolling, so: job well done. Great troll effort.

 

[cobra_ky]

People can dress however they damn well please, freedom of expression and all that.

No one is even questioning that. This is about what should happen when people respond violently to freedom of expression. Lots of people do, especially in lower socioeconomic areas.

Looking at the thread, there are two arguments here.

Idealist: "I know rape is happening but we have to keep expressing the importance of acceptance and freedom of expression. It doesn't matter if girls are targeted whilst wearing certain types of clothing, they have a right to wear it and we should solely concentrate on the rapist, not the victim."

Realist: "Rape happens. It is always going to happen and it always will happen so the best plan is to educate people on how best to avoid it. If that means urging girls to wear less revealing clothing in dangerous areas, then so be it. People's perception of other people counts for a lot. Like it or not, it's the world we live in."

here's the argument you missed: "Revealing clothing is not a significant factor in the vast majority of rape cases."

According to this police officer, you're wrong. Police officers should have the right to investigate and educate the public on how best to avoid rapes. It doesn't matter if we agree with them or not we grant them power to do this. I don't think the issue is simply about clothing though, and I never said it was. Most of it comes down to the actual girl herself, and whether or not she has common sense, but that all rolls into one. Common sense is the best defense against most rapes, and dressing with your ass showing in a dangerous area is not showing much common sense. Like I said above, the idealists will say "who cares they have a right to" and the realists will say "this will cause them to attract unneeded attention".

Either way, you are looking at the issue too simply. This debate transcends the clothing issue and comments on what I was talking about above.

The police officer is full of crap. he doesn't have the authority to misinform the public with bad advice. your argument isn't a "realist" one because it doesn't reflect reality. Pouring maple syrup on your head doesn't display a whole lot of common sense, but it has shit all to do with how likely you are to be raped.

the thing about common sense is that it's surprisingly uncommon and a lot of it doesn't make sense. if there are specific actions or behaviors that directly increase the probability of a rape occurring, then educate the public on those. tell people not to get drunk and pass out, or go home with random people. don't give them utterly irrelevant advice that isn't going to help.

Oh I'm sorry are you saying that because I wasn't beaten that I have no right to complain? Ever heard on mental abuse? I had absolute strangers, people I had have never seen in my life, come up to my face and call me a pathetic emo loser and people walked around me rather than past me like I had a disease. I heard multiple rumours about me and none were pretty. I was an outsider the whole time and you have no idea what that did to my self esteem. Emo may not be a label in your eyes but that doesn't mean I didn't go through a rough time. And maybe you completely missed the point where I said OR THEY COULD STOP CARING WHAT OTHERS THINK.

it doesn't sound like you could stop caring so easily. it sounds like being labeled the way you were was incredibly damaging to your self-esteem.

 

[Jegsimmons]

Thousands of women in the US and Canada have marched in response to a Toronto police officer's comment that women should try not to dress like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimised.

You know there are some sex offenders who went to watch that march just waiting for one to turn into an alley.

Seriously i think these women aren't using their brains at all.

 

[Astoria]

Oh I'm sorry are you saying that because I wasn't beaten that I have no right to complain? Ever heard on mental abuse? I had absolute strangers, people I had have never seen in my life, come up to my face and call me a pathetic emo loser and people walked around me rather than past me like I had a disease. I heard multiple rumours about me and none were pretty. I was an outsider the whole time and you have no idea what that did to my self esteem. Emo may not be a label in your eyes but that doesn't mean I didn't go through a rough time. And maybe you completely missed the point where I said OR THEY COULD STOP CARING WHAT OTHERS THINK.

it doesn't sound like you could stop caring so easily. it sounds like being labeled the way you were was incredibly damaging to your self-esteem.

I never said it would be easy. It's not but you do get to a point where you just say 'fuck it' and don't care anymore and since I did that I have felt a lot better about myself. All I'm saying is that people won't change, they're always going to label, so really the only choices they have is stop being like they are or learn not to care.

 

[cobra_ky]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.


Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

you're comparing women who enjoy sex with pedophilia and bestiality. just wanted to state that for the record.

Um, did you read the article? It's not just about rape, it's also about exactly what JoJoDeathHunter mentioned. Here's an excerpt taken straight out of there which is an exact echo of what JoJo said.

"Many women argue that the very word slut is an embodiment of the double standards employed when discussing the sexual appetites of women and men. Women are described as sluts, while men are often referred in a less derogatory light as "studs" or a "ladies man"."

That shows you how ill informed and naive the women who have organised this event are as that is an urban myth/in joke guys have. Guys who sleep about normally don't have a good reputation eg. being a 'player' and so on. Women don't like that and well, guys don;t care to much as it is not our problem.

guys don't care if other guys sleep around, but women who sleep around are abnormal, unhealthy, and insecure. that sounds like a double standard to me.

Also, women did not evolve to want to or be able to sleep about (mentally), and men did, so I think these women need to go back to school before trying to preach what should be accepted.

maybe you should support your specious claim about the evolutionary psychology of women first.

 

[cobra_ky]

I never said it would be easy. It's not but you do get to a point where you just say 'fuck it' and don't care anymore and since I did that I have felt a lot better about myself. All I'm saying is that people won't change, they're always going to label, so really the only choices they have is stop being like they are or learn not to care.

I respectfully disagree. People can and do change, and while we can't eliminate labeling, we can reduce it and the effect it has on society. That's what this walk is about: calling attention to the negative effects the word 'slut' has on people and mitigating them.