'Slut' Parade

[Colour Scientist]

But girls, if you want to stay nice and un-raped, not making yourself look like an easy and alluring target COULDN'T HURT. Don't go out alone at night in a skirt looking nervous.

You're so right, I'd never thought of this before!
You know, why stop there? I think when I go home later I'll shave my head and put an iron to my face just so I don't entice the rapists by looking somewhat pretty and never leave the house after eight o' clock just in case the sight of me after dark turns a perfectly normal guy into a crazed raping machine.

I really can't get over the opinions of a lot of people, men and women, on this site. The thought that women dressing "provocatively" justifies rape is bizarre, I don't even know how to respond.

 

[JonnWood]

Except for the statistics that state that women who are raped because of their clothing are the overwhelming minority. Dressing soberly is, statistically, more likely to end up with the victim raped.

Good of you to mention the word "statistically". The majority of rape victims are familiar with the rapist, and as such, are already a target regardless of what they are wearing. They are more likely to be attacked in their own home, rather than out on the town. For that reason, it would be incorrect to infer that it is the conservative dress that increases the chances of rape.

My post was meant to rhetorically imply a false causality between dressing soberly and being raped, by way of "reduction to the absurd" with your logic. There is a statistical correlation, but most rapists say they don't actually care what the woman was wearing.

In the minority of instances where a woman is targeted by a stranger, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume the rapist would be most attracted to the one with the revealing outfit who already appears to be "asking for it".

The operative word here being "assume". An assumption is, by definition, a leap of logic. You don't have anything to back you up.

I like how you moved goalposts from 'women' to 'women who are targeted by strangers'.

 

[DazBurger]

Why do you feel sorry when the mistake is brought about by simple idiocy? I would call it natural selection/common sense doing what it does best.

Well when women advertise themselves around drunken men then it is taking a very high risk, just as if you were to go around and insult every drunken guy you see. If they were sober they probably would not punch you, but add some booze and they will......and the same goes for advertising sex.

If your store has no security and does not lock up, then yes, it is your fault.
If you leave your keys in the car, windows down, and tell everyone this, then yes, it is your fault.
See where I am going with this?
There is a difference between being normal, being paranoid, and being naive and ignorant, sluts normally falling into the latter.

Wait wait wait... WAIT!
You are saying that theft, violence, rape and murder is... Mistakes?

And at that, "mistakes" bought on by simple idiocy from the side of the victim?..!!!

Iv seen enough lunatics to know when to pull out of a discussion, BAI!

 

[honestdiscussioner]

The idea is that they want to change the word, and let people know that even if a woman is the biggest slut that ever slutted, they are still allowed to say "no" when they feel like it. A woman being a slut does not mean it is legal to rape her.

 

[Amarok]

The point of the protest is not to say "We are proud of being sluts"

The point of the protest is not to say "We should be allowed to dress this way without fear of rape"

The point of the protest is to say "Men are responsible for their own actions; if a woman is raped, it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference to an officer whether a victim comes along wearing a tube top or a turtleneck".

They are protesting the callous dismissive-ness of a police officer here, and damn right too.

The amount of people on this site condemning the women doing this march is staggering.

I mean come on, put your latent misogyny aside for one second and think. Most of you here are male, I presume? Most of you have, in your time, seen a woman wearing something rather provocative.
Was your first instinct to rape her? Like some sex-crazed robot? No? (I hope not...)

This protest isn't so much about rape as it's about victim-blaming. If a rape is committed, the woman is in NO WAY responsible for it, not even if she was wearing a shirt with "FUCK ME" written on it in big gold letters.

 

[Cheesus333]

"Sluts say Yes"?

Yep, that's pretty much the exact prerequisite for being a slut. The ability to say 'yes'.

I don't really like sluts. I don't know why. Good for them if they're proud of it, though.

Read the story. Its the first sentence of the article.

"Thousands of women in the US and Canada have marched in response to a Toronto police officer's comment that women should try not to dress like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimised."

Let me break it down a bit. "Sluts say yes". "Girls getting raped are not saying yes". Get it yet?

I don't want to make any comment on your reading comprehension but perhaps you should do more than look at the pictures.

I did read the article. I chose to comment on the immediately available picture anyway.

Besides, if you think about it, people who see that sign may well not know the context (they won't have an article to read).

