So do you believe in ghosts? Why?

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kouriichi

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Ranorak said:
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Isnt that all i said it was in the beginning? xD
That it WASNT 100%? Yet you and several other people hound me on every detail that isnt perfect?

I said my qualifications were just those of an advanced high school student, and that this was ONLY my belief.
Yet everyone under the golden sun decides, "lets pick on him because we dont think hes right".

:) lets get to your side of the argument now. What are your qualifications to speak on spacetime, and the effects electromagnetics impose on it?
Whats the reason ghosts CANT exist? How can you prove that every single witness to every paranormal event in history was just fool'd by theyre mind.

xD While my idea is not perfect, i never claimed it was. I literally said, "This is my belief, and its the most logical, scientific answer i could come up with."
Can you do better?
my qualifications are Biochemical, microbiology and genetics.
AKA, a firm understanding of the scientific theory.
Electromagnetic fields are the result of a current moving passed a stationary charge. This field is not made up by particles, it's just particles react to the field.

By removing the field's source, the particles go back to their original formations, thus the field is lost.
That is why the effects of a field cannot exists without a source.
Because it's not a mass on it's own, but rather the effect it has on normal particles, it cannot travel through space time, because the source is gone.

And the reason why ghosts can't exist.
Because conscience is a product of the brain.
We are conscience because our brain is working the way it does.
Once we die, and our brains stops working, our conscience stops working.

There is no magical, spiritual or whatever, residue that stays behind, because the moment you die, the power source that made the electronic signals in your head work, is gone as well.

Another reason, is that of observation.
In the last 100 years more people have died then there are currently alive.
Even if we were to hold the believes of Creationism, and the earth is only 6000 years old. That would mean that there would be countless and countless of ghosts. millions of millions of people died with regret, sorrow, pain, or whatever.

Yet the number of ghost sightings is ridiculously low.

Even though countless upon countless people have done research into this, it all fails.
And, like I said before.

If ghosts were real, my dead grandpa, who is as curious and scientificly orientated as me, would have haunted me to show me it was real.
xD being a biochemist doesnt give you any knowledge of spacetime though.
You have a firm understanding of the biology.
But in contrast, you try to base everything in my belief as false, because the human aur.... Bioelectricmagnetic fields die out with the human.

But what if they dont just end in spacetime? What if they continue on? What if their sheer presence in the spacetime continuum causes them to extend indefinitely?
As of this moment, we dont know half as much as we would like to about it. ((Scientific community as a whole))
Right now, most of the information about it is made up of theories! We dont even know how many dimensions our universe is actually made up of! xD We know at least 4, but we dont know how many past that! They could be areas where fields and energy resonate.

Its a belief. Based on theories. And as i said, it would have to be a traumatic event that causes the field to change. Yes, there have been many traumatic events in history, but isnt it possible not all would have the proper L-field to create a ripple? Like a radio frequency needed to be heard on a radio. Only the proper frequency come through loud and clear.

This is what science is! xD questioning what we dont know, in hopes that some day we will have an answer. I know im not RIGHT. And im glad. It gives people to strive for something that is.
 

MordinSolus

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I don't think they're real, even though a lot of people tell their own ghost stories, I'll believe it when I see it.
 

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I believe in ghosts - partly because ive heard some pretty interesting stories from "no bullshit type" of people and partly because i am too egomanical to believe that something as great as the human mind can simply "puff and go away"
 

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...yes. Because I've seen them and I've seen them with other people around and they seen it too.

I do push away any "ghost" that can be explained using logic, but some... can be very persistent.
 

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I want to say no, but I do have a bit of an over-active imagination, and I do run from the toilet room in the middle of the night after I've needed to use it. And I do try to avoid and fail looking at mirrors and stuff in the dark, too.

I think I'm just a wuss.
 

Genixma

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Yeah I do believe in ghosts. I've enjoyed various shows that cover haunted sites, none of that Ghost Hunter crap though, and actually enjoy learning about the supposed haunting it's a subject I find interesting. But then again I take interest in the super natural, mythology, folklore, legend, and hauntings.
 

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FamoFunk said:
I want to say no, but I do have a bit of an over-active imagination, and I do run from the toilet room in the middle of the night after I've needed to use it. And I do try to avoid and fail looking at mirrors and stuff in the dark, too.

