So Bin Laden is Dead, what now?
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Damn, I could not have said it better myself. People are missing the point of all this; a mass murderer has been killed, and the world is a better place without him. And really, can he claim to be a martyr at this point? he was found hiding out and was shot to death. Would I have liked it if he had been brought to trial? Yeah, probably, but the end result would've been the same. So, great work America!kotorfan04 said:
Nah I'm a Brit and I see Americans as our bro's which I think is a pretty common view in the North at least. You have more extremes of everything because you are a bigger country I don't think real people (ie not the media) hold that against you. The only thing that puzzles me about America is the health care system but thats a whole different issue.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
Good Job on eliminating the dangerous criminal *brofist*
Yeah, did anyone else think it was odd that the news really broke with only ten minutes left of Celebrity Apprentice (Donald Trump's show)? My mom thinks so, but personally i think it may have been coincidence.Sonic Doctor said:
Also, I think Trump would be great as well. Hell, if he ran the country like he runs his companies, then the US will be the most financially prosperous nation in the world in no time.
Brad Shepard said:
To be blunt, whether we pull out or not has a lot to do with the future of the country.
A lot of liberals and peace at any price types who have been wanting to cut and run since almost the very beginning are going to want to say that this means it's over, and we can pull out with dignity. In reality we've accomplished very little since Bin Ladin is more a symptom than the cause of the problems we're dealing with. As I point out all the time, the issue is the regional culture, not a tiny minority of people lead by a handfull of whack jobs. If it was a small group of extemists this would have been over with long before now.
While popular with a lot of people, Obama pulling out of the region would be a very bad move, and I think there are a lot of people concerned that this is what he will do.
It's important to note that beyond all cultural conflict and war related reasons that right now "The War On Terror" is really one of the only things holding the US together right now. Our economy is in rough shape. If we bring the troops back to the US right now, all of those troops are entitled to take their old jobs back at their old rates of pay. Unfortunatly we're having problems employing the people here in the US right now. What's more a lot of the jobs held by those soldiers probably don't exist anymore, not to mention the cost in benefits all the soldiers coming out of the service are going to hit the system with.
This is of course to say nothing of the cost of a troop muster and all the threats the US is facing right now, putting all of the troops back into civilian life, only to yank them back out in a couple of years probably isn't the wisest course as well.
The point here being is that while people might make excuses for it, and hate the realities of the situation, pulling the troops back is pretty much going to lead to a massive unemployment surge as people are either booted to make room for returning soldiers, or soldiers are put back into a society with no place for them. Probably what we'll see is an excuse being made to lay a lot of people off for the troops, followed by a layoff of the troops down the road as a lot of companies use this as an excuse to "optimize". The fact that nearly every state is running a deficit doesn't help matters much either.
It's not a matter of right and wrong, it's a situation where ending the war isn't actually going to benefit many people, either the troops or the people currently here in the US. Even if you start making arguements about moral responsibility, collapsing the system trying to meet it means nobody gets what they should be getting anyway.
Getting Bin Ladin really is going to be a major test for Obama, because I imagine he's going to have to wind up going against a lot of his supporters. Within the Bin Ladin name to put on the threat, he's got less steam to justify to all the liberals and peace at any price supporters why he's not keeping his empty campaign promise to end the war and pull our troops out.
Simply put the war doesn't exist in a vaccum at the moment, and isn't something that can be viewed in of itself. Irregardless of who you blame for the current situation, the point remains that I very much doubt we'll see any radical changes.
I expect the only way we're going to be bringing out troops home en-masse is going to be if we manage to fix the economy to the point of being able to support their return.
While "evil and heartless", especially when you consider how pro-military I am, ask yourself if you really want to deal with a bunch of angry, traumatized, well trained soldiers that are probably going to be living on the streets literallty in a lot of cases.
To a certain degree, families of military personnel are a bit more prepared to hear that they've lost a loved one to an attack. It's no less awful, but there's a certain amount of increased risk based on the line of work.DRSH1989 said:
I'm talking more about the families of the thousands of civilian victims, for whom there is no expectation of any sort of fighting or risk in day-to-day work. Think about what suddenly having your workplace destroyed around you by terrorist attack would do to your perception of the world? And maybe, just maybe, seeing the bastard brought down might help ease a bit of that violent shattering of your world view.