 

[Ampersand]

Don't be a twat. There's nothing wrong with their life style, it's not for everyone but as long as they practice it safely, then there's no problem.

 

[Sarah Frazier]

I don't see why so many people, men or women, think that being barely dressed = well dressed. Maybe it's just the way I was raised, but having as many inches of skin hanging out is just inviting trouble not only from men bold/dumb/horny enough to try to get a piece, but also other women who "are just jealous" and won't lift a finger if they get in trouble. The method of trying to get support also comes across as a bit silly since you don't see protests springing up for every little insult created; parades to celebrate a particular lifestyle can get more support than simply waving signs around on a street corner. Maybe a Woman's Pride parade, since that would come across better than Slut Pride.

 

[SilentCom]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

BTW, OP: God, YES. It is SO nice to know I'm not the only one noticing how stupidly unrestrained and over-indulgent people are becoming.

The oppression thing is a bit of crap. These women have far more rights than any other group of women in the world. They can dress like sluts without being arrested, unlike some places in the world, and just because some men have raped some women in the past doesn't mean they are oppressed. Most of those women were probably not even raped or anything. The truth is that some women have been raped throughout the ages in many different circumstances. It is not just sluts, so there really isn't any reason they would be celebrating.

 

[mighty_wambat]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

I'm pretty sure that you missed the point of the entire thing which was as follows: They were protesting the idea that a woman "asks" to be raped based solely on what she's wearing at the time.

I agree that taking the blame away from the RAPIST in the situation is detrimental. So I agree with them.

If I remember right, (I didn't read that specific article on it all the way through, but have read about this before), the whole "slut" thing came out of a judge calling a rape victim a slut because of how she dressed.

On the other hand if you pull a lion's tail you can't be surprised it it turns round and rips your face off.

It is a truism that if men are "distracted" by women's bodies then that is DE JURE the man's problem (he must bear the burden of self-restraint), not the woman's. But when it comes to sexual harassment/assault that is when it becomes DE FACTO the woman's problem.

For example why is it OK for a Park Warden to lecture the family of a dead hiker "ooh well he shouldn't have provoked that wild bear by playing with it's cubs, that bear was only responding instinctively." when saying the equivalent for a human-human assault would be so insensitive? What is so special about humans compared to wild animals? Why is it because animals are EXPECTED to be animalistic is the burden of responsibility shifted to the human, yet with humans who are quite frankly insane do they retain responsibility.

A lot of males that are living freely in society are more like animals, they think with their base instincts and use violence to get what they want, you do not want to provoke these people even if you have every legal right. As when some sociopath with 50lbs more muscle than you attacks you then it's the law of the jungle and the strongest will prevail, not the just.

I think it is important in a functional society to know the extent and limitations of Civil Rights and Practical Rights.

The law is not and cannot be everywhere. The police cannot stop every assault, it cannot track down every rapist, hell It can't even give a proportional punishment for rape, there is no way of matching that.

This is why I think the power protecting rights - what makes civil rights practical rights - should be in the hands of people that actually need them. I think that extends to things like the 2nd Amendment, which are all about putting power in the hands of those that need it such as arming women to level the playing field with men who get what they want thanks to the testosterone induced strength advantage.

you are 100% insane,

the law is not everywhere? yes it is. this is what gives the law its authority, the very fact that it is consistent and everywhere. hence: the rule of law.

men are not bears. men are men who are capable of controlling them selves, bears are animals who should not be poked.

there are no limits on your civil rights. there is no such thing as "practical rights"
rights are impractical, which is among the reasons why they are so imported.

the fact that humans are animals does not mean we have no humanity. we are communicating on computers, bears have no computers. we are self aware, bears are bears.

you don't understand what the word "animal" implies, you don't understand women rights, you don't understand law, you sound like an uneducated, black and white thinking; genetic-determinist.

one final thought; a gentleman will always call evil by its name. if you encounter a 501lb person (who would probably be a blob not a rock but anyway) who is raping a woman,the moral thing to do is call the cops. not just say "well, that's the way of the jungle". everyone knows this, which is why its the law.

you, sir, are no gentleman.

 

[A Curious Fellow]

But girls, if you want to stay nice and un-raped, not making yourself look like an easy and alluring target COULDN'T HURT. Don't go out alone at night in a skirt looking nervous. It's a simple precaution.

