His statements don't seems that crazy, most of them are pretty sensible, and none of them strike me as particularly awful or wrong. God, this social justice shit has got to stop. Is starting a manhunt on a guy who said basically reasonable things that don't happen to align with your political view really the best course of action in your opinion? Is that moral? Let me guess, this is the part where you pressure his sponsors to drop out and slowly make his life as bad as possible while trying to convince yourselves you have the moral high-ground by whatever twisted logic you can pull out of your asses. I get that the right does this shit sometimes too, but certain segments of the left are really seem to be starting to make an art out of it lately.
So apparently JonTron is a racist
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His statements don't seems that crazy, most of them are pretty sensible, and none of them strike me as particularly awful or wrong. God, this social justice shit has got to stop. Is starting a manhunt on a guy who said basically reasonable things that don't happen to align with your political view really the best course of action in your opinion? Is that moral? Let me guess, this is the part where you pressure his sponsors to drop out and slowly make his life as bad as possible while trying to convince yourselves you have the moral high-ground by whatever twisted logic you can pull out of your asses. I get that the right does this shit sometimes too, but certain segments of the left are really seem to be starting to make an art out of it lately.
Oh jon, his statements aren't crazy, and while the implications of that information may be unpleasant, to call him racist for bringing that information up alone is pretty much calling reality itself racist for not demonstrating equality in the stats being used in the first place.
If there is a trend among a demographic, pointing to that trend is not itself racist. Using that trend to make assumptions about the group can be. Using the trend as justification for treating people differently is. But pointing to the trend itself isn't.
With dogs, they are certainly breed for specific traits such as size, color, patterns, etc, though behavior is a harder one to pin down. Unlike the visually identifiable traits, mental ones, where such patterns of behavior would stem from, are far harder to pin down. Experience has been shown to have drastic effects on behavior after all, easily shaping it in smarter animals, especially those more predisposed to being susceptible to it. I would go so far as to argue that before any arguments can be even put forth about inherited behavior, you would really have to pin down which ones are instinctual and which are learned.
Not that anyone can deny some behaviors are inherited predispositions. Dog's behavior of sniffing to explore the world around them would be impossible to deny as inherent. Harder to pin down behavior between breeds though. Considering that experience can over-rule the predisposition to a behavior (any dog trained to not bark for instance), and the way humans treat and train dogs often with purpose express to their breed (rottweilers and pit bulls as guard dogs, for instance) it can create a pattern of behavior that is bound to the breed that still isn't inherent to the breed genetically.
Those dismissing that behavior is entirely uninheritable though are simply flat-out wrong though. Pinpointing what traits are inherited is difficult, but dismissing it entirely is ignoring reality. Animals of every sort have natural behavior. Hell, migratory animals like birds have such behavior so ingrained into their species that they completely depend upon it for continuation of that species.
If there is a trend among a demographic, pointing to that trend is not itself racist. Using that trend to make assumptions about the group can be. Using the trend as justification for treating people differently is. But pointing to the trend itself isn't.
An interesting question. I'll jump in because I rather enjoy the nature v nurture debate, have some opinions about flaws people pass over with regard to it, and because quite frankly watching it be handwaved away because the implications alone upset people is a discredit to the reasoning behind it in the first place.SimpleFool said:
With dogs, they are certainly breed for specific traits such as size, color, patterns, etc, though behavior is a harder one to pin down. Unlike the visually identifiable traits, mental ones, where such patterns of behavior would stem from, are far harder to pin down. Experience has been shown to have drastic effects on behavior after all, easily shaping it in smarter animals, especially those more predisposed to being susceptible to it. I would go so far as to argue that before any arguments can be even put forth about inherited behavior, you would really have to pin down which ones are instinctual and which are learned.
Not that anyone can deny some behaviors are inherited predispositions. Dog's behavior of sniffing to explore the world around them would be impossible to deny as inherent. Harder to pin down behavior between breeds though. Considering that experience can over-rule the predisposition to a behavior (any dog trained to not bark for instance), and the way humans treat and train dogs often with purpose express to their breed (rottweilers and pit bulls as guard dogs, for instance) it can create a pattern of behavior that is bound to the breed that still isn't inherent to the breed genetically.
Those dismissing that behavior is entirely uninheritable though are simply flat-out wrong though. Pinpointing what traits are inherited is difficult, but dismissing it entirely is ignoring reality. Animals of every sort have natural behavior. Hell, migratory animals like birds have such behavior so ingrained into their species that they completely depend upon it for continuation of that species.
