'Slut' Parade

[int boom]

In brief it's more

"Just because I look hungry doesn't mean I want random people shoving sausages down my throat".

Best. Summary. Ever. I'm going to use that one in future.

A summary of the average joe's reaction to superficial appearances:

Opposite gender attraction (assuming negative response): derision/rape.
Unacceptable haircut: derision/assault.
Different language speaker: insult in language they can't understand.
More successful: bone their significant other.
Same gender attraction: derision/rape.
Open window: steal television.
Wearing a hat: derision/rape.

I do exaggerate, but the problem isn't the fact that people should be able to wear whatever they want but can't for fear of a negative response, it's the fact that aggression and the appearance of aggression is worshipped above all else in most cultures.

Until society finds a positive way to channel the undercurrent of aggression possessed by every human being with the desire to mate then opportunistic victimisation will always occur, whatever form it takes.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.


Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

you're comparing women who enjoy sex with pedophilia and bestiality. just wanted to state that for the record.

Um, did you read the article? It's not just about rape, it's also about exactly what JoJoDeathHunter mentioned. Here's an excerpt taken straight out of there which is an exact echo of what JoJo said.

"Many women argue that the very word slut is an embodiment of the double standards employed when discussing the sexual appetites of women and men. Women are described as sluts, while men are often referred in a less derogatory light as "studs" or a "ladies man"."

That shows you how ill informed and naive the women who have organised this event are as that is an urban myth/in joke guys have. Guys who sleep about normally don't have a good reputation eg. being a 'player' and so on. Women don't like that and well, guys don;t care to much as it is not our problem.

guys don't care if other guys sleep around, but women who sleep around are abnormal, unhealthy, and insecure. that sounds like a double standard to me.

Also, women did not evolve to want to or be able to sleep about (mentally), and men did, so I think these women need to go back to school before trying to preach what should be accepted.

maybe you should support your specious claim about the evolutionary psychology of women first.

Well that is nature for you. Women get lumped with a kid so it is not in their interest to go about getting pregnant and having no man around. Yes, life is different now but evolution takes a while to catch up.

 

[cobra_ky]

Well that is nature for you. Women get lumped with a kid so it is not in their interest to go about getting pregnant and having no man around. Yes, life is different now but evolution takes a while to catch up.

right. life changed, now we have effective means of birth control. evolution is still lagging behind, so it is of limited relevance here.

 

[saruman31]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.


Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

you're comparing women who enjoy sex with pedophilia and bestiality. just wanted to state that for the record.

Um, did you read the article? It's not just about rape, it's also about exactly what JoJoDeathHunter mentioned. Here's an excerpt taken straight out of there which is an exact echo of what JoJo said.

"Many women argue that the very word slut is an embodiment of the double standards employed when discussing the sexual appetites of women and men. Women are described as sluts, while men are often referred in a less derogatory light as "studs" or a "ladies man"."

That shows you how ill informed and naive the women who have organised this event are as that is an urban myth/in joke guys have. Guys who sleep about normally don't have a good reputation eg. being a 'player' and so on. Women don't like that and well, guys don;t care to much as it is not our problem.

guys don't care if other guys sleep around, but women who sleep around are abnormal, unhealthy, and insecure. that sounds like a double standard to me.

Also, women did not evolve to want to or be able to sleep about (mentally), and men did, so I think these women need to go back to school before trying to preach what should be accepted.

maybe you should support your specious claim about the evolutionary psychology of women first.

Well that is nature for you. Women get lumped with a kid so it is not in their interest to go about getting pregnant and having no man around. Yes, life is different now but evolution takes a while to catch up.

That`s exactly why men must evolve and stop fearing women sexuality. I guess this double standard will take some time to disappear.

 

[Getatron]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

So, uh, you're kidding me, right?

See, I don't think they'd rather protest than avoid being raped, but the thing is, if guys sleep with lots of people (and, hell, it's EXPECTED of them), they're studs, manly and so on and so forth.

If women sleep with lots of people, they're sluts. See how that adds up? See the logic in it?

