Marble Dragon said:Carlston said:Marble Dragon said:Why I made the note humor bit.Carlston said:This wasn't Alice in wonderland.
[/spoiler]On a side note, I've never played American Mcgee's Alice, although I do intend to someday. And yes, there is a justification in the plot for making Wonderland dark and creepy. I know. But this is the best example I could think of for an Alice character that was almost caricatured in its creepiness. (The above picture scared the hell out of me the first time I saw it. No joke.)
Play it, it's great. Might need to Quake 2-3 cheat code to get anywhere in it. It's insainly hard at times. And the story is just to creepy you want it to go on.
Watch the intro movie. Alice in a Madhouse, and Wonderland follows her mind trapped in itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o-19MnWlUc
Why is a Raven like a writing desk?
Simple...
Poetry has been written...on both.
Someone please stop Tim Burton.
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Are you guys kidding me? have yall read ther book? It's not supposed to be cartoony like Disney originally made it out to be. This is a much more accurate adaptation (although it left a bit out, the whole chapter with the lobster dance thank god) of what Wonderland was supposed to be percieved as. dont read into it too much, yall know the writers were literally high on acid when they wrote Alice right?
however i do agree that 3D is retarted. i think my eyes havn't gotten the latest update, i'm 3d retarted. nothing jumps out at me. it pisses my gf off when i keep asking to trade glasses. The movie would have been just as entertaining 2D
however i do agree that 3D is retarted. i think my eyes havn't gotten the latest update, i'm 3d retarted. nothing jumps out at me. it pisses my gf off when i keep asking to trade glasses. The movie would have been just as entertaining 2D
Tim Burton shouldnt stop making movies, he has made number of good films, sweeney todd was awesome
I think it needs to be pointed out that Tim Burton only formed the original story and produced The Nightmare Before Christmas. It was directed by Henry Selick, who deserves a lot more credit for its look than Burton does.
Alice in Wonderland was alright. It wasn't great. And its NOT Through the Looking Glass. I don't ever remember the Mad Hatter having that large of a part in the book. This was Burton doing his thing, which is let his wife (Helen Bothem Carter) and Johnny Depp run the show. Depp got way too close to his Willy Wonka character for my taste, including that annoying laugh and mildly soft spoken nature.
My problem with Burton is that he seems to have quit trying. I loved his older works: PeeWee's Big Adventure, Mars Attacks!, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman. I don't think he is a bad director so much as he has just stopped carrying and does the same visual thing with a new plot. From a director's standpoint, its boring. He hasn't moved past that point.
Alice in Wonderland was alright. It wasn't great. And its NOT Through the Looking Glass. I don't ever remember the Mad Hatter having that large of a part in the book. This was Burton doing his thing, which is let his wife (Helen Bothem Carter) and Johnny Depp run the show. Depp got way too close to his Willy Wonka character for my taste, including that annoying laugh and mildly soft spoken nature.
My problem with Burton is that he seems to have quit trying. I loved his older works: PeeWee's Big Adventure, Mars Attacks!, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman. I don't think he is a bad director so much as he has just stopped carrying and does the same visual thing with a new plot. From a director's standpoint, its boring. He hasn't moved past that point.
First of all anyone who has directed or been heavily involved with Nightmare before Christmas, Sweeney Todd, Batman, Edward Schissorhands, and oh yeah Ed MOTHERFUCKING Wood, does not need to have their directorial equipment taken away, sure they might direct some bad things now, or at least not as good as their legacy, but... maybe I am just being an optimist here, but maybe their next project will be all worthwhile. As long as their next project isn't Wizard of Oz, that shit doesn't need to be remade.
I personally love Tim Burton's movies. and i also think that if any one director needs to be stopped. its Uwe Boll. and on top of that, also think about how the Indiana Jones franchise is being raped. there are worse things...FAR worse things than what Timmy does.
No it just means people got tired of watching the same style over and over. It's amazing once, cool twice, by the third time you already starting to bore out of it, by the fourth you just want it to go away and on the fifth you just stab your eyes out cause the pain is to much.Tdc2182 said:
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Johnny Depp in Burtonland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/extra/video/p006w55c
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Johnny Depp in Burtonland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/extra/video/p006w55c
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How exactly is someone supposed to know if they like something or not, if they haven't seen it?