You're so right, I'd never thought of this before!
You know, why stop there? I think when I go home later I'll shave my head and put an iron to my face just so I don't entice the rapists by looking somewhat pretty and never leave the house after eight o' clock just in case the sight of me after dark turns a perfectly normal guy into a crazed raping machine.

I really can't get over the opinions of a lot of people, men and women, on this site. The thought that women dressing "provocatively" justifies rape is bizarre, I don't even know how to respond.

You're such an idiot.

And I, for one, and phenomenally insulted that you would ever fucking accuse me of saying anything justifies rape.

Apologize.

 

[Colour Scientist]

The oppression thing is a bit of crap. These women have far more rights than any other group of women in the world. They can dress like sluts without being arrested, unlike some places in the world, and just because some men have raped some women in the past doesn't mean they are oppressed. Most of those women were probably not even raped or anything. The truth is that some women have been raped throughout the ages in many different circumstances. It is not just sluts, so there really isn't any reason they would be celebrating.

So they have no right to protest unless they have been raped? What?
It's about women being blamed, or partially, blamed for a man raping them due to their choice of clothes.

 

[SilentCom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

"of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?"

what disturbes me is how your trying to impose your belief onto other people (not religious are you?) so what if they want to be sluts, and how is it there fault if some guys are so uncivilised that they would rape someone! even if a girl was walking around naked i wouldnt be a barbarian and rape her!

if other people like to live a certain way deal with it, its not your problem!

Of the quote regarding "warped/hedonistic parts of Western society", the poster did not expressively say that it is the woman's fault. They pointed out that the slutty women were ignoring advice and instead celebrating the opposite. While I believe it is not the woman's fault for being raped, as rape is non-consentual, the woman still dress in a way that provokes men, hence the term 'provocative.'

Basically, it's not the woman's fault, but she still made herself an easier target. It's sort of like covering yourself in honey and running around in the woods, only to get attacked by a bear or something. Sure, I didn't choose to get attacked by the bear, but I made myself an attractive target.

Another example is walking around in a shady area of the city after dark caring around a bag full of money.

The poster's point is that hedonistic behavior on part of the women is basically trying to remove all sense of responsibility from the women in an attempt to make them seem more innocent. They try doing so by saying it is their choice. They just forget that with every choice there is a consequence.

 

[Reaperman64]

Yes people should be allowed to do and dress how they want, although the empowering thing seems a little off ( How does dressing provacativly empower you?).
The thing is its dangerous to. The other day i wanted a bacon sandwich at about 3 in the morning. There is an all night tescos about a mile from me, except i live in a bad neibourhood, so i had the sense not to go. Same here really. Although people could dress how they want but be more sensible and wed be hunky dory

TLDR Support the idea, campaigns a little weird though

 

[Colour Scientist]

You're such an idiot.

And I, for one, and phenomenally insulted that you would ever fucking accuse me of saying anything justifies rape.

Apologize.

The latter section of that post wasn't aimed at you but perhaps I should have made that more clear.

Even still, I can't help but react negatively to any sort of suggestion that women bring it upon themselves with the way they dress. I shouldn't have to refrain from wearing a skirt just because I might make myself an 'easy and alluring target'.

 

[SilentCom]

The oppression thing is a bit of crap. These women have far more rights than any other group of women in the world. They can dress like sluts without being arrested, unlike some places in the world, and just because some men have raped some women in the past doesn't mean they are oppressed. Most of those women were probably not even raped or anything. The truth is that some women have been raped throughout the ages in many different circumstances. It is not just sluts, so there really isn't any reason they would be celebrating.

So they have no right to protest unless they have been raped? What?
It's about women being blamed, or partially, blamed for a man raping them due to their choice of clothes.

They have the right to protest, but their choice of words aren't good. The protesting part should emphasize more on how rape is wrong rather than trying to make themselve out to be "sluts".

Also, as I have posted, rape has been something that was done through out the ages and not just against women who dress provocatively (rape affects non-provocative women as well as some men or children). If anything, these women should protest against rape itself and try to gain a stronger holding on punishment toward rape, rather than celebrating their right to where provocative clothing.

Overall, rape isn't about provocative clothing, its about a man (usually) with no self control whom inacts his desire of sexual intercourse through force.

 

[A Curious Fellow]

You're such an idiot.

And I, for one, and phenomenally insulted that you would ever fucking accuse me of saying anything justifies rape.