'Cause I don't. So, my guess is that they're showing their discontentment with the situation by, y'know, protesting against the illogicalness of it all. (Gee, I'm inventing words wildly, am I not.) They probably like sleeping with people, but dislike being called sluts 'cause, frankly, they just get laid more often than the others. So: no, there's nothing hedonistic with this, truly. What's hedonistic with sex? Without sex, you wouldn't exist, and life would probably be a damn sight slower and more boring as well.

Oh, and if ANYONE dares make the master key vs. bad lock-metaphor, I will hunt you down, I will proceed to tie you to a chair, I will fit you with a ball gag, and then I will proceed to tell you in just how many ways you are wrong about it, how much that metaphor sucks, and then you will be released. No violence, honest.

 

[JonnWood]

So your trolling since thats an admission of deliberately inflaming an argument by omission ?

No, I've been basing a few minor claims on assumptions from evidence produced and wondering if anyone would call me on them. Minor, mind you, not the entire argument.

 

[JonnWood]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.

So, "yes".

Incidentally, kids and animals aren't able to consent to sex. Adult humans can.

Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

You're assuming quite a lot about sexuality.

I eat a lot of satsumas. You know why? Because I really like satsumas. Similarly, a woman might have a lot of sex because she likes having sex. I'm told they're allowed to, these days.

That shows you how ill informed and naive the women who have organised this event are as that is an urban myth/in joke guys have. Guys who sleep about normally don't have a good reputation eg. being a 'player' and so on. Women don't like that and well, guys don;t care to much as it is not our problem.

Men who sleep about are generally held in high esteem by their peers in Western culture.

Also, women did not evolve to want to or be able to sleep about (mentally), and men did, so I think these women need to go back to school before trying to preach what should be accepted.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that you're correct, women and men also didn't evolve to use computers, drive automobiles, or any of the other artificial things we do all the time.

It's cute how you just keep resorting to more and more nonsense, and become more and more transparently illogical, as time goes on.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.

So, "yes".

Incidentally, kids and animals aren't able to consent to sex. Adult humans can.

Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

You're assuming quite a lot about sexuality.

I eat a lot of satsumas. You know why? Because I really like satsumas. Similarly, a woman might have a lot of sex because she likes having sex. I'm told they're allowed to, these days.

That shows you how ill informed and naive the women who have organised this event are as that is an urban myth/in joke guys have. Guys who sleep about normally don't have a good reputation eg. being a 'player' and so on. Women don't like that and well, guys don;t care to much as it is not our problem.

Men who sleep about are generally held in high esteem by their peers in Western culture.

Also, women did not evolve to want to or be able to sleep about (mentally), and men did, so I think these women need to go back to school before trying to preach what should be accepted.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that you're correct, women and men also didn't evolve to use computers, drive automobiles, or any of the other artificial things we do all the time.

It's cute how you just keep resorting to more and more nonsense, and become more and more transparently illogical, as time goes on.

Urgh, where to begin...

My point about paedophiles is about dignity. These sluts need to get some.

Well last time I checked doing anything in excess is bad......eg getting fat, sleeping around etc Sluts have sex in excess ergo there is something wrong with them like being highly insecure. Lets look at jobs that higher sluts such as being a stripper. It is a well known fact that strippers come from broken homes. Also the more sexually active someone is it indicates other problems, for example if a young child is very sexually active then they were probably molested. Go check google if you doubt me, its pretty dark stuff.

Men who sleep about are not held in high esteem, that is utter crap. The only men who sleep about are normally considered plays and they are though as being douches - look at Jersey Shore.

True, we can do other things, but we did evolve to specifically not play on computers, to specifically not drive about ergo making your comparison redundant.

So, uh, you're kidding me, right?

See, I don't think they'd rather protest than avoid being raped, but the thing is, if guys sleep with lots of people (and, hell, it's EXPECTED of them), they're studs, manly and so on and so forth.

If women sleep with lots of people, they're sluts. See how that adds up? See the logic in it?

'Cause I don't. So, my guess is that they're showing their discontentment with the situation by, y'know, protesting against the illogicalness of it all. (Gee, I'm inventing words wildly, am I not.) They probably like sleeping with people, but dislike being called sluts 'cause, frankly, they just get laid more often than the others. So: no, there's nothing hedonistic with this, truly. What's hedonistic with sex? Without sex, you wouldn't exist, and life would probably be a damn sight slower and more boring as well.