And still, I'll direct you to the far more needless and undue celebration surrounding sports victories. People who aren't even on the team are lighting things on fire or breaking stuff because "they" won. This isn't even as boisterous as that.
I wish video game awards could be handed out in real life, because that man would have prestiged like 8 times in a row.Necrotech said:
Well, actually I do, but the reason they ignore those laws sometimes is because they were made "by the people" which can be seen as not perfect (because nothing human invented or made is perfect) & so it can be interpreted in so many ways & forms by different people today... this is why we have lawyers after all... to "interpret" the law... but I won't go farther into this, because it's mostly off topic & basically my opinion on the matter.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:It's pretty messed up.DRSH1989 said:LOL, I didn't expect such a remark... when I said "I find the US to be a pretty great country", I'm referring to the average joe... you know the little people who just want to live their lives and be happy... not ur leaders who suck as much as every other country's leaders & get people killed for their own agendas & fetishes...
Still, your comment made me smile& think... "yep, there's hope".
Ever find it funny that for all they quote the constitution & the founding fathers they ignore 99% of what they said and stood for?
I wouldn't say that. It depends on the people we're talking about. From my perspective, I know people who've been to the US & enjoyed greatly being there, I also know people who now have US citizenship & have established a home there for the rest of their lives, I also know people who dream of moving in states like NY or Cali or Florida, or Oregon, but I also know people who say things like "the US is full of fat retard people who believe everythin' they see on TV" or "all Americans know is how to steal oil from other countries". I'm not saying I'm proud of these statements, but people who say these things firmly believe in them. I for one can say that the US has as many flaws as any other country does, the only notable difference is that your country has a military force with a budget of billions of dollars per year. I even have link for this:RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
Now that's some serious moola!
& if I were to make a judgement based on these numbers, most people probably envy the US for spending so many resources on war... people can be idiots you know... anyway, I'll stop here. I'm way off topic now .Cheers.
Here in Britain we have had attacks on civilians, admittedly not on as big a scale as America had but still..., and we don't have people celebrating in the streets. I'm not saying some people will be overjoyed that he is dead, I just feel for a lot of the families of victims it isn't really closure, it would just reopen the old wounds. And in his own admission osama didn't have anything to do with 9/11... I can't remember where I read that but it's somewhere, but if he did actually do it he would say that he did, like he has with several other attacks.Dastardly said:
He can't be burred at sea, Abbotabad(where he was killed) is 2 or 1.5 hours from sea by commercial flight, I live in Karachi and have been to Islamabad, Lahore and even Abbotabad(when I was 4) so I know. It is just uneconomical to put him in a helicopter/plane and fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar just to bury him and to do it before photograhic evidence is just stupid.AnkaraTheFallen said:
It may be a plan to blame and attack Pakistan or to get Obama reelected or to pull out of Afghanistan without looking like complete idiots who couldn't kill one guy in a cave.
It was the american team that killed him that buried him at sea, they took him by helicopter... personally I feel it's a bit odd that they buried him before any evidence that it was actually him... but they claim it was to respect his religious beliefs and bury the body before 24 hours after death.Arif_Sohaib said:
I am sorry for the late reply. But as I already mentioned in another post, it is uneconomical to fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar, you don't flay trash for 1.5 to 2 hours to throw it away.You can have the same effect by burying him in an unmarked graveyard in an unmarked grave.Or bury him the same way they buried Saddam Hussain(I don't know how they buried him).And if Saddam Hussain's pictures could surface the same day, why not his?Fire Daemon said:
I know you will call me a conspiracy theorist, but I smell something fishy.
You might want to do things that way, but the law shouldn't. It can't run on the whims or desires of people- everybody, no matter their crimes, deserves fair trial.jakefongloo said:
I can't help but bring in what Rich Hall says in one of his sketches "Bin Laden's like a brand of Terrorism."joecool5000 said:
But if it is him, which there is a bit doubt, it'll probably:
a) Start something of anger.
or
b) Do absolutely nothing.
