Sony implements new policy censoring Japanese games for possible fanservice content

[Casual Shinji]

I mean I object to needlessly pushing western ideals on other cultures but no one should really be wanting to fuck kids

And even if they do, can't they just watch anime? Plenty of underage girls flashing their bits over there. And then there's also, you know.. the internet. I don't know, maybe there's some niche appeal to having it in game form.


I kinda wish they'd implement this in anime, just so we'd finally get some content that isn't so desperate to sell figurines and body pillows.

 

[CritialGaming]

Extra Note - I am surprised Critical Gaming is not all over this yet.

Why has thou summoned me?

What stance did you expect me to take on this? You want me to fight for..girl petting or whatever the fuck is in these games they are censoring out? Should I explain that they only look like children but are actually 350 year old extra-plannar demons?

Because I am not gonna do that.

The West is a prudish market, sex and nudity are not okay. Blowing someone's head off with a shotgun is perfectly fine, but don't you dare show a penis! You can render blood and gore in as graphic detail as you like, but vaginas are just toooooooo gross to look at.

Honestly if they just stopped with the lolicon bullshit, I don't really see why they should sensor anything or cut content from the game at all. Hell maybe a better idea would be simply to change the mechanic to something more suitable rather than cut the content completely.

Like instead of petting girls in FE:Fates, what if they moved the system into some other form of content that esstentially does the same thing for the player in terms of in-game bonuses. Maybe you could find items on the battlefield during missions that you can give to your "girls" to increase how loyal they are to you, rather that petting them like animals.

I think the challenge isn't to sensor these games, but instead change the content into something that doesn't NEED to be sensored.

Although I'd be lying if there wasn't an argument to be made that developers should be able to make whatever they want in their games. If a publishing company and a buying public support it to justify making more things like it, then what's the harm?

We have fought tooth and nail that violence in video games doesn't make you a violent person, so why is groping virtual girls different?

 

[Zeraki]

Well the next Persona game is going to be neutered.

That's what worries me the most about this.

Seriously hoping that Persona goes multi-platform.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Well, the same impotent rage said again, at any rate.

Like, would it really extend development all that much to have slight alterations to some character models and have the gals going to ninja college? Seriously, why the bizarre fixation on providing near soft-core child porn? You can still have your game about people having to grow and mature if they could also get a drivers license in Japan. I know this because Miyabi's in the series and she's 21.

The same train of logic for this can also be applied to a plethora of other things in media. Moreover, the problem isn't so much the censorship, but that it is being applied to ALL countries based on only American's ideas.

...do...do other countries fuck kids?

I mean I object to needlessly pushing western ideals on other cultures but no one should really be wanting to fuck kids

The ideal pushed isn't about the impropriety of fucking kids lmao. It's about freedom of the arts. About whether it's ok for companies to decide when grown adults can handle something or when they can't consume it without becoming corrupted by it in some externality-causing fashion.

These games have as much to do with fucking kids as do shooting games have to do with real life murder. Just because a country allows for games where you shoot people to death, that doesn't suddenly mean that the country is somehow pro murder or treats murder as being legal. It just trusts people to know that despite playing games where you murder hordes of people and find it enjoyable you won't go out and shoot people in real life, because you know the difference between fiction and reality.


Ultimately, I don't think anyone actually thinks people will become corrupted by these games, either , they just don't like it that some people find those games enjoyable from a subjective morality standpoint.

My standpoint is succinctly put as "fuck your morality".

It's shouldn't be these peolpe's business to spread popular morality at the cost of artistic expression. Their business is to allow for people to make the best games they can make with as little hindrance as possible.

 

[bluegate]

Well, the same impotent rage said again, at any rate.

Like, would it really extend development all that much to have slight alterations to some character models and have the gals going to ninja college? Seriously, why the bizarre fixation on providing near soft-core child porn? You can still have your game about people having to grow and mature if they could also get a drivers license in Japan. I know this because Miyabi's in the series and she's 21.

The same train of logic for this can also be applied to a plethora of other things in media. Moreover, the problem isn't so much the censorship, but that it is being applied to ALL countries based on only American's ideas.

...do...do other countries fuck kids?

