So I ask you, Escapists.... What is the Truth?

magnuslion

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A monk was walking down the road, having left his monastery for many years seeking enlightenment. As he walked, he saw a great number of people coming up the road towards him, refugees from a flood. He stopped to watch them and noticed a hunched over old man burdened with a heavy load. Inspired, he ran up to the old man, saying "Sir, Sir!! Please tell me the secret to enlightenment!!"
The Old man put down his burden, straightened up, and smiled triumphantly.
"But sir" the monk asked "what comes after enlightenment?"
The Old man bent down, picked up his heavy burden, and continued trudging along the path.
 

Bipedal Rug

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TheSeventhLoneWolf said:
The truth is written by the winners in history
Captain Price quote ftw~

The truth can only be a fixed event or happening that exists no matter what. The truth isn't just things that have definately happened in the past, but things that will continue for ever. But, as nothing lasts forever other than Space itself as it continually expands, we have no other option than to conclude that 'Truth' is Space. However, 'Space' is non-existant, forcing us to say that the truth doesn't exist either.

Despite Space being non-existant though, we can see it. Surely this defies any definitive truths? We shouldn't be able to see or be aware of what doesn't exist, yet there it is. So we have to say that rather than the truth being a matter of 1 = 1, that the truth is more a case of 1 = 0 = 1. Zero has no value, yet is still a number; similar to the case of Space.

Since it exists whilst being non-existant, we have to assume that nothing is 'fixed' and that the definition of 'Truth' is an infinate value of variable circumstantial probability.

...But that's just my opinion. XD; *shot*
 

ACM_Shadow

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On a more philosophical path, i found a quote ages ago, cant remember where it was from but it reads "Truth is not something that someone tells you, it is what comes from within."
Basically meaning truth is different for every person, and you cant be told what is true, you have to discover what it is for yourself.
 

Captain Picard

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Something is true if it is an incontrovertible fact about the physical reality in which we exist. My fingers applied kinetic energy to the plastic surfaces of my keyboard while I composed this message. That is an undeniable fact of reality. Flawless mathematics is an abstract form of truth.

People who claim that everything (even physical reality and mathematics) is relative and therefore not truth irritate me to the point that I hold them in very low regard. If your existence as a functioning biological organism isn't a fact of reality, then would you object if your "faux" existence were ended right now?
 

dark-amon

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Well, science has several times proven that it is difficult to justify proclamation of knowing anything as an absolute. It would on the other hand be naive to proclaime that we cannot know anything. I think that the truth is objective, outside of us as opposite of subjetive. But I don't think that we can sit down and proclaim that we have obtained that truth.
 

Captain Picard

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Gormourn said:
There is no truth.

And even if there was, it would be as meaningless.

Of course, some things are slightly more objective - like the laws of physics. But so what? You can never absolutely deny that they can potentially be in your head, along with everything else you think exists.
So would you object to your "percieved" existence ending right now? It wouldn't make any difference to anything anywhere else since nothing is "real" in the sense that it's a fact of reality. Give me one good reason as to why you can legitimately object to the cessation of your biological functions which allow your "subjective" perception of a physical reality to occur.
 

Captain Picard

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Gormourn said:
Captain Picard said:
Gormourn said:
There is no truth.

And even if there was, it would be as meaningless.

Of course, some things are slightly more objective - like the laws of physics. But so what? You can never absolutely deny that they can potentially be in your head, along with everything else you think exists.
So would you object to your "percieved" existence ending right now? It wouldn't make any difference to anything anywhere else since nothing is "real" in the sense that it's a fact of reality. Give me one good reason as to why you can legitimately object to the cessation of your biological functions which allow your "subjective" perception of a physical reality to occur.
I do not object it, at all. Which doesn't mean I comply. If these ideas apply to me, they sure as hell apply to you.

Fear of unknown and lack of any idiotic religious belief in a soul or what not might be the reason, I'd rather stick around in my fantasy world then not exist at all.
Life must be hollow when the ground under your feet isn't a fact of reality, and you've not the ability to make any meaningful change to anything, since nothing is "real".
 

Swadodragon

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my personal theory is that if someone believes something it must be true to them for humans are they only things that create truth for truly we are the only animals that can lie. technically someone who believes that 1+1=2 is correct but the person who thinks it is 3 is wrong but still being truthful when asked what 1+1 as only a human can decide what is the truth and what is the lie. therefore truth is objective and truly only exists in the mind.
P.s sorry for any spelling errors iam so very dyslexic truly :D
 

Captain Picard

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Gormourn said:
Captain Picard said:
Life must be hollow when the ground under your feet isn't a fact of reality, and you've not the ability to make any meaningful change to anything, since nothing is "real".
Well, I'm happy to let you know - it isn't.
What isn't?

If reality isn't a fact, then why not play RPGs all day? They're just as real as the rest of your life, if this is what you believe.