Oh, and if ANYONE dares make the master key vs. bad lock-metaphor, I will hunt you down, I will proceed to tie you to a chair, I will fit you with a ball gag, and then I will proceed to tell you in just how many ways you are wrong about it, how much that metaphor sucks, and then you will be released. No violence, honest.

No they are not. Do you idolise the guys from Jersey Shore or porn stars because according to you, you should.
And again, we evolved differently from women because have you looked down there? We have different gear, mainly men not getting a kid at the end of it and women do.

That`s exactly why men must evolve and stop fearing women sexuality. I guess this double standard will take some time to disappear.

Ok, I'll phone up biology so it can pass the message onto evolution to hurry up............

right. life changed, now we have effective means of birth control. evolution is still lagging behind, so it is of limited relevance here.

But it is still there and fighting your instinct is a bad idea. Why else do you think that depression for women has risen dramatically in the last 50 years? They have more rights, more freedom so why are they unhappy? Maybe because they are trying to be men why they are, erm, not men?

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I think something that really needs to happen is the re-education of society on how to prevent rape. We view rape reactively - we need to view it preventatively...but not from the victim's standpoint.


In this thread, I've seen that women should not walk alone at night, not drink, and not dress a certain way. Women are usually the victims of rape.


What we as a society needs to do is re-educate. The victims SHOULD NOT have to put the onus of rape prevention on themselves. We must put it on potential rapists.


A new script should be: MEN! Don't drink, because studies have shown that you are more likely to inadvertently rape someone under the influence of alcohol (or drugs). MEN! You should wear clothing that makes it difficult for you to whip out your penis whenever you feel like sticking it in some place it doesn't belong! MEN! You are more likely to be the victim of a violent crime - YOU should be the ones not walking alone at night, because you are putting yourselves in danger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States).




Imagine if that was how we taught rape prevention instead. Instead of putting all the responsibility on the victims to not be raped, if we just taught our society to take consent more seriously, moderate alcohol use, and become safer ALL AROUND.

Here's the thing, and I hope I am heard when I say this:

It seems women want to be treated differently in this. With my many dealings with the cops, family, and just human kind in general, when something bad happens to me the first question is what I could have done to prevent it.

Go to a cop and tell him your car was stolen. He'll ask a.) did you leave anything valuable in it b.) where did you park it c.) what was the make of the car? All in the efforts to blame you for what happened to you.

Go to a cop and tell him you got beat up. Usually it will be a.) Did you say something to him? b.) where you wearing anything expensive c.) what part of town/what time of day?

You got stabbed? a.) Why did you really get stabbed, were you part of a drug deal? b.) Why were you there in the first place... You know, everyone can get it.

Cops should have more training in this and know that the style of clothes should not entice rape. But it's been my experience that cops and really, most of humanity tends to look at you for whatever hardship is visited on you. Rape is horrible, but it does not halt human nature from questioning why couldn't you have protected yourself. That's just how we are as a society. Doesn't make it right, but if we can fix things, this should also be high on top of the list so we can band together as a people and really try to prevent more things like this.

 

[zeldagirl]

Here's the thing, and I hope I am heard when I say this:

It seems women want to be treated differently in this. With my many dealings with the cops, family, and just human kind in general, when something bad happens to me the first question is what I could have done to prevent it.

Go to a cop and tell him your car was stolen. He'll ask a.) did you leave anything valuable in it b.) where did you park it c.) what was the make of the car? All in the efforts to blame you for what happened to you.

Go to a cop and tell him you got beat up. Usually it will be a.) Did you say something to him? b.) where you wearing anything expensive c.) what part of town/what time of day?

You got stabbed? a.) Why did you really get stabbed, were you part of a drug deal? b.) Why were you there in the first place... You know, everyone can get it.

Cops should have more training in this and know that the style of clothes should not entice rape. But it's been my experience that cops and really, most of humanity tends to look at you for whatever hardship is visited on you. Rape is horrible, but it does not halt human nature from questioning why couldn't you have protected yourself. That's just how we are as a society. Doesn't make it right, but if we can fix things, this should also be high on top of the list so we can band together as a people and really try to prevent more things like this.

That was my point too. We SHOULD prevent this. I'm saying that men should take more responsibility in preventing things like this. If so many rapes occur while the rapist is under the influence, then we as a society should take the measures to reeducate about substance use in order to prevent this.

