Sony Admits Private PSN Info Has Been Stolen - All Of It

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I'd blame the hackers(who actually stole the information) first, then Sony for being apparently less secure than Apple, since iDevices have been jailbroken for years, but iTunes remains secure, and GeoHotz last for possibly opening a security hole(admittedly, the only evidence that indicates this is that it happened in the months after it was jailbroken, its totally possible that the hackers didn't even use anything GeoHotz released) I really hate that everyone is lumping all of the "it's your device, you should be able to run what you want on it" hackers with the "gonna steal a bunch of credit cards kthxbai" hackers.

Yeah, I love the first batch of hackers, but the black hats suck. I read some stuff on the main PS3 hacking site yesterday, and darn it if I don't want one now just for the homebrew. What is not to love about Windows 95 on a videogame console?

 

[cobaltfram]

All I want to know is how in the hell something this massive was able to happen.

 

[xx19kilosoldier]

I'm pretty sure some where in Sony's EULA there is a clause that states that if your info ever gets stolen and someone steals your identity that you can not sue Sony.

Well, they can put whatever they want in the EULA, but that doesn't mean jack squat if the laws that govern our country ( U.S.) say different, and they do.

So Sony is going to have to man up in the courts to provide relief for any victims due to this breach of their security.

 

[deleted_by_strongbad]

Sony are incompetents.

For not being 100% hack-proof?

For not having some solid encryption on their database, and then separately for the fields. Seriously, with the availability of knowledge available on this it is ridiculous that data of this nature and on a proprietary corporate system isn't highly secure.

 

[Pillypill]

I'm so glad i didn't use my credit card on the PSN.

 

[AetherWolf]

Well thank god I clear the credit card info off of my account after each purchase...

This shit sucks, man.

 

[Marik Bentusi]

So this debate can be summed up to

1. Sony fucked up big time, but that doesn't make it right
2. We still don't know the difference between "hacker" and "cracker"
3. Awww poo!

?

 

[Bakuryukun]

uh no...that wasn't what I was saying at all. Features like Other OS can be used to exploit Sony's network, so Sony can justify taking it down as part of protecting their network,

Yeah.... except no. That's not true in the least. Is there some kind of place you got that wives' tale from, or did it just come from your own brain?

now I'm not saying I necessarily AGREE with features being removed, as a matter of fact I don't at all, but that's how it goes. The more of a networked service gaming becomes the less we will have rights as consumers, it's unfortunate but that's the nature of a service as opposed to a sold product. In the end, If you don't want to play by Sony's rules no ones forcing you to play the game. As for things like PS2 backwards compatibility being removed, that one is pretty obvious, they realized the PS2 was still sellin' like hotcakes.

Ok, so you go on about network services and whatnot, which is also off the mark by the way, but then the whole time the topic is still really about the physical console. Please try to be coherent in the future.

Maybe you should actually read what I was saying instead of separating the text so the conext changes, I didn't say I believed that Other OS could be used to exploit Sony's network, I was saying that was how Sony justified it, and in the very next sentence said I didn't agree with the feature being removed. Also no, your wrong, this isn't just about the physical console, because at the point we are now with near mandatory updates and constant connection to the internet, Sony can and will treat several features on the system as extensions of their online services that is why they've been pulling all the crap they have like removing features on a whim and pulling the stuff they have in court, because they are trying to use the fact that the line between the console and the online service is more blurred than it has ever been, AGAIN don't misunderstand, I am not saying that this is how it should be, and I am not sticking up for Sony, but that IS what is happening and to deny as such will never help the problem.

 

[Longsight]

So this debate can be summed up to

1. Sony fucked up big time, but that doesn't make it right
2. We still don't know the difference between "hacker" and "cracker"
3. Awww poo!

?

Got it in one three.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Well thank god I clear the credit card info off of my account after each purchase...

This shit sucks, man.

Looks like a lot of people, me included, are gonna start doing that now.

I'm tired of worrying about my credit card, this sucks beyond comparison.

 

[KingKamor]

Makes you wonder what kind of person wanted to do this. Was he trying to crack one specific account or all of them just to see if he could? If he has the tech to pull this off, could he really be hurting for cash that badly? Why didn't he just buy a phone book if he wanted addresses? Either way, still not sure why whoever did this even tried. A sudden drop in the bank accounts of the average gaming citizen followed by an overnight billionaire won't exactly go unnoticed. If he's stupid, anyway.

