Someone please stop Tim Burton.

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Random Argument Man

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cuddly_tomato said:
He should be put on trial for his Planet of the Apes remake. That was almost as offensive as the new Indiana Jones film fridge scene.
I didn't see Planet of the Apes. However, I don't know why people critize the fridge scene. Indiana Jones is an adventure film. The genre that permitted itself to break the laws of physics. There's a ton of moment more stupid than the fridge scene in Indiana Jones only. I can't even begin to count the stupid moments in the entire genre.
 

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So you want to stop a filmmaker, that I think we can all agree has made good films, while Uwe Boll is still loose?!? BULLSHIT!
Yes, but everyone is WELL aware of Herr Boll's atrocities.

But try explaining to a Jack-Skellington-handbag-toting fangirl that you're not a huge fan of Tim Burton (a moot point, considering he neither wrote nor directed A Nightmare Before Christmas), and you'd best be prepared to lose one or more: Eardrums, testicle, nights of sleep.
 

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*sigh*

I wish someone would send me the memo on these things, just a few months ago I remember a thread about everyone discussing which classic stories they'd like to be given the Tim Burton treatment and now here I am with a thread about how 'please for the love of god someone take Burton's licence away'*.
*Note that while I disagree with the opinions of the people who dislike Tim Burton I still respect and acknowledge their rights to them.
Honestly I can kind of understand the annoyance of always seeing Helena Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp in those movies but for me at least that was part of the charm, it's true that these days he's more of a brand but I still think it's at least an aesthetically appealing brand.
Further more he's made some damn good and clever movies in the past, Nightmare Before Christmas, Corpse Bride, Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissorhands, Big Fish, Sweeny Todd, Beetlejuice as well as a few others so if you ask me the man has got talent, granted he hasn't really been displaying it as much recently but I still consider myself a fan.

Though overall I think the problem is Tim Burton is now more used as a brand and less like a director and even though he can get to make some nice artistic visuals and little bits of quirky humour that are still his style overall I get the feeling he's kind of being peddled around to make movies guarenteed to sell rather then ones he'd want to make personally.
I mean I remember reading a quote of him saying that he loved the musical 'Sweeny Todd' and hence that's why I feel the actual movie he made ended up being so good was because he actually wanted to pour effort into it because it was more or less 'his thing'... I.E. take creepy elements and give them a dark sense of humour to them.

As for Wizard of OZ though, honestly I don't think it's one of those stories that needs remaking by anyone, even a director who could create a portal to heaven through a projector would still be considered redundant. The original film is one of the most beloved movies of all time and any remaking would only garnish the effect of it, because there's nothing that can be done that the original didn't already do perfectly by itself.

If you ask me, I reckon Burton should be given some room for creative venting and maybe come back with another stop motion gleeful and gruesome story involving ghosts and zombies and skeletons and such.... because really that's where he excells if you ask me.
 

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cabalistics said:
By the way Tim Burton didn't direct "A Nightmare Before Christmas" it was directed by Henry Selick who never gets mentioned when people talk about it and he proved that he could really direct stop motion when he did Coraline that he wasn't just the director in name only
Yeah, that's a fair point. Selick deserved a lot more credit then he got for Nightmare but at least he got some well deserved praise for Coraline (currently my favourite stop motion film)
 

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WrongSprite said:
Oh screw you...if you really don't like his films, don't watch them. There's no need to dramatically "stop him".

I for one enjoy all of his films I've seen.
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How exactly is someone supposed to know if they like something or not, if they haven't seen it?

The OP went to the movie to see if he would like it, having low expectations.. and didn't like it. Simple as that.
And there's nothing wrong with not liking a movie.

That doesn't mean that you can go around shouting "STOP HIM NOW". He's not a fucking murderer.
 

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Damn, I really want to see a dark adaptation to the wizard of oz.
Oh wait I could just go to the theatre and see Wicked.
IN 3D

Edit: I FUCKING LOVED ALICE IN WONDERLAND. And I saw it in 3D.
My first ever date, I went and saw Big Fish.
I think people just have a hard time identifying films they know they won't like with filmmakers who occaisonally make films they do like.
I love most of these dark visions of escapism (my recent films list includes Avatar - escaping your body to go into another world, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus - a film all about imaginary worlds, Where the wild things are - a little boys fantasy of escape, and alice in wonderland.