I will never advocate that women should not take preventative measures. As someone with many self-defense classes under her belt, I can't do that. But I stand by my statement that men need to be taught prevention too. It's not just a woman thing (rather, a victim thing, since golly, men can be raped too!).

 

[agrajagthetesty]

From experience and examples I have read about, sluts are most likely the ones to take the risk of going home with a stranger after flirting with them all night. If the police can make women not dress as sluts, then this might have a domino effect and prevent other problems.

If the policeman wanted to advise women not to go home with strangers, he should have said that.

If a police man has to say that then those women are idiots and a lost cause (in my opinion of course).

That's not the point.

 

[JonnWood]

Urgh, where to begin...

My point about paedophiles is about dignity. These sluts need to get some.

Pedo and bestialists, sorry, "zoophiles", as they'll insist on being called, have an incredible amount of (unwarranted) pride and dignity. Actually, it's closer to out and out arrogance.

Well last time I checked doing anything in excess is bad......eg getting fat, sleeping around etc Sluts have sex in excess ergo there is something wrong with them

There is a difference between liking a good rogering and outright nymphomania.

like being highly insecure.

Unsupported assertion.

Lets look at jobs that higher sluts such as being a stripper.

Sexy dancing != having sex.

It is a well known fact that strippers come from broken homes.

No, it's a stereotype, unless you're going to produce statistics.

Also the more sexually active someone is it indicates other problems, for example if a young child is very sexually active then they were probably molested. Go check google if you doubt me, its pretty dark stuff.

It may indicate problems. It may also indicate that they simply like having sex. You keep dodging around acknowledging that. It's not about whether the woman actually likes having sex for you, is it? Is it possible that a woman could have a lot of sex simply because they like it?

Men who sleep about are not held in high esteem, that is utter crap. The only men who sleep about are normally considered plays and they are though as being douches - look at Jersey Shore.

Jersey Shore is actually a comedy. We're supposed to be laughing at the idiots, not with 'em. It's amazing how many people fail to realize that.

True, we can do other things, but we did evolve to specifically not play on computers, to specifically not drive about ergo making your comparison redundant.

So you're claiming women evolved to not have sex often. You have some sort of scientific study proving this, right?

And again, we evolved differently from women because have you looked down there? We have different gear, mainly men not getting a kid at the end of it and women do.

You are so terribly sad.

But it is still there and fighting your instinct is a bad idea.

You're right. So the next time a guy feels bad, he should just punch the person pissing him off. That's based on instinct.

Why else do you think that depression for women has risen dramatically in the last 50 years? They have more rights, more freedom so why are they unhappy? Maybe because they are trying to be men why they are, erm, not men?

Economic problems, maybe. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12986314] Again, all you have is speculation.

It's pretty obvious by now that you started the whole thread to get validation for your viewpoint, not to actually discuss anything.

 

[Jimbo1212]

Urgh, where to begin...

My point about paedophiles is about dignity. These sluts need to get some.

Pedo and bestialists, sorry, "zoophiles", as they'll insist on being called, have an incredible amount of (unwarranted) pride and dignity. Actually, it's closer to out and out arrogance.

Well last time I checked doing anything in excess is bad......eg getting fat, sleeping around etc Sluts have sex in excess ergo there is something wrong with them

There is a difference between liking a good rogering and outright nymphomania.

like being highly insecure.

Unsupported assertion.

Lets look at jobs that higher sluts such as being a stripper.

Sexy dancing != having sex.

It is a well known fact that strippers come from broken homes.

No, it's a stereotype, unless you're going to produce statistics.

Also the more sexually active someone is it indicates other problems, for example if a young child is very sexually active then they were probably molested. Go check google if you doubt me, its pretty dark stuff.

It may indicate problems. It may also indicate that they simply like having sex. You keep dodging around acknowledging that. It's not about whether the woman actually likes having sex for you, is it? Is it possible that a woman could have a lot of sex simply because they like it?

Men who sleep about are not held in high esteem, that is utter crap. The only men who sleep about are normally considered plays and they are though as being douches - look at Jersey Shore.

Jersey Shore is actually a comedy. We're supposed to be laughing at the idiots, not with 'em. It's amazing how many people fail to realize that.