I'm interested in pressing the question: Why do people look for means to justify their hatred of those they deem inferior, even when they have more than they need?
Actually, why justify hatred; promote intolerance? Genocide? Jontron is doing some serious preaching, almost cult-like.
Hateful people, I've noticed, never admit their hate, they just play on others' sheltered fears to "encourage" hate.
Actually, why justify hatred; promote intolerance? Genocide? Jontron is doing some serious preaching, almost cult-like.
Hateful people, I've noticed, never admit their hate, they just play on others' sheltered fears to "encourage" hate.
I'd say it's more that only in American can you take the statements Jon stated as construe them as being racist, but then given how many Canadian and Europeans users have done so it seems more a Western thing then an American one.Dejawesp said:
Of topic: Jesus this threat blew up today. With how little free time I have I'm not even going to have time to reach most of this.
He's also half Hungarian, and we are racist as fuck, so it checks out.Dejawesp said:
Now that I think about it, that makes me a part JonTron then, welp, I'm off to /pol/ I guess.
Praise kek!
Dizchu said:
Are there particularly large numbers of evangelical American Christians emigrating to Europe?
Or is this just one of those "Whataboutisms"?
I mean, except the ones nobody can find a source for, the ones which blatantly ignore past events, the ones that blatantly ignore current events, and the ones that are provably wrong, sure.9tailedflame said:
There aren't particularly large numbers of Muslims emigrating to Europe either, but don't let that stop you.The Lunatic said:
You know it's funny, last year it was easy as hell to find information on it like this [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/], and today it takes using a different combination of words about two dozen tries to not find the near totality being a combination of blogs and fake news talking about JonTron.Dejawesp said:
I want to believe it's a case of Google's system thinking it's most relevant, but given how openly malisious they've been in the past two years in terms of trying smash out wrongthink that doesn't agree with their views that are far-left even by Nordic standards I don't want to assume a mistake with those odds.
From what little I've seen (literally less than a minute), JonTron sounded like he was just regurgitating anti-SJW talking points like "identity politics", "cultural marxism" and "it's just a reaction to the crazy left" without being able to explain any of them through examples. Sad, really, because I think it could have been an interesting discussion. But instead he made a total ass of himself and (apparently) came across as a racist retard.
altnameJag said:
How about we don't let people into our country if the hate the people inhabiting them to begin with? Regardless of which sky figure they worship.
You don't see a fire and think, "You know what would put this fire out? More petrol!"
You mean the source that talks about how black people are more likely to be arrested due to racism? That was the main conclusion of the article. And you use it as a source to claim that black people are more likely to commit crimes than whites?Zontar said:
Seriously? Is this the best you have to back up that statement of his? And now you're raising the implication that Google might be actively hiding it from you? Are you actually freaking serious? You are actually entertaining the thought that this is what a conglomerate that's worth nearly half a trillion dollars spends its time doing?
Also, what happened to the FBI part of your claim? Because that ain't the fucking FBI you linked to.
Oh c'mon, Jontron isn't racist. Not in the slightest. I listened to the whole thing and I got the points he was trying to get across. He just did it really, really badly. VERY BADLY. It's clear he's not used to debate and fell into a lot of verbal traps just trying to get his point across because Destiny was ignoring the valid points he was making. It made him double down to try to make him understand what he was trying to say, and instead he overstated the points he was making and turned its tone to sounding extreme.
I mean, I agree with what Jon was trying to say, but he made me cringe a few times because he was just trying too hard. Jon was perfectly reasonable in the other podcasts he was in with Sargon. Jon is clearly just used to having conversations with people that already agree with him, and that caused him to flounder when in actual debate. I've experienced the exact same thing when talking to my brother about religion, but then failed to be persuasive when talking to my actually religious parents. It happens, and I hope to hear Jon learn from this and grow from it. I know he has it in him.
I mean, I agree with what Jon was trying to say, but he made me cringe a few times because he was just trying too hard. Jon was perfectly reasonable in the other podcasts he was in with Sargon. Jon is clearly just used to having conversations with people that already agree with him, and that caused him to flounder when in actual debate. I've experienced the exact same thing when talking to my brother about religion, but then failed to be persuasive when talking to my actually religious parents. It happens, and I hope to hear Jon learn from this and grow from it. I know he has it in him.