So, I finally uninstalled LoL from my computer.

[NightmareExpress]

When you give power to flawed human hands, accidents happen.
Same with the actual law system. Unfortunately, we have not yet built the perfect AI to deal with misdemeanors without error and because of such, this will continue on for the near future. Also, democracy is a joke when human emotions are put into the equation.

Anyways...MOBAS.
I think the gameplay is "okay" at best and the people that play them "tolerable" at best (lest they be good friends).
Otherwise, it's surreal how many horror stories you can hear attributed to them these days and a few aspects of said "nightmare instances" having a grain of truth to them.

 

[Kotaro]

The community is the entire reason that I refuse to touch MOBAs in any form.

 

[baconsarnie]

I only get flamers in like 5% of my games, probably less. It was actually worse when i did play games with a group because one person was a complete dickhead, then he decided that i 'wasn't good enough' to play with him, what a joke.
When i do get flamers i find the best response is "dude can you just shut up, get off (player)'s back, raging won't help them play better." never even had a warning, got teamwork ribbon and santa baron icon for being super positive.

 

[Ironman126]

What incentive? Unless it is a MMO or a Valve game you don't have any. If I go onto CoD 4 and I act like a racist biggot and hack on a server the worst that happens is I get banned and move on to another server. Mobas don't have a higher incidence of dickery than anything else just the people seem more extreme as I've never been told before that I should go get cancer for "taking" a carry's kill as the other carry.

You missed the point. I said little of MOBAs, however, I was stating that F2P games have a higher dickhead count than ones you actually pay for. MOBAs have a more extreme variant of dickhead, absolutely. Free-to-Play MOBAs have a higher dickhead ratio AND they are more dickish. Therefore, LoL has loads of massive dickheads compared to, say, Call of Duty, which has a fairly normal amount of averagely dickish players. Free-to_play games are easy to access, thus they draw a large crowd of assholes, possibly not more than any regular, paid for game. MOBAs, like LoL, inadvertently encourage players to be utter cunts towards both the other team and, especially, their own team.

While I agree that there is little incentive for players to care about their behavior in games like CoD, they generally don't have an incentive to be assholes to their own team. It's a rare day that I hear my own team shout at me in Battlefield or Call of Duty. If I played LoL, I can guarantee that I would be verbally attacked no less than 50% of the time, regardless of how well I preform.

In conclusion, Free-to-Play games breed high number of players, often times dickheads, and MOBAs breed a special kind of dickhead that most other games have never really seen.

 

[VladG]

Good. Considering how you blame your teammates for your poor performance all I can say is that we're all better off.

I won't mention the irony.


I think the whole "worst community evaar" thing is a bit blown out of proportion. Yes, you can get some incredible assholes in that game but... It's the internet, where don't you get them?

It's the usual vocal minority thing: You always hear about the dozens of assholes, but you don't hear about the thousands of decent players.

At the level I play, most games (I'd say 80-90%) are very enjoyable. There are occasionally games that get ruined by some asshat, but those are certainly in the minority.

As for the Tribunal being broken... That's just crap. It's just toxic players venting their frustration without understanding how the system works. Again, a vocal minority.

So far, in some 2 years of being part of the LoL "community" I've yet to see someone banned for no reason by the Tribunal. Every. Single. Time. the person claiming he was banned for no reason was, in some way, ruining the game for others in a deliberate manner. And that's exactly what the Tribunal is supposed to stop.

 

[blazearmoru]

Fidchell Attano : Why did you get a warning? WTF? :|

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

What incentive? Unless it is a MMO or a Valve game you don't have any. If I go onto CoD 4 and I act like a racist biggot and hack on a server the worst that happens is I get banned and move on to another server. Mobas don't have a higher incidence of dickery than anything else just the people seem more extreme as I've never been told before that I should go get cancer for "taking" a carry's kill as the other carry.