True, we can do other things, but we did evolve to specifically not play on computers, to specifically not drive about ergo making your comparison redundant.

So you're claiming women evolved to not have sex often. You have some sort of scientific study proving this, right?

And again, we evolved differently from women because have you looked down there? We have different gear, mainly men not getting a kid at the end of it and women do.

You are so terribly sad.

But it is still there and fighting your instinct is a bad idea.

You're right. So the next time a guy feels bad, he should just punch the person pissing him off. That's based on instinct.

Why else do you think that depression for women has risen dramatically in the last 50 years? They have more rights, more freedom so why are they unhappy? Maybe because they are trying to be men why they are, erm, not men?

Economic problems, maybe. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12986314] Again, all you have is speculation.

It's pretty obvious by now that you started the whole thread to get validation for your viewpoint, not to actually discuss anything.

Sluts may not have sex though, so the comparison of a stripper and a slut is perfectly logical. Both like to show off their bodies, and I don't think anyone would say that there is nothing odd about being a stripper.

As for proof, for read this :''WHAT'S A NICE GIRL LIKE YOU DOING IN A PLACE LIKE THIS?'': PATHWAYS TO A CAREER IN STRIPPING
Sociological Spectrum: Mid-South Sociological Association. Now it took 1 minute to find that so why did you not bother.

Women do like sex, this is so very true, but find me one that does not get emotionally involved because I can not. This is very apparent when you are in a sexually active environment like uni and so you see it happen all the time. What age range of people are you around as this may be part of the reason why you think like you do.

Your comment on Jersey shore proves me right - people do not worship or respect players. They would rather respect people who are successful be it in film, politics, science, or music.

As for women having sex, I found this video someone posted because of this debate on another forum, and yes, it shows women are not meant to have sex often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3F7uAFSqs
This does not make me sad, it only makes me right.

 

[cobra_ky]

That`s exactly why men must evolve and stop fearing women sexuality. I guess this double standard will take some time to disappear.

Ok, I'll phone up biology so it can pass the message onto evolution to hurry up............

he's not talking about biological evolution. he's talking about an evolution in social norms, a force which operates much faster than the mechanisms of biology.

right. life changed, now we have effective means of birth control. evolution is still lagging behind, so it is of limited relevance here.

But it is still there and fighting your instinct is a bad idea. Why else do you think that depression for women has risen dramatically in the last 50 years? They have more rights, more freedom so why are they unhappy? Maybe because they are trying to be men why they are, erm, not men?

What 'instinct'? People's sex drives vary wildly. Some have no sexual desire at all. You're overstating the effect evolutionary factors have on sexuality.

As for why <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/06/health/women-s-depression-rate-is-higher.html>depression is on the rise among women:

The report, based on a review of recent studies, said the factors placing women at greater risk for depression included physical and sexual abuse, poverty, bias that persisted in forms like lower wages than those paid to men, unhappy marriages, hormonal changes over the menstrual cycle and childbirth, and a tendency to focus on depressed feelings rather than taking steps to master them. The report noted, for example, that women were more likely than men to be poor and to be single parents.

Dr. Ellen McGrath, a psychologist in Brooklyn Heights who was chairwoman of the working group, said, "Women are truly more depressed than men, primarily due to their experience of being female in our contemporary culture."

Dr. Strickland added, "After working on our task force report, I'm amazed more women aren't depressed, just given their economics and general second-class citizen status."

The report cited violence against women as a major factor making them especially prone to depression. The report said 37 percent of women had suffered significant physical or sexual abuse by the age of 21.

 

[JonnWood]

I note that you've withdrawn your pedophilia/bestiality comparison.

Sluts may not have sex though, so the comparison of a stripper and a slut is perfectly logical. Both like to show off their bodies, and I don't think anyone would say that there is nothing odd about being a stripper.

Certainly not me. Nice try at a straw man, though. I just said that being a stripper doesn't mean that you have or desire a lot of sex.

As for proof, for read this :''WHAT'S A NICE GIRL LIKE YOU DOING IN A PLACE LIKE THIS?'': PATHWAYS TO A CAREER IN STRIPPING
Sociological Spectrum: Mid-South Sociological Association. Now it took 1 minute to find that so why did you not bother.

