So how do you feel about Margaret Thatcher's death
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I didn't like her or her politics. She basically destroyed the North of England where I grew up. I have kept it to myself though with facebook posts etc. If you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything.
I was never around when she was, but given that she bassically screwed over the whole country, I did kinda hate her. When I heard the news though, I was shocked and a little... sad. Sure, she may have been an absolutly horrible homophobic coporation backing ***** who scrwed up my country so hard that it's still feeling the effects today and it's only being ruined more by that shiny-forheaded asshole who wouldn't know economics if they cracked his skull open, but she was still a person, and it's sad to hear anyone go.
First Roger Ebert and now Thatcher. Huh. Well, I really don't give a toss, I haven't any basis to.
I never lived under her time as prime minister, she had no really affect on me, i admit it had quite a large affect on my parents/grand parents, but i have no wish to hate the woman. Overall disagreed with her policies however i am not pleased shes dead.
Exactly, she may be viewed as evil by some people, but I really can't see her bad enough for people to cheer her death. I was disgusted when they did it for Bin Laden, and I'm certainly disappointed now. I don't agree with her policies at all, but I can't agree with celebrating the death of an 87 year old woman, that had been suffering dementia and failing health, from a stroke.The Selkie said:
I'd also like to just point out I live in Hull (Northern Britain in Yorkshire for those who don't know), one of the places possibly considered to have the most grievances against Thatcher. But then, she was before my time.
The people whose politics I value actually thought she was a great Prime Minister. They also agree she destoryed countless jobs, societies, and lives. No-one is denying that. But she also led us in the Falklands and brought down the Iron Curtain.
You just don't see many people defending her here because of the traditional demographics between age and political leaning; hence all the Witch is dead rubbish.
As someone who takes pride in having thier own opinion, but admits he was born some 2 years after her term ended, I will say this:
When all this clears, and history sits down to actually consider what it was she did, I believe she will go down in history as someone who actually ACTED.
She made enemies because she did something; regardless of whether folk see it as good or bad. We need someone in the UK who does something, and not be a spineless twatbadger like, say, almost all polticians right now.
We may not need another Thatcher, but we sure as hell need someone who is willing to make some enemies by acting.
You just don't see many people defending her here because of the traditional demographics between age and political leaning; hence all the Witch is dead rubbish.
As someone who takes pride in having thier own opinion, but admits he was born some 2 years after her term ended, I will say this:
When all this clears, and history sits down to actually consider what it was she did, I believe she will go down in history as someone who actually ACTED.
She made enemies because she did something; regardless of whether folk see it as good or bad. We need someone in the UK who does something, and not be a spineless twatbadger like, say, almost all polticians right now.
We may not need another Thatcher, but we sure as hell need someone who is willing to make some enemies by acting.
How long ago did Thatcher step down from power? Twenty years? I get disagreeing with her policies and actions, but I've seen a lot of cheering for the death of someone whose damage was done and whose course was run two decades ago. It's a little unsettling.scorn the biomage said:
Then again, I'm American and nothing she ever did really affected me much, so maybe I'm allowed to feel that way.
I am ambivalent.scorn the biomage said:
However, my mum rang me up specifically to tell me that Thatcher had died and (I quote) this is a great day.
Of course my mum was working in social housing in North Yorkshire though Thatcher's reign, during which time she dealt with thousands of people who lost their jobs, savings and homes. So for her there's a big personal element.
Im both English and old enough to remember her years in power.
she destroyed the unions , saw to the total destruction of the steel coal , ship building and a lot of damage to farming led to huge poverty and unemployment especially int he north, she broke up and privatized a lot of nationalized industries like rail electric and gas.
there was the Falklands thing, and when people refer to England and Americas special friendship we really are talking about her and Reagun.
oh and she stopped free milk for school kids, and a generation breathed a sigh of relief , no more luke warm afternoon milk brakes ! /shudder
so its easy to see why a lot of people resented her and even hate her. But there uncomfortable truth is she was right on most things. the Unions had far too much power and were running the country down , the industries she destroyed were huge burdens on the nation and were all massively subsidized.