I mean I object to needlessly pushing western ideals on other cultures but no one should really be wanting to fuck kids

The ideal pushed isn't about the impropriety of fucking kids lmao. It's about freedom of the arts. About whether it's ok for companies to decide when grown adults can handle something or when they can't consume it without becoming corrupted by it in some externality-causing fashion.

What? This is about a company not wanting to carry certain types of games on their platform, not about companies deciding when grown adults can handle something.

The game developers are free to go and peddle their smut on other platforms 🤷‍♂️ Heck, most of them already peddle their smut on PC.

Ultimately, I don't think anyone actually thinks people will become corrupted by these games, either , they just don't like it that some people find those games enjoyable from a subjective morality standpoint.

I think it's naive to say that the media we all consume doesn't influence us in some way or another.

like shooting nazis

there are no appropriate times to molest children

youre just fuckin kids dude

you're on your high horse with a ten year old girl on your lap

lustin over children

I'm sorry.

Yeah, but, she's like totally an adult, doesn't matter that she looks, sounds and acts like a child. We be people of calture!snort

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZPMCtXn_S8
Not Safe For Work, by the by.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

It's about freedom of the arts. About whether it's ok for companies to decide when grown adults can handle something or when they can't consume it without becoming corrupted by it in some externality-causing fashion.

As blugate said, this is about Sony not wanting to allow certain games on their proprietary platform, not about developers not being allowed to make those games. Developers are free to make whatever kind of game they like, but Sony or Microsoft or Valve are under no obligation to let the developers sell their game for the PS, Xbox or via Steam.

Or are you saying that Sony should be forced to allow any game onto the Playstation Store, without any kinds of restrictions, because of freedom of the arts? Do you realize just how anti-freedom that suggestion is, in that it is a gross violation of Sony's freedom to conduct their business as they see fit?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

It's about freedom of the arts. About whether it's ok for companies to decide when grown adults can handle something or when they can't consume it without becoming corrupted by it in some externality-causing fashion.

As blugate said, this is about Sony not wanting to allow certain games on their proprietary platform, not about developers not being allowed to make those games. Developers are free to make whatever kind of game they like, but Sony or Microsoft or Valve are under no obligation to let the developers sell their game for the PS, Xbox or via Steam.

Or are you saying that Sony should be forced to allow any game onto the Playstation Store, without any kinds of restrictions, because of freedom of the arts? Do you realize just how anti-freedom that suggestion is, in that it is a gross violation of Sony's freedom to conduct their business as they see fit?

I think you have mixed up some facts here.

Sony has been adding new restrictions to games they already-allowed, these games were fine like half a year ago and had been in development while being deemed acceptable. It has resulted in devs which were already approved by sony now having to hire translators to translate things to english cause sony is running this through the western branch to achieve western standards, despite some of these games being only intended for Japanese release. In an extra-spicy instance you had a game's vita version escape unscathed, whereas the ps4 version was censored significantly, needing to be patched to a less censored version of itself(but still more than the vita version).


As you can see, this is a clusterfuck that is hindering developers and a very recent one at that.


I don't think it's a stretch to say that if a game was acceptable to publish half a year ago it still should be and that by forcing devs to make patches weeks before the release date under the threat of their games not being released at all any more you're strangling artistic expression and such a statement isn't somehow an argument for no standards in console stores.

Well, the same impotent rage said again, at any rate.

Like, would it really extend development all that much to have slight alterations to some character models and have the gals going to ninja college? Seriously, why the bizarre fixation on providing near soft-core child porn? You can still have your game about people having to grow and mature if they could also get a drivers license in Japan. I know this because Miyabi's in the series and she's 21.

The same train of logic for this can also be applied to a plethora of other things in media. Moreover, the problem isn't so much the censorship, but that it is being applied to ALL countries based on only American's ideas.

...do...do other countries fuck kids?

I mean I object to needlessly pushing western ideals on other cultures but no one should really be wanting to fuck kids

The ideal pushed isn't about the impropriety of fucking kids lmao. It's about freedom of the arts. About whether it's ok for companies to decide when grown adults can handle something or when they can't consume it without becoming corrupted by it in some externality-causing fashion.