You missed the point. I said little of MOBAs, however, I was stating that F2P games have a higher dickhead count than ones you actually pay for. MOBAs have a more extreme variant of dickhead, absolutely. Free-to-Play MOBAs have a higher dickhead ratio AND they are more dickish. Therefore, LoL has loads of massive dickheads compared to, say, Call of Duty, which has a fairly normal amount of averagely dickish players. Free-to_play games are easy to access, thus they draw a large crowd of assholes, possibly not more than any regular, paid for game. MOBAs, like LoL, inadvertently encourage players to be utter cunts towards both the other team and, especially, their own team.

While I agree that there is little incentive for players to care about their behavior in games like CoD, they generally don't have an incentive to be assholes to their own team. It's a rare day that I hear my own team shout at me in Battlefield or Call of Duty. If I played LoL, I can guarantee that I would be verbally attacked no less than 50% of the time, regardless of how well I preform.

In conclusion, Free-to-Play games breed high number of players, often times dickheads, and MOBAs breed a special kind of dickhead that most other games have never really seen.

Ok well then I haven't missed the point as there are not more dick heads in free to play games. There are just more dick heads in what are generally popular system. From what I've seen which isn't a great sample size XBL is just as much a cesspool as any FTP game and that is sub based so I just don't see the point that Free means greater dickheads I just see more people means greater dickheads. I have had plenty of CoD games with dickheads well able to rival those in any Moba or FTP game.

 

[Rastien]

Moba games are like a drug.

If you're stomping and your team is winning your on top of the world (more so if your carrying) you feel like a god among men crushing lesser insects under your mighty heel. The feeling of a hard earned win is incredible easily considered a 'high'

However.

If you're having a bad game you can be sure that at least 1 if not 3 other people will happy call you everything under the sun. You know your playing badly the last thing you need is these people telling you how bad you're playing as you tilt playing worse getting more abuse it's a downward spiral, like bad a trip.

You get to the point with Moba games where you take a risk every time you join a game, will you experience the dizzying highs of destroying an opponent? or get crazy pissed and fucked off with the game due to your team mates being massive cunts and wonder why you bothered.

Sometimes I decide the risk of possible rage and shittyness doesn't warrant the chance to experience the amazing rush and so i don't play for awhile.


TLDR: Mobo games are comparable to the Class A's of the drug world

 

[Scrubiii]

So did Penny Arcade, so did I, so did a bunch of people who realise that the MOBA community is completely irredeemable.

It seems to me that what the author of that cartoon is really saying is "I've just been picking a champion I like and playing them in any position, against any opponent, without any semblance of an actual strategy. For some reason, everyone on my team got really pissed with me about this, so I uninstalled the game"

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the LoL community, because there certainly is. The irony though, is that a large part of the problem is people like this, who refuse to adhere to any strategy beyond "I like this champion, and feel like playing in this lane today", because it's a team game, and people who refuse to co-operate with the rest of the team just take everyone's enjoyment of the game away.

 

[Rastien]

So did Penny Arcade, so did I, so did a bunch of people who realise that the MOBA community is completely irredeemable.

It seems to me that what the author of that cartoon is really saying is "I've just been picking a champion I like and playing them in any position, against any opponent, without any semblance of an actual strategy. For some reason, everyone on my team got really pissed with me about this, so I uninstalled the game"

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the LoL community, because there certainly is. The irony though, is that a large part of the problem is people like this, who refuse to adhere to any strategy beyond "I like this champion, and feel like playing in this lane today", because it's a team game, and people who refuse to co-operate with the rest of the team just take everyone's enjoyment of the game away.

What cross's my mind is they are playing for enjoyment they may not be in ranked so why should they have to adhere to the meta? They have as much right to enjoy the game their way as you do yours, whilst in all honesty i agree with your stand point on it's a team game unless your queuing as a team i don't think it's fair to force people into roles they may not be comfortable with.

 

[Izzy1320]

That's funny, I'm on the verge of downloading LoL because a co-worker keeps bugging me about it. I'm really not that interested in it, but I can at least tell her that I gave it a try.

So the community still isn't very newb-friendly? Good to know. I've been reading up on a few tutorials and have watched TotalBiscuit's "WTF is..." on the game so I'll have at least some idea of what I'm doing.

