So, gamefly has VtM: Bloodlines on sale - why haven't you played it yet?

DoPo

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Matthew94 said:
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Matthew94 said:
I mean, it sounds like it would have been way better as a book or film.
Hmm, "a book" you say. [http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/index.php?keywords=clan+novel&x=0&y=0&author=white+wolf&artist=&pfrom=&pto=]
Yeah, that's what I said.

I suspected it would have a ton of books but I wasn't going to go looking for them. No doubt it has a tabletop game too?
It's based on one, so yes. The game line was nuked and restarted, though, and is now called Vampire the Requiem. The old books are mostly out of print, but you can find most of them in DriveThroughRPG (if you're rally inclined to, for any reason). The game is actually set in the eve of the apocalypse that rebooted the universe.
 

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Oh, never thought of audio logs. I thought it was simply books saying "X did Y, what a swell guy" and you thinking that was amazing. Fair enough then. It still hasn't enticed me to play it.

From what I have seen fans say.

The gameplay is shit
The graphics are shit
The plot becomes shit

I mean, it sounds like it would have been way better as a book or film. I am open to playing games but I gave the game 2 chances and it failed to endear me. I gave Deus Ex 2 chances and it wowed me. I gave X: BTF 5 hours until it got fun. I can give a game a chance but the game just failed on too many levels for me.
The gameplay is mediocre I would say. It's not terrible, there's nothing particularly horrendous about it save perhaps some imbalances (The starting guns are terrible for example, whereas melee remains consistently useful but boring) but combat is definitely not a strong point either. Fortunately throughout the game there are many combat situations that can be avoided entirely, not always, but many.

Graphics aren't bad. Facial animation is well done and still holds up decently today, that always was one of the source engines strengths. Otherwise it's typical early Source engine stuff. Looks like Half Life 2, Counterstrike Source, and so many others.

And I disagree entirely with plot. As far as story goes there's no sudden Mass Effect 3 implosion or Fahrenheit style spiral into insanity, it remains fairly consistent throughout. I actually quite like some of the late-game plot elements introduced, Chinatown for example was a great hub with some fantastic side-quest and characters! What I think most people complain about when they complain about early in the game vs. later is the increase in combat more than anything, which is understandable. Story itself remains strong however.

There are other strengths as well. The dialogue is well written, characters compelling, plot branching, great sense of atmosphere in places, nice soundtrack, and as you found out the hard way; tons of replayability as the clan chosen at the start of the game can have a major effect on not only gameplay but how characters perceive and treat you as well.

A Nosferatu for example is so damned ugly and unnatural that they can't even be seen in public and are forced to use sewers and stealth to stay hidden, meanwhile those you're forced to interact with often treat you like an animal or a plague victim. By contrast a Toreador is so damned human that the other kindred don't even particularly like you, calling the character a pretty-boy/girl and generally dismissing them as vapid whores.

And Malkavian... well Malkavian are insane. You play an insane guy/girl. It's insane!

So if roleplay is someone's thing, someone who enjoys trying out different character types and interacting with character to see what they might be able to do differently. Then hell you can't find many better examples than Bloodlines.
 

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It's old, it's based on a Beta of the Source engine, the models look largely like shit, the game even controls like shit, and you need freaking fan patches for it to even *slightly* seem decent.

Yet why do I keep going back to this broken mess? Why, must you ask me?

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NEIL FUCKIN' ROSS. THAT'S SMART.

I swear to God, Gary Golden is the best RPG NPC ever made. EVER.

That and, well, the story is genuinely interesting, and the White Wolf canon barely gets any love. It's a nice change from Turians and Krogans, Jedi and Mandalorians or Elves and Orcs.
 

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IamLEAM1983 said:
I swear to God, Gary Golden is the best RPG NPC ever made. EVER.
Don't push it dude, just back off with your LIES. And bow before the true god

 

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ive already got it $10 off steam it really needed the fan patches but it is an awesome fun game and for a price that cheap you can not go wrong with it
 

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A damnable heresy.
How dare you besmirch the "Crusty Dead Guy Meets Cary Grant" concoction of utter EPICOSITY which is Gorgeous Gary Golden?! Your Chunk is a mere security guard, one of the kine who revels in powdered sugar and animal fat!

