So notch is an assh*le......

[Daverson]

Look, this whole thing is ridiculous. It needs to stop now.

There's no bad blood between Mojang and Yogscast right now. The initial accusations were all down to either misunderstandings, stress or just plain tiredness. Both Notch and Simon and Lewis have chosen to bury the hatchet. Hell, the only people arguing about it originally were fans. You stick several million people in a room and tell them "Party X said something bad about party Y, and you get a shit-storm", I refer you to the John Gabriel's greater internet Fuckwad theory [http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/].

Half the accusations against Yogscast came from a post on Reddit, and none of these claims have been verified, and there's been countless people who were at minecon coming forward to say they aren't true.

This argument isn't helping anyone. No one can "win", the only outcome of it will be fracturing the community and stirring up bad blood between fans. No one benefits from that, so let's just let this whole pointless argument end, shall we?

 

[Charli]

Notch jumped the gun and made baseless accusations over the internet, something people do often but he has done so in a position of influence and that is dangerous. He should limit his twitter to impersonal information about his projects.

This is why I dislike social networking sites, you have one slip of judgement, one alcohol infused error. And you could seriously hurt someone or something in your life.


Simon and Lewis of the Yogscast do swear, not as frequently as some I've known but a fair bit, you do need to inform someone that they are doing something you wouldn't like in advance otherwise your accusations of swearing are groundless and based on your own preferences, if they were warned and chose to ignore such warnings THEN you have a platform for discontent.

Like it or not, they also bring publicity of a certain weight for attending things, Anime voice actors, singers and notable fans (Little Kuriboh and Team 4 star notably) Are paid flights, meals, hotel rooms and extra swag they pick up to attend those conventions even across the sodding Atlantic Ocean, and you're calling them divas just because you provided a room? ...Really? This is what they do as a job, time is money and you're taking their time...and money, I would have told you to go shove it, if IGN were so interested they could have sent their own people to it.

Mojang I am aware you are new at this, and with a first convention things are bound to go wrong, but make a list of things you felt failed and deal with internally, and for the love of god, keep people off twitter. If you are prone to impulsive chinese-whispers when angered or intoxicated put your fucking iphone in a lockdown and just go and do something else.




I am not a fan of either one of you, infact I find Jessie Cox and Total Biscuit playing games together far more entertaining to watch, and minecraft fills me with feelings of 'meh' at best.

But seriously, as an objective party, don't. get. fans. involved. in. this. shit.

 

[Dfskelleton]

So Notch said something to those yogscast douchebags? That's freaking awesome. If I were in his position, I wish I would have the balls to do something like that.
Notch, on behalf of... me, thumbs up.

 

[kouriichi]

I have to sign with Notch.

The yogs are a couple of spoiled internet celebs, and they act like it.

They did a Lets Play of Space Marines that was 15 minutes of them complaining about the game, when they were just bad at it. >.>;

Not to mention, if nothing bad HAD been done, why would Notch bring this out, and start lying for no reason? Im more inclined to believe Simon and Lewis were just acting up a bit.

As for paying for travel, food, ect. No one else got that did they? >.>; Simon an Lewis make alot of money off of youtube. Its not like they cant afford it. Wernt their tickets and rooms free? Rooms alone can be pretty expensive in Las Vegas, especially when there's a convention being held, and rooms can be book ahead of time.

I think the yogs were just being prima donna's, feeling that they were entitled to more then they deserve. Alot more of minecrafts success came from X (davidr64yt) then from the yogs.

Now dont get me wrong, ive been a fan of the yogs for a longtime. And in that time, ive come to realize they arnt exactly... Mature. >.>; I think they're famous because of minecraft. Not the other way around.

 

[The Pinray]

Celebrities? You mean, "YouTube Celebrities"?I don't even know what the yogcast is. I don't follow Notch or whatever, either. So from an outsiders point of view this is just the bickering of man-children. They'll all get over it.