The OP went to the movie to see if he would like it, having low expectations.. and didn't like it. Simple as that.
I like most Tim Burton movies, but he's hardly being the Tim Burton we all love and remember.
Back in the days before Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That movie was okay and a little funny, but after that, it just went down hill as he kept making remakes of things that were perfectly fine by themselves.
I remember back when Nightmare Before Christmas came out first, people weren't shitting themselves over it as much as people or getting over excited about his movies now.
Also, remaking Wizard of Oz would be terrible.
He'd just be taking a lovely movie, splashing some "dark and gritty" colors to it, twisting the characters into over-emphasized...things.. and then all the little emo and scene tweens will be all over it.
Back in the days before Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That movie was okay and a little funny, but after that, it just went down hill as he kept making remakes of things that were perfectly fine by themselves.
I remember back when Nightmare Before Christmas came out first, people weren't shitting themselves over it as much as people or getting over excited about his movies now.
Also, remaking Wizard of Oz would be terrible.
He'd just be taking a lovely movie, splashing some "dark and gritty" colors to it, twisting the characters into over-emphasized...things.. and then all the little emo and scene tweens will be all over it.
It's silly to complain about classics being degraded. It's not like we don't have the originals to view or read whenever we wish.
New versions, no matter how horrible, will never "ruin" the original, except for people who see the new version first - for whom it is probably marketed anyway.
New versions, no matter how horrible, will never "ruin" the original, except for people who see the new version first - for whom it is probably marketed anyway.
By the way Tim Burton didn't direct "A Nightmare Before Christmas" it was directed by Henry Selick who never gets mentioned when people talk about it and he proved that he could really direct stop motion when he did Coraline that he wasn't just the director in name only
I think people that don't make films and can't entertain and resort to starting topics on the internet of how famous movie makers need to be stopped, need to be stopped.
Like seriously.
What's your beef?
You don't have any, you're the critic with nothing calling out the boy in the schoolyard that has everything because you are filled with envy.
Human beings arent that mysterious once you remove all the glamor.
Like seriously.
What's your beef?
You don't have any, you're the critic with nothing calling out the boy in the schoolyard that has everything because you are filled with envy.
Human beings arent that mysterious once you remove all the glamor.
So basically he has a better record (if only going by your observations) than any other director I can think of other than Alfred Hitchcock.JaredXE said:
Not bad.
He has a very specific style but he's still a great filmmaker.
Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Nightmare Before Christmas, Big Fish, Sweeney Todd etc. He makes good movies.
Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Nightmare Before Christmas, Big Fish, Sweeney Todd etc. He makes good movies.
No doubt his version of Alive in Wonderland is fucking awful. I mean, how the fuck could anyone that has made good movies before make something so bloody bad? If I had hired it, I would of turned it off before half-way through the film, the characters and everything else that made Alice in Wonderland interesting was butchered so badly, I had to watch the animation again to make it wasn't that shit in the first place. Turns out it wasn't just nostalgia, the animation is just a fun adventure with a special charm to it. /rant
Funny enough, I have mixed feelings about him moving onto Wizard of Oz. I usually say "they could do better next time" because you never really know, but after seeing that abomination I'm very sure it's just to make another quick buck.
Oh and don't bring up The Nightmare Before Christmas, that was directed by Henry Selick.
Funny enough, I have mixed feelings about him moving onto Wizard of Oz. I usually say "they could do better next time" because you never really know, but after seeing that abomination I'm very sure it's just to make another quick buck.
Oh and don't bring up The Nightmare Before Christmas, that was directed by Henry Selick.
I second this emotion. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.161340-The-reason-I-hate-Michael-Bay]versoth said:
M. Knight. Shamanishsimdiln?SimuLord said:
Wholeheartedly agreed, almost. I would say it isn't so much remakes, but when he is working with material that isn't really his to begin with he makes a monumental turtle-fuck of the entire thing which leaves anyone with any artistic taste foaming at the mouth.Random Argument Man said:
He should be put on trial for his Planet of the Apes remake. That was almost as offensive as the new Indiana Jones film fridge scene.