'Slut' Parade

[Hive Mind]

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There's more 'date rape' than 'penis ambush' in the world. What about that are you finding so hard to understand?

Your attitude and language in this post are disgusting and immature. You didn't even provide any references or sources. Also, we have already established that the majority of rapes occur upon children.

Please, do some research before flinging mud and attempting to insult others.

I thought you might be able to understand the little words. Obviously not.
Other escapists, I apologise for feeding this one.

Does this post have a point? Beyond childish attempts at insult and an apparent arrogance, there is nothing to this post of worth and it fails completely to contribute to the discussion at all.

 

[Sethzard]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Yes, yes they should.

It is still a rather immature way of going about it though. It'd be better to simply state what you did in the last sentence.

People have said that before but it has made no difference. This has at least got people's attention.

 

[Jackle_666]

If you believe that a woman deserves to be raped for the clothes she wears just because its what men do when they see slutty clothing, then your hatred for both sides of humanity is sickening.

It's like telling the west not to be so capitalist so the Muslim extremists don't bomb you.

 

[Dott]

In theory, you should be able to run around naked without a fear of being raped.

 

[GraveeKing]

Oh dear god what.
"Don't tell us what not to wear, tell men not to rape."
I honestly have no idea what to think of all this stuff, but I find it bloody awesome and highly amusing at the same time. The irony of it is beautiful!

 

[Kargathia]

Aaaahh.... I love the smell of heated nitpicking in the morning. Smells like.... bacon.

Let's simplify, shall we?

Let's say that either we force every woman out there to wear a burka, or something else that'll automatically kill any boner in her vicinity.

Or we quit the whole preconception that if the victim was sexy she probably was "asking for it", and actually treat them accordingly to what happened to them, reducing all the extra trauma added when victims have to suffer these bullshit ideas from police and peers.

This does sound heartless, but quite frankly it'd be an improvement to stop even considering the possibility that clothing has anything to do with it - even if that possibly does lead to a very slight increase of rapes happening.

The issue is though, that slut has never meant anything else and it would still mean the same thing, they just don't want the negative connotation that comes with it. This is not an issue with grammar but with societies view on girls who sleep about and I doubt some silly protest will change that, especially when biology would disagree with them.

and what exactly does biology say about society's view of women who sleep about?

The thing that women should be pickier in their partners because they're the one with the most investment (getting pregnant for 9 months, caring for a toddler for a couple more years).

Can we please remember that homosexuality in a biological sense is even more wasteful? If we can slowly get our heads out of our asses on that topic, can we also try to do that when it concerns judging your neighbours sex drive in an age of contraception?

 

[Jonluw]

Yeah, I see how the police officer was in the wrong (Though in my opinion he only worded himself poorly), but I don't see why women would want the word 'slut' to stop having negative connotations.
It's always meant what it does, and it's always referred to a person (normally a woman) who has sexual relations without going through the proper procedures decided by social norm beforehand.
Protesting won't change that. Rather, they should work to keep women with a liberal sexuality from being called sluts.

 

[Sunrider]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Looks like they've missed the point too.
There was a thread on a similar topic recently, so I'll just re-post what I put there for my thoughts on the topic:

A guy is walking through a rough neighbourhood waving a wad of cash around, and he gets mugged.
Now, obviously the one who mugged the guy is in the wrong 100%. That was illegal, and he should be punished.
And the guy should have the right to wave around money as much as he wants without fear of being attacked and robbed. But it's a naive and dangerous game to play. Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.

Again, not my fault if someone robs me. I have the right to leave my door unlocked, my money out, and my keys in my car. But, at the risk of sounding redundant, it's dangerously naive to do any of those things.

A thousand times this.

In a perfect world, they should be able to do anything they want within the boundaries of the law, but this is far from a perfect world.

Don't get me wrong, I do support them in their cause, and I want what they want just as much as they do ("slutty"-looking girls everywhere instead of covered-up girls? Yes please!), but that's not gonna happen, because the guy intent on raping them is not going to listen to reason.
As I said, I do support them and wish them the best of luck, but they are fighting a losing battle.

 

[Jimbo1212]

The issue is though, that slut has never meant anything else and it would still mean the same thing, they just don't want the negative connotation that comes with it. This is not an issue with grammar but with societies view on girls who sleep about and I doubt some silly protest will change that, especially when biology would disagree with them.

and what exactly does biology say about society's view of women who sleep about?

Not societies view, but natures view. Women are not meant to sleep around because they can get pregnant where as men do not have this issue hence testicle sizes, emotional attachments etc. Yes, we now have contraception, but for that to evolve out is going to take a very long time...if every.

 

[matt87_50]

WHERE!!!! WHEREEEREREREE!?!?!??!??

ahhh, this ole chestnut again... I brought up the same thing not to long ago and got shot down by a bunch of idiots...

yes, 'slut' was a poor choice of word.

no wait, no it wasn't it was a perfect choice, short, simple, universally understandable... everyone knows exactly what it is, because women AIM to do it... this of course does not mean they ARE a slut, or have any intention of having sex, or even being hit on... some of them aren't even doing it to tease, or even be noticed by men... its just what everyones doing...


if a gas station gets held up by a guy with a bat, and then the police suggest that the station should get a security mesh at the counter...

the store owner doesn't get up in arms saying "what??? are you saying I ASKED to be robbed by not having one??? that its all my fault?? this is an outrage!!!"