Away! *rears back a glowing white high-horse and rides off into the sunset*

 

[Macrobstar]

Turns out notch made it up, yep all of it for no good reason.

and what good reason do you have to make this statement up?

So you didnt read the statement then?

 

[Smooth Operator]

Ah the internets dramas, sally said this, jimmy said that, sally was once a boy... it's like watching professional wrestling.

Looks to me no one has a clue what went down and everyone is overreacting, and guess what none of it matters, there is not a shit to be given.

 

[DRes82]

I'm not surprised. He handled this situation with the same douchebaggery that he handled the Bethesda lawsuit. They tried to settle with him and he refused. Even if the yogscast people were actually dipshits at minecon, why would notch tweet insults about them? Really? Fucking grow up.

I dislike notch very much from what I've heard over the months about him, and for that reason I refuse to play his game. Which is probably a loss for me, but meh...I'm willing to take the hit for principle.

 

[Macrobstar]

I have to sign with Notch.

The yogs are a couple of spoiled internet celebs, and they act like it.

They did a Lets Play of Space Marines that was 15 minutes of them complaining about the game, when they were just bad at it. >.>;

Not to mention, if nothing bad HAD been done, why would Notch bring this out, and start lying for no reason? Im more inclined to believe Simon and Lewis were just acting up a bit.

As for paying for travel, food, ect. No one else got that did they? >.>; Simon an Lewis make alot of money off of youtube. Its not like they cant afford it. Wernt their tickets and rooms free? Rooms alone can be pretty expensive in Las Vegas, especially when there's a convention being held, and rooms can be book ahead of time.

I think the yogs were just being prima donna's, feeling that they were entitled to more then they deserve. Alot more of minecrafts success came from X (davidr64yt) then from the yogs.

Now dont get me wrong, ive been a fan of the yogs for a longtime. And in that time, ive come to realize they arnt exactly... Mature. >.>; I think they're famous because of minecraft. Not the other way around.

Sorry yogscast has way more subscribers than the youtuber you mentioned, 75% came after minecraft, anyway you think its ok for notch to sell the rights of there video without asking or compensation? Or to shame them on twitter for speculation? So that now there website is being DDOS'd and they got verbally assaulted at the airport. To me the fame has gone straight to notchs head, the yogs however seem like reasonable people

 

[HerbertTheHamster]

We spent a huge amount of money on flights, rooms, food and equipment for the 10 people that we brought along to support us

that's 1000$ on minecon tickets alone

Notch is not very subtle about being a greedy bastard, is he?

 

[Macrobstar]

Ah the internets dramas, sally said this, jimmy said that, sally was once a boy... it's like watching professional wrestling.

Looks to me no one has a clue what went down and everyone is overreacting, and guess what none of it matters, there is not a shit to be given.

Yeh who cares about a group of peoples livelihood and business being slandered by an eminent public figure for no good reason?

 

[Musiclly enhanced]

notch shouldnt of posted it over twitter tbh it was really immature.

 

[Macrobstar]

So Notch said something to those yogscast douchebags? That's freaking awesome. If I were in his position, I wish I would have the balls to do something like that.
Notch, on behalf of... me, thumbs up.

He was making false accusations and damaging there business, doesn't matter though as long as people you hate are getting hurt right?

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

Oh god, this story is the Extra Credits-Escapist story all over again. Lack of specific instructions, little money, miscommunication, and the fans overblowing the whole deal.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

I can't believe how thin is the skin on some people. Everyone is so damn eager to side with someone that it gets ridiculous.

Personally, I love the Yogscast. They have provided me with countless hours of entertainment and they really endear themselves to e with their behavior. I also respect Notch, because he made a million-maker out of thin air!