Well done! You actually produced backup after a half-dozen requests!

That seems to be behind a paywall, so I'm assuming that you paid the thirty bucks for it, and are not just bluffing. That, or you found a free version someplace. Care to link?

Women do like sex, this is so very true, but find me one that does not get emotionally involved because I can not.

Well, this is new. You never said anything about "emotional involvement". You were blathering about "insecurities". Also, argument from personal experience. A guy could have sex with a different woman every day of his adult life, and he still wouldn't have a representative sample of all the women in the world.

This is very apparent when you are in a sexually active environment like uni and so you see it happen all the time. What age range of people are you around as this may be part of the reason why you think like you do.

I'm in Uni, and I've noticed no such patterns.

Your comment on Jersey shore proves me right - people do not worship or respect players. They would rather respect people who are successful be it in film, politics, science, or music.

No, it means Jersey Shore is a comedy show. Even without the sex, those spray-tanned gentlemen wouldn't be paragons. In many cultures, male sexual promiscuity is regarded as virtuous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o&feature=player_embedded

87 million views, and the bar is overwhelmingly green.

As for women having sex, I found this video someone posted because of this debate on another

forum, and yes, it shows women are not meant to have sex often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3F7uAFSqs
This does not make me sad, it only makes me right.

When during the program should I be looking? The part where it says that men and women often have a different approach to seeking companionship? What studies was the video citing? Not the video itself, they need a source. Did they have some sort of expert speak?

Still ignoring the point about all the things humanity does that they never "evolved" to.

 

[Jimbo1212]

I note that you've withdrawn your pedophilia/bestiality comparison.

Sluts may not have sex though, so the comparison of a stripper and a slut is perfectly logical. Both like to show off their bodies, and I don't think anyone would say that there is nothing odd about being a stripper.

Certainly not me. Nice try at a straw man, though. I just said that being a stripper doesn't mean that you have or desire a lot of sex.

As for proof, for read this :''WHAT'S A NICE GIRL LIKE YOU DOING IN A PLACE LIKE THIS?'': PATHWAYS TO A CAREER IN STRIPPING
Sociological Spectrum: Mid-South Sociological Association. Now it took 1 minute to find that so why did you not bother.

Well done! You actually produced backup after a half-dozen requests!

That seems to be behind a paywall, so I'm assuming that you paid the thirty bucks for it, and are not just bluffing. That, or you found a free version someplace. Care to link?

Women do like sex, this is so very true, but find me one that does not get emotionally involved because I can not.

Well, this is new. You never said anything about "emotional involvement". You were blathering about "insecurities". Also, argument from personal experience. A guy could have sex with a different woman every day of his adult life, and he still wouldn't have a representative sample of all the women in the world.

This is very apparent when you are in a sexually active environment like uni and so you see it happen all the time. What age range of people are you around as this may be part of the reason why you think like you do.

I'm in Uni, and I've noticed no such patterns.

Your comment on Jersey shore proves me right - people do not worship or respect players. They would rather respect people who are successful be it in film, politics, science, or music.

No, it means Jersey Shore is a comedy show. Even without the sex, those spray-tanned gentlemen wouldn't be paragons. In many cultures, male sexual promiscuity is regarded as virtuous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o&feature=player_embedded

87 million views, and the bar is overwhelmingly green.

As for women having sex, I found this video someone posted because of this debate on another

forum, and yes, it shows women are not meant to have sex often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3F7uAFSqs
This does not make me sad, it only makes me right.

When during the program should I be looking? The part where it says that men and women often have a different approach to seeking companionship? What studies was the video citing? Not the video itself, they need a source. Did they have some sort of expert speak?

Still ignoring the point about all the things humanity does that they never "evolved" to.

I'm sorry, but could you begin to post some evidence supporting your claims. I have tried to give a substantiated argument, yet you have not and I will only argue with opinion up to a point as it becomes some what futile.
The documentary makes a very clear point on how male and female bonding varies and why being a slut is not normal, reinforcing everything I have said. As for the journal, if you are at uni then you should be able to access it from campus for free.

 

[dstryfe]

Yes. Is the point. Because the "advice" is worthless, misogynistic victim-blaming that does nothing but help perpetuate a culture where rapists can feel justified and victims feel helpless.