You can complain all you like, but have you heard the insane figures that film has made? I think the only thing we can expect is more of the same.
 

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I've said it a lot... Tim Burton is teh suks. He's had a few ok movies, but his movies have stunk across the board. I'm not saying he needs to be completely stopped, but maybe just knocked back to direct to disc movies instead of these large blockbuster movies. Then his fans stay happy and people who don't care for him never have to hear about him in the news again until he dies.
 

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WrongSprite said:
Oh screw you...if you really don't like his films, don't watch them. There's no need to dramatically "stop him".

I for one enjoy all of his films I've seen.
Madness! Don't you realise that we are all forced to sit through every film/book/game we dislike? We have no choice whatsoever in what we spend our money to experience in our free time, we must stop those who make these things as we are powerless to avoid them otherwise!

WrongSprite said:
Neonic-Ink said:
WrongSprite said:
Oh screw you...if you really don't like his films, don't watch them. There's no need to dramatically "stop him".

I for one enjoy all of his films I've seen.
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How exactly is someone supposed to know if they like something or not, if they haven't seen it?

The OP went to the movie to see if he would like it, having low expectations.. and didn't like it. Simple as that.
And there's nothing wrong with not liking a movie.

That doesn't mean that you can go around shouting "STOP HIM NOW". He's not a fucking murderer.
Not to mention this was in the OP:
Colour-Scientist said:
So I went to see 'Alice in Wonderland', directed by Tim Burton, a couple of weeks ago with low expectationsHe just makes everything spirally and "dark". Now I'm quite biased as I haven't really liked one of his films since 'Sleepy Hollow'
I dislike 50 Cent, I disliked his music when it was first released and I dislike it now. If I went out and bought his newest album and hated it, whose fault is that? Mine or his?
 

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I dislike 50 Cent, I disliked his music when it was first released and I dislike it now. If I went out and bought his newest album and hated it, whose fault is that? Mine or his?[/quote]

I was curious about the film as I really like the story of Alice in Wonderland and I wanted to see what the hype was about. I said I had low expectations I didn't say I went with my decision already made. I actually enjoyed some of the earlier Tim Burton films, I just haven't for quite some time.
Ah, but if 50 Cent came along and covered one of your favourite songs or bands would you be pleased?
 

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Hopefully I haven't been ninja'd...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/extra/video/p006w55c

No, it's not the College Humor one. It's something different.
 

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Colour-Scientist said:
So I went to see 'Alice in Wonderland', directed by Tim Burton, a couple of weeks ago with low expectations and it was pretty awful. It did make alot of monies though so now he's being considered for a remake of 'The Wizard of Oz'. He just makes everything spirally and "dark". Now I'm quite biased as I haven't really liked one of his films since 'Sleepy Hollow' but I don't want him to piss all over 'The Wizard of Oz' too.
Do people agree or am I missing something?

everything is better spirally and dark. EVERYTHING. EVER.

so yea, its tim burton, u know ull get a gothic dark comedy why go to it if u dont like the genre?
 

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I don't mind Tim Burton, but I find him very overrated. I enjoyed Nightmare before christmas, Sleepy hollow and Batman, but I am quite sick of him using Jonny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter (you must admit he does use them too a hell of a lot) there are other actors out there you know.
 

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Thought the script for Alice was really weak. Nice visuals and design but agreed his films have become so much style over substance. Big Fish was the last one I really loved.
 

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Sweeney Todd
Corpse Bride
Nightmare Before Christmas
Big Fish
Sleepy Hollow

For these I forgive Tim Burton's God awful remix of Alice in Wonderland. He's made a lot of good movies, he just floundered with Alice is all, happens to the best of us. The only "dark" version of Alice I wanna see is the one by Marylin Manson.
 

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I agree that he shouldn't do a remake of Wizard of Oz (nor should anyone else), but he isn't a bad director. He just needs to realize that though they may make his films more popular, having the movie be a emo-tween wankfest is not a good idea.
 

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His remakes are awful. I love some his older movies though, Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissor Hands especially. I'm not sure if that's to do with the movie per say or just the style though.
 

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Tim Burton is a genius, but only when working on his own ideas. When he tries to adapt the ideas of others, it just doesn't work. It would be like Einstein trying his hand at surgery. Einstein was an unquestioned genius of the highest order, but he wasn't a damn surgeon.