You do realize tha Shiva is a hermaphradite right? All Hindu gods are.Tanis said:Don't let the anti-freedom camp win:
FIGHT THIS BATTLE AGAINST RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS!
We can NOT allow religious groups, of any sort, to win battles when it comes to freedom of speech.
This leads us down a dark road of burning books, Shari Law, and female genital mutilation.
Also, Shiva was sexier in FF8 anyways:
I was addressing the point made in the post, not the person who'd made it. Having seen Christian, Muslim, & Hindu zealotry first hand I can assure you it's difficult to overstate the disgusting effects of their foul dogmas (take as examples the two & a half year prison sentence given to a man in Jakarta two months ago because he's an athiest; the sporadic murder & rape sprees Christians & Muslims perpetrate against one another in numerous African states; the enforced poverty of Hindus if they're born into a certain caste; genital mutilation of children; the murder of rape victims on the grounds of adultery in Pakistan & Iran; the murder of homosexuals; the bombing of doctors' surgeries in the US, etc. etc.).Flight said:Given that most of Tanis' posts on this particular subject appear to have been grossly overstating religious zealotry in general, I don't believe he was. Furthermore, I've seen the Islamic and Muslim faiths being confused for one another quite a few times. One can never be certain.catalyst8 said:I believe Tanis was making a point using a broad set of examples not directed simply to Hinduism but to all of the primitive superstitions (hence 'religious groups, of any sort'), & a fair point it is. You do realize that, don't you?
I think it's safe to say that zealotry in any form is horrible. However, this situation is not what that is. This is about a religious group being upset that their (still widely practiced) religion is apparently fair game. But if it's "fair game", then why aren't the other "main religions" fair game, too?catalyst8 said:I was addressing the point made in the post, not the person who'd made it. Having seen Christian, Muslim, & Hindu zealotry first hand I can assure you it's difficult to overstate the disgusting effects of their foul dogmas (take as examples the two & a half year prison sentence given to a man in Jakarta two months ago because he's an athiest; the sporadic murder & rape sprees Christians & Muslims perpetrate against one another in numerous African states; the enforced poverty of Hindus if they're born into a certain caste; genital mutilation of children; the murder of rape victims on the grounds of adultery in Pakistan & Iran; the murder of homosexuals; the bombing of doctors' surgeries in the US, etc. etc.).
"I've seen the Islamic and Muslim faiths being confused for one another quite a few times."
They are the same, a Muslim is a follower of the Islamic sect of the Abrahamic religion.
This. Ever bit as harsh as this and even harsher. Screw them, and by "them" I mean the development team and all of the religious paste-eaters who called for the ban.Adam Jensen said:Fuckin' pussies. We have to stop listening to the whining of people who believe in fuckin' nonsense.
If you don't use your rights, they will be taken away.erttheking said:...you know that this isn't going to destroy the freedom of speech right? Maybe you can all calm down a little?
Removing a single image =/= the destruction of freedom of speech.
Except "free speech" isn't really an issue here.ElPatron said:If you don't use your rights, they will be taken away.
Except this isn't censorship. Voluntary removal of an image is not censorship. It's, in this case, "not being a douche."This sounds very extreme, but the they had no obligation to remove the image. Now there is a precedent that can be used to defend censorship.
Uncanny? I don't think you're using the word right.Did you know that the song Sympathy For The Devil was removed from Black Ops in Germany because it had a reference to "Blitzkrieg"? Uncanny, right?
Wow, straw-feminism is so rampant it's now being made up in new and unrelated areas.Belated said:I first saw that image and thought "Oh, this is gonna be due to some feminazi complaint about the goddesses' boobs, right?"
I like how you completely and conveniently ignored the rest of my post which went into detail as to exactly what I meant. I'm obviously not talking about all feminists, just ones who go too far. And yes, feminists like that DO exist. For example, feminists who think bikinis in and of themselves are wrong, exist by the thousands. Feminists who are against any kind of sexiness DO exist by the thousands. It's not just a "straw" thing. They may not represent true feminists, or come close to being a majority. But they do exist. That's why I'm careful to differentiate between feminism and feminazism. I think the former of the two is a good thing. But the latter serves as a term that encompasses when it goes too far.Zachary Amaranth said:Wow, straw-feminism is so rampant it's now being made up in new and unrelated areas.Belated said:I first saw that image and thought "Oh, this is gonna be due to some feminazi complaint about the goddesses' boobs, right?"
While it's an objectionable mean redux you pulled there, just get this:Zachary Amaranth said:Wow, straw-feminism is so rampant it's now being made up in new and unrelated areas.Belated said:I first saw that image and thought "Oh, this is gonna be due to some feminazi complaint about the goddesses' boobs, right?"
Because it isn't an assault on freedom of speech. It's a business decision. An Asian and Indian audience is huge. That audience asked (not really politely, but they asked) to be removed from a game. Buddhist and Catholic organizations joined. It should be noted that Hinduism is the only living religion with a character in this game. It was an insensitive choice, the game was still in Beta, and content gets cut all the time at this stage. Especially when a potential market is involved.Mygaffer said:That has nothing to do with it. If you believe otherwise explain why that should come to bear on my right to protest their request if I believe it an attempt at suppression of speech?jmarquiso said:Are you asking them for money?Mygaffer said:Sure, they have a right to protest. Just as much as I have the right to tell them to piss off. I hope the developer does the same thing.