So apparently JonTron is a racist

[Imp_Emissary]

Well, I think Jon explained his view quite clearly.

"We've gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries. If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land."

*Jon bitches about white people being discriminated against*

You got to pay attention to see it, but he was helpful to make it quite clear for those who do. =w= b

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Okay so I looked up this JonTron guy. Turns out I had heard him before, but not heard of him. He's apparently the voice of Celestia in the Two Best Sisters Play shorts. Who knew? Who cares?

Aside from that he literally seems like as has-been. He was a Grump(that's right, right?) and then left and hasn't done anything since. Why do we care, why is his opinion relevant, let alone 10 pages worthy? He was a dude from a YouTube channel at one time, like 5 years ago.

 

[BrawlMan]

That's their big controversy? They made fun of the shitty walkthrough they were using?

It's the principle of the matter. While theirs actions are not as bad Jon's, but it's a case of they should have known better. The guy's name they mentioned face harassment over a FAQ he made over 15 years ago. The psychotic fans who did most defintely are blame, but Arin and Danny have to share the responsibility of what they did.

This is the internet... draw attention to someone for doing something 'bad' or something your fans think is 'bad' means you are going to get a lot of those fans going after that person with harassment and abuse... in this case it looks like an accident through lack of thinking things through, but some people do this very deliberately to try and shut down people they don't like.

Thank you. I remember the early days of Youtube suffered so much from this. I know it's still goes on, but back between 2007-2010 some user was trying to harass or shutdown other users over petty squabbles. Sometimes this did lead to death threats.

 

[BrawlMan]

It's the principle of the matter. While theirs actions are not as bad Jon's, but it's a case of they should have known better. The guy's name they mentioned face harassment over a FAQ he made over 15 years ago. The psychotic fans who did most defintely are blame, but Arin and Danny have to share the responsibility of what they did.

They fixed their mistake and removed the guy's name from the video. That is taking responsibility. Does it not count until they have been adequately publicly shamed or lose X number of subscribers or something?

They did the right thing by doing that, but the damage was already done by that point. I don't want them lose subscribers or to be publicly shamed, but as far as I am concerned I want nothing to do with them. If people still want to support or watch them, I have no problems with that.

 

[Eri]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...


This sure as hell makes Destiny look way worse than anything he did to Jon.

 

[Dansen]

Okay so I looked up this JonTron guy. Turns out I had heard him before, but not heard of him. He's apparently the voice of Celestia in the Two Best Sisters Play shorts. Who knew? Who cares?

Aside from that he literally seems like as has-been. He was a Grump(that's right, right?) and then left and hasn't done anything since. Why do we care, why is his opinion relevant, let alone 10 pages worthy? He was a dude from a YouTube channel at one time, like 5 years ago.

Except he isn't a "has been". He got Disney to pay him for a series he did on star wars licensed games. They have some insane production value compared to the usual youtuber stuff. His channel has well over 3 mil subscribers without artificially churning out tons of daily videos like game grumps. He is a well established channel with some reach(as far as youtubers go). Clearly he has/had fans on this site as well, just figured I would share this info with people who might be interested. You know, like what you are supposed to do on a forum?

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

It's the principle of the matter. While theirs actions are not as bad Jon's, but it's a case of they should have known better. The guy's name they mentioned face harassment over a FAQ he made over 15 years ago. The psychotic fans who did most defintely are blame, but Arin and Danny have to share the responsibility of what they did.

They fixed their mistake and removed the guy's name from the video. That is taking responsibility. Does it not count until they have been adequately publicly shamed or lose X number of subscribers or something?

They did the right thing by doing that, but the damage was already done by that point. I don't want them lose subscribers or to be publicly shamed, but as far as I am concerned I want nothing to do with them. If people still want to support or watch them, I have no problems with that.

"The damage was already done". TBH it sounds like you're overreacting as much as those fans did, just in the other direction.

 

[CaitSeith]

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He got a pretty dedicated fanbase from his early days (and now 3 million subscribers in his main channel). He was pretty much good in making AVGN-like videos, but instead of rage and hardcore swearing, it featured "LOL so random" (which the Internet loves).

Spoiler

I find some of his videos entertaining; but that's all. JonTron as a show persona was never of my liking.

 

[BrawlMan]

It's the principle of the matter. While theirs actions are not as bad Jon's, but it's a case of they should have known better. The guy's name they mentioned face harassment over a FAQ he made over 15 years ago. The psychotic fans who did most defintely are blame, but Arin and Danny have to share the responsibility of what they did.

They fixed their mistake and removed the guy's name from the video. That is taking responsibility. Does it not count until they have been adequately publicly shamed or lose X number of subscribers or something?