 

[Th37thTrump3t]

Anyone else see this eventually happening to PSN? Come on I couldn't have been the only one!

 

[pokepuke]

Maybe you should actually read what I was saying instead of separating the text so the conext changes, I didn't say I believed that Other OS could be used to exploit Sony's network, I was saying that was how Sony justified it, and in the very next sentence said I didn't agree with the feature being removed. Also no, your wrong, this isn't just about the physical console, because at the point we are now with near mandatory updates and constant connection to the internet, Sony can and will treat several features on the system as extensions of their online services that is why they've been pulling all the crap they have like removing features on a whim and pulling the stuff they have in court, because they are trying to use the fact that the line between the console and the online service is more blurred than it has ever been, AGAIN don't misunderstand, I am not saying that this is how it should be, and I am not sticking up for Sony, but that IS what is happening and to deny as such will never help the problem.

Didn't I say something about being coherent in the future?

uh no...that wasn't what I was saying at all. Features like Other OS can be used to exploit Sony's network, so Sony can justify taking it down as part of protecting their network, now I'm not saying I necessarily AGREE with features being removed, as a matter of fact I don't at all, but that's how it goes. The more of a networked service gaming becomes the less we will have rights as consumers, it's unfortunate but that's the nature of a service as opposed to a sold product. In the end, If you don't want to play by Sony's rules no ones forcing you to play the game. As for things like PS2 backwards compatibility being removed, that one is pretty obvious, they realized the PS2 was still sellin' like hotcakes.

There is only one way to take this, and it's not the way you're currently trying to force it as. Your currently square piece doesn't fit into the circular hole you originally made. Did you even try to read what you wrote?

Should I break it down a bit for you? Here comes the spoon-feed:

uh no...that wasn't what I was saying at all. Features like Other OS can be used to exploit Sony's network, so Sony can justify taking it down as part of protecting their network,

First you say you didn't say whatever from earlier (lol, deja vu), and in the next sentence you give no indication that you are following it up with more stuff you aren't trying to say. Naturally anyone would assume you're speaking for yourself next.

Even in the second part of that second sentence you say "so Sony can [blah whatev]", now indicating that you weren't just quoting Sony in the first part of the sentence. And it still wouldn't make sense if you changed those things because you said it in a way that suggests we're still following your 1st person logic of how you see events playing out.

So what we're left with is: you seem to think OtherOS can indeed do that shit that is actually impossible and illogical, then you reason that the aforementioned shit is a valid justification as a means of security. The whole "I disagree with removing stuff" is completely exclusive to any of it at this point. You already rationalized it for them. If you disagree and then provide possible alternatives, it still doesn't change the terrible interpretations from the previous parts.

 

[GeekFury]

I am soooo happy I got a 360 instead of a PS3 when I had the choice, don't get -this- with Microsoft.

Really? [http://kotaku.com/#!245887/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen]

Seeing as I got my 360 in 2008 a year after that happened. Yes. I am happy.

 

[Mercsenary]

I'd blame the hackers(who actually stole the information) first, then Sony for being apparently less secure than Apple, since iDevices have been jailbroken for years, but iTunes remains secure, and GeoHotz last for possibly opening a security hole(admittedly, the only evidence that indicates this is that it happened in the months after it was jailbroken, its totally possible that the hackers didn't even use anything GeoHotz released) I really hate that everyone is lumping all of the "it's your device, you should be able to run what you want on it" hackers with the "gonna steal a bunch of credit cards kthxbai" hackers.

Love how geohotz gets some fault for this.

Its like having your house broken into and then saying "obviously keymakers have some fault as they make keys to doors."

 

[Iwana Humpalot]

Well, i gues i'll be telling everybody i know that has a PS3 then. I guess they are going to just LOVE this. But yeah, Sony didn't do this on purpose so i think it is too early to start pointing fingers before we get to know how did this happen.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

I am soooo happy I got a 360 instead of a PS3 when I had the choice, don't get -this- with Microsoft.

Really? [http://kotaku.com/#!245887/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen]

Seeing as I got my 360 in 2008 a year after that happened. Yes. I am happy.

My point is though that although you missed out on it personally, it does happen. I wasn't targeting you, just making a point. It can happen to anyone at anytime.

 

[erto101]

Glad i haven't provided any creditcard info to them

 

[chuckman1]

Sure is nice of them to not let me delete my credit card info from their servers now.
Fuck you very much sony.