Triple G is my OG, yo, and I will defend him with all of my lack of objectivity and common sense! DON'T YOU DISS MY UNDEAD MALE WAIFU!

...

Okay, 4 SRS. Chunk was pretty amusing. I loved playing as a female Toreador because of him. All the weird junk food-related turn-ons. Dear God, poor guy must have a cholesterol level of "Infinity".
 

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I have. Gameplay is shit but the story, presentation and setting are great.

It could really benefit from a remake or overhaul of some description. It wouldn't be that complicated; clean up the level design, expand on the combat, make the quests easier to follow, maybe add a couple new features to flesh out the quasi-open world. It's really just a matter of letting the player feel like a vampire while they're going through the more active parts of the game instead of just in conversation.
 

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Because I already bought it Steam. I absolutely love Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines. I am thinking of starting another playthrough tonight.
 

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IamLEAM1983 said:
DoPo said:
A damnable heresy.
How dare you besmirch the "Crusty Dead Guy Meets Cary Grant" concoction of utter EPICOSITY which is Gorgeous Gary Golden?! Your Chunk is a mere security guard, one of the kine who revels in powdered sugar and animal fat!

Triple G is my OG, yo, and I will defend him with all of my lack of objectivity and common sense! DON'T YOU DISS MY UNDEAD MALE WAIFU!

...

Okay, 4 SRS. Chunk was pretty amusing. I loved playing as a female Toreador because of him. All the weird junk food-related turn-ons. Dear God, poor guy must have a cholesterol level of "Infinity".
Chunk is actually a personification of God, who came from the heavens to watch over His flock. Also, damn amusing.

By the way, with so much talk about DE here, I was reminded of something I saw on YouTube


I found it pretty amusing - enough to overlook the bad audio editing. But the best part was 6:04 - "We're 100% black" "Me, too", I laughed out loud. Really. I'm glad there was nobody else here in the house.
 

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sumanoskae said:
I have. Gameplay is shit but the story, presentation and setting are great.

It could really benefit from a remake or overhaul of some description. It wouldn't be that complicated; clean up the level design, expand on the combat, make the quests easier to follow, maybe add a couple new features to flesh out the quasi-open world. It's really just a matter of letting the player feel like a vampire while they're going through the more active parts of the game instead of just in conversation.
Well, in essence, you're saying "Activision shouldn't have ruined it".

But yeah, an overhaul would be nice, although, I doubt that's going to happen. Troika is dead and as far as I know, all the rights are left with Activision, who would be perfectly happy to see them rot. I am pretty sure that one of the major reasons they added Bloodlines on Steam is because it is no actual work for them. It's wesp5 and the others who made that game playable and (even more) worthwhile. Activision only had to say "Yeah, we're putting it on Steam" and receive the profits. Profits I'm not entirely convinced they even deserve :( They haven't shown any actual interest in improving the game, so I am seriously doubting they ever will.
 

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Aaah, the Malkavian Mod. Yeah, I remember installing this bad boy out of curiosity and uninstalling it about three days later because my puny brain could not handle the sheer what-the-fuckery of the whole thing. I tended to alternate between hilarity and "OH MY GOD, WHAT IS HAPPENING?!", more or less.

On the subject of Malkavians, I find it kind of a waste that a lot of people I've roleplayed with more or less end up copying Dev/Null from Redemption, or the Malk PC's partially nonsensical and partially insightful discourse from Bloodlines. It's left such an imprint that a lot of new RPers kind of equate Malkavians to talking like you're kookoo for Cocoa Puffs while inserting elements of exposition in metaphorical form into your jabbering.

Derangements can go in any direction supported by the DSM-IV, folks. Be creative. Schizophrenia, kleptomania, borderline personality, the Christ Complex - fuck, you could even pick one of the more tired clichés in terms of Malk Derangements and have your guy utterly deny that he is a vampire!
 

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DoPo said:
sumanoskae said:
I have. Gameplay is shit but the story, presentation and setting are great.

It could really benefit from a remake or overhaul of some description. It wouldn't be that complicated; clean up the level design, expand on the combat, make the quests easier to follow, maybe add a couple new features to flesh out the quasi-open world. It's really just a matter of letting the player feel like a vampire while they're going through the more active parts of the game instead of just in conversation.
Well, in essence, you're saying "Activision shouldn't have ruined it".