Yes, this advice is worthless. I think that's a general concensus around here (though people haven't stopped saying it, which surprises me). While the advice is victim-blaming, as wrong as that is, it in no way justifies rape; far's I know, jail time is still the leading way of 'congratulating' rapists.

It's never worth saying. Not even once. It starts from the assumption that a woman's chastity is something to be guarded, whereas a man's ability to stick his dick in things is something to be lauded, and piles on the misogyny from there. Don't worry about making sure it's said. It only makes you look like a jackass.

You sure like throwing the word 'misogyny' around, and that's a pretty vicious reply to what I thought was a rather tame comment. I'd like to get your opinion: is chastity something to be guarded, or is the ability of every human being to sleep with every other human being something to be lauded?

Note that, by quoting me, you ensured it was said at least twice. Just sayin.'

This isn't about law. This is about culture.

Pretty sure culture agrees with the law on this one.

Privilege 101. It's easy to not care about what society thinks about you when your basic humanity isn't up for debate.

Retardinator's point is valid, I think. They have just as much right to not be looked down on for their dress as we have to not be looked down on for being 'hopelessly socially handcapped and reliant on videogames to have any semblance of interpersonal connection'...and to not be branded 'dangerous' for it (I'm looking at you, Michael Atkinson).

 

[Astoria]

I never said it would be easy. It's not but you do get to a point where you just say 'fuck it' and don't care anymore and since I did that I have felt a lot better about myself. All I'm saying is that people won't change, they're always going to label, so really the only choices they have is stop being like they are or learn not to care.

I respectfully disagree. People can and do change, and while we can't eliminate labeling, we can reduce it and the effect it has on society. That's what this walk is about: calling attention to the negative effects the word 'slut' has on people and mitigating them.

I really would love say to say I agree but I just can't see it changing, not any time soon at least and defintitely not among teenagers and young adults. It's just human nature and you can't change that. If anything it seems to be getting worse these days.

 

[JonnWood]

I'm sorry, but could you begin to post some evidence supporting your claims. I have tried to give a substantiated argument, yet you have not and I will only argue with opinion up to a point as it becomes some what futile.

Yes, because you've been backing up your sources so well.

Dressing sexily does not increase a woman's chances of rape. The relevant statistics are on page 2.

The documentary makes a very clear point on how male and female bonding varies and why being a slut is not normal, reinforcing everything I have said.

Which means nothing as to whether it's right or not. As I have said, being natural doesn't make something inherently correct. It's natural to want to beat up someone who's pissing you off, but if you did so, more than likely you'd end up in jail. Heck, marriage and monogamy are not really "natural". Dudes, from an evolutionary perspective, should be having as much sex with as many women as possible, in order to increase their chances of spreading their genes. Yet you claim that players are frowned upon. Being a player is just as "natural" as women not being sexually promiscuous, by your own logic, yet one is bad and the other is good. That's what's known as a "double standard".

Also, Evo Psych is one of the most imprecise, flim-flammy fields of an already soft science. It is possible to come up with evolutionary justifications for just about anything. That doesn't mean ethics of morality should be based on them.

As for the journal, if you are at uni then you should be able to access it from campus for free.

Yep, it doesn't work from the Dorms, but it does work from school.

I note that it says the sample size was 20 strippers.

There are thousands of strippers in the US, at least.

Do you understand the concept of a "representative sample"?

Do you understand that many woman who come from broken homes end up becoming things like lawyers, cops, psychological counselors, and social workers, specifically because of said background? Why is there nothing wrong with that, yet stripping is wrongbad?

Do you understand that being a stripper != sexual promiscuity?

 

[Leadfinger]

Does the open expression of women's sexuality make you feel uncomfortable?

Your right, why not have some paedophiles lining up to parade as they too need to be given tolerance as well as all those folk who sleep with animals.


Being a slut is not normal, nor healthy, and I have no idea how they can try to justify it. Oh wait, they can not because they are insecure, which is the whole reason why they are a slut in the first place.

There's a concept called "informed consent" that you should familiarize yourself with. See, neither children nor animals can give informed consent, so we justly condemn pedophilia and bestiality. On the other hand, you do seem to have a problem with what consenting adults do, especially women. Do women scare you?