I think I'm just a wuss.
Sort of the same here. The skeptical part of me wants to say I don't believe in ghosts, but every now and again, a crash will come out of nowhere in my house or I'll swear I'll see something move, and when things like that happen, it's hard to just chalk it up to an "over-active imagination."
 

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No, I don't.. but that doesn't prevent me from checking my closet and underneath my bed.

Seriously though, those damn horror movies have had an impact. I don't like unlit rooms at night anymore since paranormal activities.. :( I just keep imagining things..
 

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The Spartan E1337 said:
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Yes I do. Why? It's very simple.

Can you prove they don't exist?
It is not up to the skeptic to disprove any accusation. The proof of the accusation lies upon the accuser.
Semantics could turn that around on you very quickly, my friend. Who is to say that you are not the one accusing ghosts of not existing, and I am merely skeptical or your opinion? How do we decide which party is the accuser and which is the defender?
But if someone states that there is an invisible ice cream factory on Jupiter, it is up to that person to prove you. People that are the skeptics should not have to waste their time disproving something that is ridiculous. Much like the idea of ghost or demons or what have you, the invisible ice cream factory on Jupiter makes no sense, and it would be pointless for anyone who takes life somewhat seriously to argue with them. No, they cannot disprove it, because they cannot go to Jupiter and search the entire planet for something invisible. It doesn't matter that Jupiter does not have a surface, that it is too hot (Jupiter makes it's own heat), and has no evidence of life.

If we are going to try to flip the argument around like that, it will become an argument that devolves into solipsism.
 

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PurePareidolia said:
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Yeah of course I do. Weirder shit has been scientifically proven. Take a look at quantum physics for 5 seconds ^^
Your weak link is that the weird stuff that's been scientifically proven has actually been scientifically proven. That's why they're considered true and ghosts aren't.
You misunderstand. I'm saying science is currently unable to prove their existence. Much like how they used to be unable to prove quantum physics, which is equally absurd.
 

Aiedail256

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no evidence for the existence of the human soul + Occam's Razor = no belief.

EDIT: here's another point:
The Spartan E1337 said:
Yes I do. Why? It's very simple.

Can you prove they don't exist?
I cannot prove that they don't exist, but neither can you prove that they do. In the absence of proof, what evidence we have suggests that they do not exist, which is another reason I don't believe.
 

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DeadlyYellow said:
I'm more akin to the theory of a psionic imprint over spirits of the deceased.
This... it just makes more~wait a minute, didn't I just quote you a few threads back?

Still, Psionic imprint, but that being said i don't deny the existence of ghosts... I just don't believe in them...

Screw you guys, it makes sense to me!
 

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AdeptaSororitas said:
PurePareidolia said:
AdeptaSororitas said:
Yeah of course I do. Weirder shit has been scientifically proven. Take a look at quantum physics for 5 seconds ^^
Your weak link is that the weird stuff that's been scientifically proven has actually been scientifically proven. That's why they're considered true and ghosts aren't.
You misunderstand. I'm saying science is currently unable to prove their existence. Much like how they used to be unable to prove quantum physics, which is equally absurd.
The two concepts are considered absurd for different, unrelated reasons, you can't seriously suggest that the acceptance of Quantum physics means everything as absurd or less than that can and will be proven. I shouldn't have to explain that the strangeness or counter-intuitiveness of a phenomenon is irrelevant with regards to whether it's true or not.

Besides, it doesn't compare - think of how long it took for Quantum physics to be proved. Now think of how long it's taken for Ghosts not to be proved.
 

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PurePareidolia said:
AdeptaSororitas said:
PurePareidolia said:
AdeptaSororitas said:
Yeah of course I do. Weirder shit has been scientifically proven. Take a look at quantum physics for 5 seconds ^^
Your weak link is that the weird stuff that's been scientifically proven has actually been scientifically proven. That's why they're considered true and ghosts aren't.
You misunderstand. I'm saying science is currently unable to prove their existence. Much like how they used to be unable to prove quantum physics, which is equally absurd.
The two concepts are considered absurd for different, unrelated reasons, you can't seriously suggest that the acceptance of Quantum physics means everything as absurd or less than that can and will be proven. I shouldn't have to explain that the strangeness or counter-intuitiveness of a phenomenon is irrelevant with regards to whether it's true or not.