no, he doesn't, because he's not a ****ing moron... obviously the cop doesn't mean that, he is simply stating the harsh reality that if you get the inconvenient screen, it will help protect you from robberies...

obviously there are others, like cops fining you for going 1 over the speed limit, or for being on your mobile phone while driving... yes its annoying, hell, abstaining from these things will probably make little difference! to you, worth the risk!

but you HAVE to understand the point of view of the police officer... while the worst case consequence of not doing everything to protect yourself might be one in a million to you, they are consequence these officers see and deal with 24/7...

their perspective is skewed. right up to the point where it DOES happen to us... then it won't seem skewed at all...

women, STFU we get it, we know its not your fault if you are raped, in any way, this is obvious to everyone, you don't have to keep telling us, and I am sure they are doing everything else in their power to stop it happening. Listen to the advice, its entirely up to you whether you take it or not, but it is nothing but GOOD, HONEST, FACTUAL advice by a man WHO ONLY wants to help.

 

[KLJT]

I find the poster interesting when fighting sexism they decide say "Teach men not to rape" that is sexist as it presumes all men rape (opinion) and I'm a alcohol consoler in the UK around 75% of rape charges have to be dropped because both parties were so drunk they can't remember the night before, "Sluttish" clothing isn't the problem it's getting so pissed that you have sex with any random person and when you sober up you can't face the fact that you consented to have sex but at heart the message is right, don't blame the rapee because they didn't they didn't put up a good enough defense.

 

[DazBurger]

Or to put it another way:
Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?

1: Yes... I would feel sorry for them.
2: Because... I like looking at women wearing close to nothing... They (the "sluts") like, me looking at them, wearing close to nothing.


Is it their own damn fault when shops-lifters steal.. Because the store had good wares?
If you own a nice car.. Is it then your own fault if someone steals it?


Do I need to bar op all of my windows and cover every single window, where someone might look in and see something of value?


If you cant resist temptation like that, you don't fit into the modern society...

 

[EradiusLore]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

"of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?"

what disturbes me is how your trying to impose your belief onto other people (not religious are you?) so what if they want to be sluts, and how is it there fault if some guys are so uncivilised that they would rape someone! even if a girl was walking around naked i wouldnt be a barbarian and rape her!

if other people like to live a certain way deal with it, its not your problem!

 

[Kingsman]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

BTW, OP: God, YES. It is SO nice to know I'm not the only one noticing how stupidly unrestrained and over-indulgent people are becoming.

 

[CarlMin]

If women want to fuck around well then they should be able to fuck around all they fucking want without being judged by society, right?

Devil's advocate: Would you honestly not think negatively if the girl you were going to propose to told you she had had 20 sexual partners before you? Would you not be disappointed if your sister or daughter slept around at say age 16, increasing her chance of catching an STD or becoming pregnant?

I never asked my girlfriend how many guys she fucked before me. I considered it of being "her business" and I think it's about time society started doing the same.

STDs and pregnancy is a different thing all together. If my sister or daughter would have sex with a lot of different partners at a young age I would be worried, not because I think she is slut or anything of the like, but because she is taking risks.

 

[FlakAttack]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

Who rapes women because they dress provactively? Last I checked, all of our psychological research seemed to suggest women were raped as part of a power struggle by some who are mentally ill; it had nothing to do with whether they had a short skirt on or not.

 

[Harrowdown]

The word 'slut' is not only derogatory, but also rediculously sexist, and a police officer of all people used the word in such a way that he managed to insult and accuse womenkind in general. The 'advice' given was a very strong insinuation that a women can be responsible for getting raped because of how they dress. Either you've missed the point of the article, or you've referenced it without even reading beyond the first paragraph.

 

[v3n0mat3]

"Wanna run an epic train?"

 

[Kingsman]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

Who rapes women because they dress provactively? Last I checked, all of our psychological research seemed to suggest women were raped as part of a power struggle by some who are mentally ill; it had nothing to do with whether they had a short skirt on or not.

Source?

 

[Jimbo1212]

1: Yes... I would feel sorry for them.
2: Because... I like looking at women wearing close to nothing... They (the "sluts") like, me looking at them, wearing close to nothing.


Is it their own damn fault when shops-lifters steal.. Because the store had good wares?
If you own a nice car.. Is it then your own fault if someone steals it?


Do I need to bar op all of my windows and cover every single window, where someone might look in and see something of value?


If you cant resist temptation like that, you don't fit into the modern society...

Why do you feel sorry when the mistake is brought about by simple idiocy? I would call it natural selection/common sense doing what it does best.

Well when women advertise themselves around drunken men then it is taking a very high risk, just as if you were to go around and insult every drunken guy you see. If they were sober they probably would not punch you, but add some booze and they will......and the same goes for advertising sex.

If your store has no security and does not lock up, then yes, it is your fault.
If you leave your keys in the car, windows down, and tell everyone this, then yes, it is your fault.
See where I am going with this?
There is a difference between being normal, being paranoid, and being naive and ignorant, sluts normally falling into the latter.

"of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?"

what disturbes me is how your trying to impose your belief onto other people (not religious are you?) so what if they want to be sluts, and how is it there fault if some guys are so uncivilised that they would rape someone! even if a girl was walking around naked i wouldnt be a barbarian and rape her!

if other people like to live a certain way deal with it, its not your problem!

Many people have said what you have and it makes me wonder how many sluts you people have actually met, if any. From my experience sluts are some what broken in the head as they are very insecure, hence why they need attention and are desperate for male acceptance.