Apologize.

The latter section of that post wasn't aimed at you but perhaps I should have made that more clear.

Even still, I can't help but react negatively to any sort of suggestion that women bring it upon themselves with the way they dress. I shouldn't have to refrain from wearing a skirt just because I might make myself an 'easy and alluring target'.

Maybe we should all be clear: Rape is heinous and the men who do it are acting out pouwer fantasies or obeying an antiquated animalistic instinct at best, evil and psychopathic at worst. They shouldn't do it, first and foremost. That's just basic justice.

But I say safety comes before justice. I tell my friends, I tell my girlfriend, I'm telling you, and I would tell any woman: Make yourself as safe as you reasonably can. As far as that goes? Don't be stupid with the way you dress, the places you go, or the company you keep. By rights you should be allowed to do whatever you want, but the hard truth is that predators exist, and you can't just will them away with high minded sensibilities.

By all means, stand up for women's rights. I'm right there with you. But preaching something doesn't make it so. Take precautions for reality in the meantime.

 

[Colour Scientist]

They have the right to protest, but their choice of words aren't good. The protesting part should emphasize more on how rape is wrong rather than trying to make themselve out to be "sluts".

Also, as I have posted, rape has been something that was done through out the ages and not just against women who dress provocatively (rape affects non-provocative women as well as some men or children). If anything, these women should protest against rape itself and try to gain a stronger holding on punishment toward rape, rather than celebrating their right to where provocative clothing.

Overall, rape isn't about provocative clothing, its about a man (usually) with no self control whom inacts his desire of sexual intercourse through force.

But the fact that rape is wrong should be readily understood. What they're protesting against is the attitude of the policeman in question that "sluts" bring it upon themselves and the negative connotations associated with the label.

It's not about the men who rape the women, it's society's attitude that the victim is partially to blame due to her choice of clothing or consentual, sexual activities.

 

[AgentNein]

But girls, if you want to stay nice and un-raped, not making yourself look like an easy and alluring target COULDN'T HURT. Don't go out alone at night in a skirt looking nervous.

You're so right, I'd never thought of this before!
You know, why stop there? I think when I go home later I'll shave my head and put an iron to my face just so I don't entice the rapists by looking somewhat pretty and never leave the house after eight o' clock just in case the sight of me after dark turns a perfectly normal guy into a crazed raping machine.

I really can't get over the opinions of a lot of people, men and women, on this site. The thought that women dressing "provocatively" justifies rape is bizarre, I don't even know how to respond.

Don't forget your burka!

But wait... some dude could still see your eyes and be driven to an understandable level of hysteria. Burka with sunglasses. That's all you really need to do. Is that so hard?

 

[Xanadu84]

A woman should be able to wear whatever they want, no matter how skimpy or sexy, without fearing repercussion of rape.

Question: If a women is wearing a G String and scotch tape over her nipples, and gets drunk in a seedy bar and gets raped, whose fault is it? Answer: The rapist. Only. Period. No one else, whatsoever, in even the tinest way. You can argue that the woman could have taken more precautions to avoid rape, sure. That doesn't change the fact that it is the rapists fault, and the woman is nothing except a victim. Blameing the victim is a horrible game.

Being willing to sleep around with a number of men, and having CONSENSUAL sex with any number of partners has absolutely nothing to do with rape. It gives a rapist no permission, rights, and no leniency. Besides, rape a very serious matter, and I am sure that even the rapist knows that. Frankly, I am kind of insulted as a MAN, that there is this implication that is we males are just exposed to a certain amount of sexiness, we will magically be turned into rapist, that a rapists shortcoming is just succumbing to the siren song of slutty women who are, "Asking for it". Bullshit. A rapist has chosen to do something horrible, and if they want to rape someone, opportunity is by far more important then what they are wearing. It doesn't matter if you are wearing a bikini or a burqua.

Lastly, I have to acknowledge a point AGAINST this walk. I understand the desire to, "Take it back" regarding certain words. But I don't think it works quite so well. I mean, these days, the term, "Slut" really doesn't mean, "A woman who sleeps with many partners". The implication is that they are unloyal, bitchy, manipulative, use sex for shallow purposes, and are generally not very nice. That doesn't seem to inspire a lot of sympathy, and just undercuts what you are trying to do. Stick to the important parts of the message.