On the contrary to this, when I first started playing, the community was very 'newb-friendly' At the beginning, when all players are on the same level, unless they're playing on a second account, skill and ego don't often present themselves as issues. As you continue playing, however, and your level slowly climbs, you will meet more and more players completely assured of their own self-worth on the team. It is these people, the ones that rage and blame the rest of the team for their failures, that sadly harm the community as a whole. As with anything, though, I have found it important to remember that LoL is, in the end, just a game. And with any game, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If you won, congratulations. If you lost, pick yourself up and try again later. Don't pin the blame on others, no matter how culpable they might be, lest you become part of the problem.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

This is why I play nonranked random ques. So I can relax, give 0 fucks, and have fun. Ladder eats all the twats who GOTTA WIN and I get to enjoy playing Nami Support.

 

[Scrubiii]

So did Penny Arcade, so did I, so did a bunch of people who realise that the MOBA community is completely irredeemable.

It seems to me that what the author of that cartoon is really saying is "I've just been picking a champion I like and playing them in any position, against any opponent, without any semblance of an actual strategy. For some reason, everyone on my team got really pissed with me about this, so I uninstalled the game"

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with the LoL community, because there certainly is. The irony though, is that a large part of the problem is people like this, who refuse to adhere to any strategy beyond "I like this champion, and feel like playing in this lane today", because it's a team game, and people who refuse to co-operate with the rest of the team just take everyone's enjoyment of the game away.

What cross's my mind is they are playing for enjoyment they may not be in ranked so why should they have to adhere to the meta? They have as much right to enjoy the game their way as you do yours, whilst in all honesty i agree with your stand point on it's a team game unless your queuing as a team i don't think it's fair to force people into roles they may not be comfortable with.

I agree with you in principle, but the problem is that you can't play ranked games in LoL until you are level 30 and own 16 champions, so people below level 30 who want to play seriously and strategically are forced together with players like the ones described above who just like to make it up as they go along, and it ends up just being frustrating for everyone. Perhaps the problem is more with the game's matchmaking and ranked play systems than with the players themselves.

 

[Mau95]

Was it something like this?
http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/02/25

 

[Carnagath]

Honestly, compared to 2 years ago, the amount of trolls, flamers and etc are in such a minority i can hardly believe it (particularly due to the tribunal) I've played quite alot of MOBAS and i can honestly say that the LoL community at its current point is by far and away one of the most well behaved ones that I've seen.

That's the thing that bothers me actually. Sure tribunal did it's job getting rid of people who want to spam racist remarks and death threats and such. But now that they are gone guess who tribunal is going after? People who get reported over the pettiest crap I've ever seen. Not to mention the people who participate in tribunal are still very punish heavy to which last I checked we are back to an 80% on average punish rate.

Tribunal is flawed because it gives people power who shouldn't have that type of power.

I have no idea which server you guys are playing on, but I can tell it's definitely not EUNE.

 

[Carnagath]

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Sorry, I disagree. Taking steps towards enforcing a relatively healthy online environment is not a bad thing. If you were calling people "fuckers" and "retarded" left and right, you were rightfully banned. I don't understand how you can possibly consider this "minimal", do you enjoy playing games where people call you names like that all the time? Nobody expects you to get along with everyone, just don't be a douchebag, that's all. If someone is bad, they are bad, you can help them get better or not, you're not obligated to, but verbally abusing them serves no purpose. If they are actively sabotaging your team, there are tools in place to report them for it.

People disagree, most likely throw an insult at each other and just move on. Just like in real life when talking to strangers.

Again, this baffles me. Let me put it this way, if you used language like that on strangers because you disagreed with them, and got away with it, you are either very very lucky or live in a really weird place.

Bottom line, you chose to occupy yourself with a game where you depend on other people to win. If you can't handle the fact that these other people are often a wild card and will not perform as you expect them to, then you should play something different and cut them out of the equation. Heart of the Swarm is coming out in 10 days, maybe try that. You will find that people very rarely abuse each other there, you lose because the opponent played better, or used a strategy that, even if you consider it "cheap", was well practiced, well timed and deadly, and you just did not react to it properly.