They did the right thing by doing that, but the damage was already done by that point. I don't want them lose subscribers or to be publicly shamed, but as far as I am concerned I want nothing to do with them. If people still want to support or watch them, I have no problems with that.

"The damage was already done". TBH it sounds like you're overreacting as much as those fans did, just in the other direction.

I am just tired of of either of these people I like or respected come off as such inept idiots or jackasses. And then you got the people going way overboard to defend them and act like they did nothing wrong. As mentioned in a few earlier posts, Arin and Dan's content holds no interests me, so even if that moment never happened, they still have issues. Not like Jon's, but something I don'w want to waste my limited time watching It's been a rough week me for too, but I won't use that as an excuse (plus things are already looking up).

I won't dwell on it any longer as I've already said my piece. Thanks for checking on me Johnny. I understand your disagreements, but that is how I honestly feel.

 

[WindKnight]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

[Snip]

This sure as hell makes Destiny look way worse than anything he did to Jon.

At the risk of derailing, you really should watch Hbomberguys videos on Sargon befores using Sargons videos to prove anyone except Sargon is an idiot.

 

[Zontar]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

[Snip]

This sure as hell makes Destiny look way worse than anything he did to Jon.

At the risk of derailing, you really should watch Hbomberguys videos on Sargon befores using Sargons videos to prove anyone except Sargon is an idiot.

Is that the same Hbomberguys who's only video of worth is an hour and a half long rant about why Fallout 3 sucks?

And why no link to the video in question if you want someone to see it?

 

[WindKnight]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

[Snip]

This sure as hell makes Destiny look way worse than anything he did to Jon.

At the risk of derailing, you really should watch Hbomberguys videos on Sargon befores using Sargons videos to prove anyone except Sargon is an idiot.

Is that the same Hbomberguys who's only video of worth is an hour and a half long rant about why Fallout 3 sucks?

And why no link to the video in question if you want someone to see it?

Because I DIDN'T want to derail the thread, and if they can't find both of the videos, they can pm me for a link and I'll provide.

 

[Irwin126]

Semi Relevant Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAVYEzK1Tl8

 

[Charli]

Okay so I looked up this JonTron guy. Turns out I had heard him before, but not heard of him. He's apparently the voice of Celestia in the Two Best Sisters Play shorts. Who knew? Who cares?

Aside from that he literally seems like as has-been. He was a Grump(that's right, right?) and then left and hasn't done anything since. Why do we care, why is his opinion relevant, let alone 10 pages worthy? He was a dude from a YouTube channel at one time, like 5 years ago.

He's not from that, That's Matt and Pat from Two best friends. And his actual youtube career is quite lucrative gaining millions of hits on each release he makes. He's been widely known for a good few years.

https://www.youtube.com/user/JonTronShow

 

[Zontar]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

Why do Sargon's fans think that posting long-form rant videos is a compelling argument?

Because that isn't what was posted, what was posted was a discussion between Sargon and Destiny.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

This sure as hell makes Destiny look way worse than anything he did to Jon.

Is this the same Sargon that said feminists are ruining American culture because of Mad Max, despite Mad Max being Australian and directed by George Miller like every other Mad Max film and the fact that Mad Max has never made gendered arguments about violence in the Wasteland?

Funny how all the idiots crawled out of the woodwork over this, without having ever watched any Mad Max film.

Almost as if they're manufacturing battlefields...

 

[Wrex Brogan]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

Why do Sargon's fans think that posting long-form rant videos is a compelling argument?

Because that isn't what was posted, what was posted was a discussion between Sargon and Destiny.

To be fair, it is a Sargon video, so it still counts as a long-form rant, just one that happens to include another person.

 

[Zontar]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

This sure as hell makes Destiny look way worse than anything he did to Jon.

Is this the same Sargon that said feminists are ruining American culture because of Mad Max, despite Mad Max being Australian and directed by George Miller like every other Mad Max film and the fact that Mad Max has never made gendered arguments about violence in the Wasteland?

To put things bluntly, no, the Sargon of Akkad account on YouTube is not the same person as that guy from the site who's name escapes me since I've never frequented it and was only made aware of its existence when the two Sargons both stated that no, they are not the same person they just by coincidence chose the same user name.

 

[Zontar]

To everyone defending Destiny (who is an idiot)...

Why do Sargon's fans think that posting long-form rant videos is a compelling argument?

Because that isn't what was posted, what was posted was a discussion between Sargon and Destiny.

To be fair, it is a Sargon video, so it still counts as a long-form rant, just one that happens to include another person.

I can't argue that it isn't long form, but it isn't a rant given a rant is by its natural singular, while the video itself is a back and forth dialogue between two people.

 

[PapaGreg096]

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Well keep in mind black do tend to live in more urban cities so that is a factor