However I do not feel that any of the parties involved have offended me in any way. This is a feud that concerns THEM and only THEM. I, just as all of us, have no say in this matter. It's like seeing two strangers fighting on the street, immediately siding with one or the other and then both sides trying to gather as many followers as they can through their constant ranting! This is why so many issues get turned into internet wars! Focus on your own problems, people, and let the others do the same thing!

 

[TheScottishFella]

Being objective? What's that?

 

[weker]

Turns out notch made it up, yep all of it for no good reason. He sold the rightsof there video without consent and slandered there name. and now notch fanboys are DDOSing their website and losing them subscribers, and notchs response?

"Fair enough"

You've got to be fucking kidding me...... I think a full apology and compensation is in order and notch needs to stop acting like a spoiled celebrity.

Can you share with me the proof that notch made it up please? you seem to be holding back on evidence you found but are not posting, or is there some other reason why the yogcast's statement should be taken as fact over notch's.

Turns out notch made it up, yep all of it for no good reason.

and what good reason do you have to make this statement up?

So you didnt read the statement then?

You didn't understand what he means. You have two statements both contradicting each other, just because their opposed doesn't mean one should be instantly declared false, which is why everyone is opposed to you it seems. I think you have noticed this as you don't seem to want to reply to them at all.

 

[Macrobstar]

I liked the bit where you instantly assume Yogscast was telling the whole unadulterated truth and Notch was lying through his teeth.

Protip: Everyone involved is human. Neither are telling the whole truth, nor are they lying through their teeth. People have an amazing ability to reconstruct scenes in their head in different ways, and fully believe them.

Well considering notch doesn't deny thats what happened....

 

[Macrobstar]

So you went into reading this post assuming that Notch was an asshole.

I mean seriously, your saying that one unvalidated claim from an individual is completely false based on ANOTHER persons unvalidated claim. The only way to do that is to have made up your mind before reading. Its very possible that we will never know for sure, but your opinion has no more validity then the people supporting Notch.

Notch admits thats what happened

 

[Keava]

I have to sign with Notch.

The yogs are a couple of spoiled internet celebs, and they act like it.

They did a Lets Play of Space Marines that was 15 minutes of them complaining about the game, when they were just bad at it. >.>;

Not to mention, if nothing bad HAD been done, why would Notch bring this out, and start lying for no reason? Im more inclined to believe Simon and Lewis were just acting up a bit.

As for paying for travel, food, ect. No one else got that did they? >.>; Simon an Lewis make alot of money off of youtube. Its not like they cant afford it. Wernt their tickets and rooms free? Rooms alone can be pretty expensive in Las Vegas, especially when there's a convention being held, and rooms can be book ahead of time.

I think the yogs were just being prima donna's, feeling that they were entitled to more then they deserve. Alot more of minecrafts success came from X (davidr64yt) then from the yogs.

Now dont get me wrong, ive been a fan of the yogs for a longtime. And in that time, ive come to realize they arnt exactly... Mature. >.>; I think they're famous because of minecraft. Not the other way around.

They started on Cataclysm beta, along with Jesse Cox and in a way Total Biscuit who was the only one with previous experience through WoW Radio and BluePlz! podcast. Sure They gained a lot of popularity thanks to their MineCraft adventures, but as many "big names" on Youtube will tell You - YT is not content driven it's personality driven. You can show a video of paint drying on a wall with a funny commentary and it will have plenty of views if people enjoy Your personality.

Second - They weren't paid for flights, food nor anything else. They got 2 rooms after asking for support, rest of the crew had their rooms paid off Yogs own money. They also did not "whine" about it. They simply stated They could use some help with setting everything up.

The whole issue is about Notch bringing the slander to Twitter before even attempting to sort it out between the two sides, basing his accusations on random Reddit posts... and Reddit, despite having plenty of wonderful people there has whole lot of haters and trolls along for the ride - just like every popular internet community.
When it come sot events like conventions everything is about damage control, and instead that Notch proved to be little too trigger happy really and i can only hope such thing won't happen again. It benefits no one.