But yeah, an overhaul would be nice, although, I doubt that's going to happen. Troika is dead and as far as I know, all the rights are left with Activision, who would be perfectly happy to see them rot. I am pretty sure that one of the major reasons they added Bloodlines on Steam is because it is no actual work for them. It's wesp5 and the others who made that game playable and (even more) worthwhile. Activision only had to say "Yeah, we're putting it on Steam" and receive the profits. Profits I'm not entirely convinced they even deserve :( They haven't shown any actual interest in improving the game, so I am seriously doubting they ever will.
Ehh, I can dream. If nobody dreamed good games would never even be made. Maybe someday somebody with enough influence will dream the same.
 

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The President of the USA is the Head Vampire! If I kill him I'll return to normal!

...I have the game on original CDs and a Steam copy...I'm going to have to play it again aren't I?
 

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IamLEAM1983 said:
On the subject of Malkavians, I find it kind of a waste that a lot of people I've roleplayed with more or less end up copying Dev/Null from Redemption, or the Malk PC's partially nonsensical and partially insightful discourse from Bloodlines. It's left such an imprint that a lot of new RPers kind of equate Malkavians to talking like you're kookoo for Cocoa Puffs while inserting elements of exposition in metaphorical form into your jabbering.
Oh my god, I loved Dev/Null. But I would want to play him. Yeah, Fish Malks are a...known problem. WW even addressed them jokingly in VtM 20th Anniversary Edition[footnote]By the way, I'd suggest you take a look at this, if you haven't. It is probably the best World of Darkness book ever published - new and old alike. It brings a lot of supplements and other lore into itself, it's like VtM mini-encyclopedia[/footnote] - the Dominate Malkavians are mentioned there - they are the ones who retained Dominate after the Great Prank and generally lean towards more subtle derangements. Their quote is "If you?re expecting me to flip out and start hitting people with fish, well, you?ve got the wrong weirdo. I?m not here to amuse you." - White Wolf mocking the usual Malk players.

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Derangements can go in any direction supported by the DSM-IV, folks. Be creative. Schizophrenia, kleptomania, borderline personality, the Christ Complex - fuck, you could even pick one of the more tired clichés in terms of Malk Derangements and have your guy utterly deny that he is a vampire!
Or even better - don't be creative! Bipolar Disorder is, I think, one of the easiest to portray, because it doesn't require much creativity. It's there, and it's simple. As long as people remember that bipolar doesn't mean "constant mood swings" it would be all right.
 

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Edit: Nvm I was thinking of a completely different character

Well i got the game so I don't count.

But yeh Vtm is one of those games you play for the story and rp, if you can get past the mechanics, it's a gem :')
 

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DoPo said:
Or even better - don't be creative! Bipolar Disorder is, I think, one of the easiest to portray, because it doesn't require much creativity. It's there, and it's simple. As long as people remember that bipolar doesn't mean "constant mood swings" it would be all right.
One of my earlier characters, who was both utterly unoriginal and a complete blast to play, was an NYPD detective embraced as a Malk who'd become convinced he was Sherlock Holmes. Being that we RPed in French, I didn't get to try out for his accent, but I pretty much imagined the guy as Holmes if he were voiced by Joe Pesci at his Brooklyniest. We utterly butchered one of the most beloved characters in literary history - and it was a total blast while it lasted.

I started another campaign in 1998 and decided to play a more world-weary Nosferatu, just to get a break from having to reference Holmes' adventures, which I'd still been in the process of discovering at the time. It was the kind of character that should've warranted more research and preparation, but when you're sixteen and you don't give a shit, it feels like the best idea ever.

I haven't cracked my rulebooks open since the end of high school, which freaking sucks.
 

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I bought it. It told me to go download their client. I did. I try to log in.

The Gamefly service you are trying to reach is currently unresponsive. Please try your request again.

I REALLY hate garbage like this.
 
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The_Lost_King said:
Cause I am too busy playing KotOR 1 and 2. Also as far as old school rpgs i want to check out Bloodline is pretty low on the list
damn good man!

Hear, hear! *raises mug of liquid in the air*




(even more awesome, this gif looks up at your post!)

OT: This game always looked like it had a few interesting things going for it, but i have limited money right now and i'm saving it for some of gog's and steams summer sales, so i'll have to pass for another time :/