Soar Into Super Mario Galaxy 2 on May 23rd
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You ever played a Mario game?Quiet Stranger said:
Just replace "castle" with "planet" in a phrase you should know well.
It'd be nice if they changed things up in this game...but they won't. It's not really a big deal. Mario was never about story in any sense.
*slaps self* silly me I forgot, its Mario, its always the same story (except Mario RPG which they should remake)SomeBritishDude said:
Wait so my princess is in another planet? Also I'm so happy to see Nintendo release this in the summer to say f-u to every developer and their dog who insist on releasing their A material at the very end of the year. Also is it me, or did the dragon boss in this trailer look a heck of a lot like the dragon in Yoshi's story?SomeBritishDude said:
Sweet Jesus, Yoshi is back!
Hey Nintendo here is a blank check write any amount of money on their and I will pay it for this game.
Hey Nintendo here is a blank check write any amount of money on their and I will pay it for this game.
Well in addition to the standard 'save the princess', there was an additional story about Rosalina and how she came to be in her position. It was kinda sad.Quiet Stranger said:
Yer, but he was a bloody pain the arse to get. BRING ME FROOTS!lordlee said:
Love the TTGL reference at the end there. Im also extreamly hyped up about this game... Im just wondering what the home base/ lvl select area is gonna be. u no, since the last one is now flying through space once more.
What you just said is approximately the same thing as saying "Modern Warfare 2? It's like Wolfenstein 3d. You shoot some guys. The end.".wadark said:
Mario is a platformer. That's it's genre. The story? Simplistic and practically non-existant.
But the level design in Galaxy? Nothing remotely like what you beat back in 1997. 3d Platforming has never ever been done as well as Galaxy did it. Mario 64? Amazing, but nothing on the same level. The work they did with gravity and the occasional lack thereof in Galaxy makes it a completely different experience to anything else.
Perhaps it is the same, shooters aren't my favorite genre either. I'm fully aware that games within a genre are gonna be similar. Which is exactly the problem. Every shooter is essentially the same, every RTS is essentially the same, etc. etc.Eremiel said:
So why do we keep playing new games? Because new games have something else. Something that keeps them interesting and attractive. Occasionally its in the form of a slightly varied gameplay minutae. Usually, however, it's in the form of a compelling story.
Mario, for the most part, really hasn't had either in quite some time. SMG had a couple memorable level designs, where the gravity made things interesting, but mostly, those moments were few and far between. For most of the game, I was still running on a flat ground, just one that had been wrapped into a sphere.
And in the end, for me at least, it doesn't matter. As you say, Mario is a platformer, its gameplay is always going to be similar. Therefore it needs to do something to keep itself interesting, and some slightly varied gravity/physics mechanics at a few places throughout the game is not enough for me.
Even if we are to admit that SMG1 was compelling enough in level design to stay interesting, that still leaves SMG2 being the same as SMG1 except now the interesting gravity mechanics are no longer new and interesting. Unless SMG2 can come up with something else interesting enough for me, I won't be excited.
I honestly didn't think it was horrible. Not as good as the main Mario games usually are, but still.Khell_Sennet said:
Anywho, I like Mario Galaxy alot, given I don't play it much - its one of those games I have to be in the mood for, heh. Still, will probably end up getting this.
People getting mad at Mario having no story make me giggle.wadark said:
Definition of Irony:
Demanding gripping story in our platformers, while demanding more interactive gameplay innovations in our RPG's.
Eventually everything will just be melted down until we have some blob of a cross-genre Frankenstein's monster of a game where every element is included but boring as hell.
"Leave Mario alllonnne!"
If you play Mario for the story, get bored during dialogue-heavy RPG cutscenes, whine about grinding in MMO's, and complain about resource management in RTS's...
You're doing it wrong!
If they did change things up with this game then everyone would hate it because it would just be too different for them. People like things that are familiar, safe, and boring as shit. If they actually tried something new and risky then it would just make people scared and nervous. Nintendo especially knows this behaviour that fans have.SomeBritishDude said:
I can't wait. There's not too many games that make me wanna pull out the Wii, but when one finally does come along, I have a GREAT time.
Notice I didn't demand anything from RPGs, that's not the point of this discussion.SavingPrincess said:
I don't demand "gripping" story from a Mario platformer. But its gotta have something. I didn't say I play Mario only for the story, I play it for the cool platforming. But that's the thing, the platforming in Mario has been exactly the same since Mario 64. I played through SMG1 and found that, while there were a couple interesting gravity puzzles there, mostly it was just running around doing the same stuff as in 64 except on a sphere instead of a plane (which made for some awkward controls at some points as well.
But hey, that's perfectly fine. Its what all genres do, that's why their called genres. However, what those other genre games do that Mario does NOT is have at least an attempt at a compelling story. (They don't always succeed, but that's the nature of storytelling) Anyway, the point is, if a game is going parrot what is basically the exact same gameplay for more than a decade, then it needs to have something interesting to keep people, or at least me, interested. I prefer that something to be in the story department.
And while I'm on that subject, why is it just "understood" that Mario has a crappy story. I mean the RPGs (SMRPG, Paper Mario series) had AWESOME stories. So it's not like it's impossible for Mario to have some story. Why can't they do that in the platformers as well?
For the record, Super Mario Galaxy had an amazing story. Yeah, the save-the-princess malarkey was standard fare, but we got an amazing side plot where we learned about the history of Rosalina and the Comet Observatory. It was beautiful, touching, and it really helped the game stand out (to the point where I'm a little upset we haven't seen Rosalina in any of the trailers for Galaxy 2).