Besides, it doesn't compare - think of how long it took for Quantum physics to be proved. Now think of how long it's taken for Ghosts not to be proved.
If whats to say the existence of ghosts isn't linked to quantum physics? Now one takes it seriously so it never WILL be proven, at least not any time soon. I mean, scientist believe that antimatter moves backwards through time, that could very well mean the apparitions are simple glimpses into the past before it arrives there. I'm not saying that something "as absurd or less than that can and will be proven", I'm saying that its possible, and likely, that things such as ghosts could, and logically should, exist. Ones that are evil and can move things? Likely not, replaying incidents frozen in time? Highly likely.

I'm not forcing my opinion on you, and yes, until it is decidedly proven to be false it IS an opinion. You however, are. I'm just asking that you see both sides of the issue before jumping the gun, as a logical person should.
 

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Without solid proof it's fiction like gods,ghost,spirits,monster,aliens,evolution none have 100% proof so until they do i won't believe in these fairy tales.
 

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What is a "ghost"? How do you define a "ghost"? A spirit from a deceased corpse? Memories of past events? The remnant of a once living being reborn into something new? If that's the case, then everything around us is a ghost of that what preceded it. I speak in generalizations, surely, but this is not a topic which can be classified specifically.

If you want my opinion, then yes, I believe in ghosts. I have seen little to argue that there is not and mockeries which claim there are, but I spend long amounts of time wondering about this decide that there is "something" in some form that will manifest long after I am gone, which may or may not resemble me.

That, and the fact that a rather morbid spirit persists in following me around, messing with my stuff and setting off my electric toothbrush.

The power of Crest compells thee.
 

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Grospoliner said:
The supernatural is not scientific. If there is no scientific evidence, then it is not real.
I agree that the supernatural is not scientific, but I do not agree that scientific evidence defines reality.

If anything, the supernatural represents reality, and all the wonders and unknowns which come with it. Science takes up the task of understanding it all. The nature of science implies that we answer every question the universe provides in hopes of gaining insight. What we decide, however, is inconsequential. "What is real" is already real, despite what rules or judgements we decide or have yet to understand.

Not that I misunderstood your message. Certainty through cause-and-effect brings stability. It is a very practical attitude, and very comforting.
 

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TheRookie8 said:
Grospoliner said:
The supernatural is not scientific. If there is no scientific evidence, then it is not real.
I agree that the supernatural is not scientific, but I do not agree that scientific evidence defines reality.

If anything, the supernatural represents reality, and all the wonders and unknowns which come with it. Science takes up the task of understanding it all. The nature of science implies that we answer every question the universe provides in hopes of gaining insight. What we decide, however, is inconsequential. "What is real" is already real, despite what rules or judgements we decide or have yet to understand.

Not that I misunderstood your message. Certainty through cause-and-effect brings stability. It is a very practical attitude, and very comforting.
On the contrary, reality is defined solely by the physical phenomena that sciences describe. It is comprised of strict, immutable relationships that are entirely uncompromising. It is our understanding of those relationships that are poor, leading us to mistakenly fill the gaps in our knowledge with fanciful imagination. It is not the nature of science which makes us question, to seek knowledge and understanding, it is human nature and science is the reflection of what we have learned so far. The subjectivity of human nature poses the greatest obstacle to our understanding and it is only though the scientific method that we can possibly hope to understand the phenomena that comprises reality.

All of the emotions we "feel" are defined by physical values. Our brains produce complex chemicals and respond to stimuli for specific purposes. As part of our evolutionary make up, these functions were vital to keep our ancestors alive, to keep them active, and to keep them breeding. With mans conquering of nature most of these functions become redundant and we are left with vast amounts of time to ponder on them. The awe we feel when looking upon some magnificent landscape, work of art, or wondrous thing are no more magical than the electric signals required to type this message out. Of course being so unremarkable does not make it any less impressive, important, or amazing but credit is due where it belongs.

As for stability? I would beg to differ that the universe is anything but stable. The very laws that comprise its mechanics illustrate that it is every bit as chaotic as our everyday lives. As it is there is little comfort it knowing just how lethal and uncaring the universe really is. Even in the relative safety of Earth's atmosphere there are a million things that can kill us outright and it is but luck and skill that keeps us alive.

No, I'm sorry to say there is no comfort in science. Only cold hard truth.