She enabled the modernization of the English economy and set us up for the future. If England had continued on the path it was we would probably now be a second world country.
she destroyed the unions , saw to the total destruction of the steel coal , ship building and a lot of damage to farming led to huge poverty and unemployment especially int he north, she broke up and privatized a lot of nationalized industries like rail electric and gas.
there was the Falklands thing, and when people refer to England and Americas special friendship we really are talking about her and Reagun.
oh and she stopped free milk for school kids, and a generation breathed a sigh of relief , no more luke warm afternoon milk brakes ! /shudder
so its easy to see why a lot of people resented her and even hate her. But there uncomfortable truth is she was right on most things. the Unions had far too much power and were running the country down , the industries she destroyed were huge burdens on the nation and were all massively subsidized.
She enabled the modernization of the English economy and set us up for the future. If England had continued on the path it was we would probably now be a second world country.
I can see why people celebrate her death, they're venting. We've taken a lot of shit because of her policies and her attitude was awful. She was a terrible person. But I wont be celebrating her death. As I said before, in another thread, the only real justice would be if she had changed her ways and tried to put things right. As it is, I just don't give a shit. Mourning is what I do for people I care about and actually like.
I am neither saddened nor elated by her passing. I am sure she will be missed by her family and friends. She had balls, cant take that away from her compared to some of the limp wrists in parliament today she had more gumption than any of them put together.
Apart from boris, he has style.
Apart from boris, he has style.
Thats OK Ill celebrate for you along with the rest of Ireland but I dont think she counts as Human.Ldude893 said:
well she did something, which is something most politicians don't. Problem is she kinda wrecked and everything and didn't build new things on top, yes sometimes you have to do a whole lot damage for things to get better you just shouldn't after the damage part. You also shouldn't be a gleeful, self-righteous ***** about everything. I also hated that fucking movie, for because what was her basic motivation was her desire to be right.
so yeah, ding dong the witch is dead
so yeah, ding dong the witch is dead
If we're talking about the effects Thatcher's policies had, I would like to say that the emphasis that Thatcher put on transforming Britain from a more industrial country to a more financial based country has come bite the UK in the ass with the recession.
I would even posit that we're feeling the negative effects of the policies of Thatcher and Reagan with the current financial and economic crisis.
History might remember her for having been someone who "acted", but I certainly won't applaud her for the way she handled Britain's problems. She caused a lot of suffering after all, so don't dismiss those who suffered under her as "extremists".
That said it's grotesque to have a party about her death. Thatcherism is still alive and kicking after all. Why not celebrate when that's dead?
I would even posit that we're feeling the negative effects of the policies of Thatcher and Reagan with the current financial and economic crisis.
History might remember her for having been someone who "acted", but I certainly won't applaud her for the way she handled Britain's problems. She caused a lot of suffering after all, so don't dismiss those who suffered under her as "extremists".
That said it's grotesque to have a party about her death. Thatcherism is still alive and kicking after all. Why not celebrate when that's dead?
Actually and hard to believe as it might be todays economic situation has been in the post since 1971 and has its roots in the ruinous Vietnam war. Of course they were the starting gun and its been 4+ decades of what is termed "dollar imperialism" that's the road to this. and its going to get worse as the underlying problems get more extreme.Frission said:
Its hard to evaluate the road not traveled, but its my opinion we would been in a worse state now if we hadn't endured Thatchers painful reforms.
Don't got the foggiest who this woman is, actually the reason i came in this thread.
Judging by the reactions though, she wasn't nice.
A well, can't care bout it.
Side question, When did the captcha go from spying on us to trying to force me into traveling with a mastercard?
Judging by the reactions though, she wasn't nice.
A well, can't care bout it.
Side question, When did the captcha go from spying on us to trying to force me into traveling with a mastercard?