These games have as much to do with fucking kids as do shooting games have to do with real life murder. Just because a country allows for games where you shoot people to death, that doesn't suddenly mean that the country is somehow pro murder or treats murder as being legal. It just trusts people to know that despite playing games where you murder hordes of people and find it enjoyable you won't go out and shoot people in real life, because you know the difference between fiction and reality.


Ultimately, I don't think anyone actually thinks people will become corrupted by these games, either , they just don't like it that some people find those games enjoyable from a subjective morality standpoint.

My standpoint is succinctly put as "fuck your morality".

It's shouldn't be these peolpe's business to spread popular morality at the cost of artistic expression. Their business is to allow for people to make the best games they can make with as little hindrance as possible.

So...you aren't denying that you're fucking kids? Like not even a little?

I mean honestly I understand why you're comparing it to violence. It is kinda fucked up to say that...shooting a guy is more acceptable than a female nipple. But the difference between shooting a guy and fucking minors is that there's actually some appropriate moments to shoot people

like shooting nazis

there are no appropriate times to molest children

youre just fuckin kids dude

you're on your high horse with a ten year old girl on your lap

lustin over children

I'm sorry.

I don't need to even deny such a ridiculous notion lol, to even bother with such a sensationalist approach is to give it undue weight. Fiction is fiction and reality is reality. Just like how you're not actually experiencing murderous intent over shooting someone in a game so are you not experiencing actual lust over some random anime comedic fanservice or what have you.

Also the high horse thing reminded me of the unicorn of the witcher so that was actually funny for a second so kudos XD.


I'll make it really simple. It's always ok to do anything in fiction cause it's fiction, and that literally means nothing with regards to what is or isn't ok in reality. You have to go into fiction thinking it's fiction and that it has no implications beyond that or you're doing it wrong.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

I don't think it's a stretch to say that if a game was acceptable to publish half a year ago it still should be and that by forcing devs to make patches weeks before the release date under the threat of their games not being released at all any more you're strangling artistic expression and such a statement isn't somehow an argument for no standards in console stores.

Is it bad business practice by Sony to change the requirements after development has commenced? Sure. Is it strangling artistic expression? No. The artist can always take their art somewhere else.

If Sony has decided that they want a shift in how they operate and what kind of games they want to provide on their PS4 platform, that's up to them. If that shafts some of the developers they are working with, that means the developers have the choice of conforming or quitting the partnership. This is, literally, how a market operates. It doesn't make Sony out to be a very great partner, but it has nothing to do with an artists freedom to express themselves. The developers are free to seek out other business partners and if they can't find that... Well, that means their business apparently wasn't very good to begin with, was it?

 

[CaitSeith]

but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to

GTA V torture scene and Spec Ops: The Line say hi!

 

[CaitSeith]

Well the next Persona game is going to be neutered.

That's what worries me the most about this.

Seriously hoping that Persona goes multi-platform.

You have basis or mere fearmongering? Would P3, P4 or P5 be neutered?

 

[CritialGaming]

fiction is fiction and reality is reality, but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to. I want to shoot nazis in wolfenstein. Or I want to race a car, or a I want to fly a plane. I do stuff in games because I want to

and if you're molesting little girls in a game it's because you want to.

So you only play games that only involve things you could legally do IRL? Because surely those are the only kinds of games you'd WANT to play right?

 

[CaitSeith]

fiction is fiction and reality is reality, but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to. I want to shoot nazis in wolfenstein. Or I want to race a car, or a I want to fly a plane. I do stuff in games because I want to

and if you're molesting little girls in a game it's because you want to.

So you only play games that only involve things you could legally do IRL? Because surely those are the only kinds of games you'd WANT to play right?

Since when shooting nazis in real life is legal?

 

[Zeraki]

Well the next Persona game is going to be neutered.

That's what worries me the most about this.

Seriously hoping that Persona goes multi-platform.

You have basis or mere fearmongering? Would P3, P4 or P5 be neutered?

My concern is Persona 6, whenever that might happen. Atlus already had a really cryptic response saying that "they went as far as they could go" with the Catherine remake when asked if this censorship policy would affect the game.

 

[CritialGaming]

fiction is fiction and reality is reality, but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to. I want to shoot nazis in wolfenstein. Or I want to race a car, or a I want to fly a plane. I do stuff in games because I want to

and if you're molesting little girls in a game it's because you want to.

So you only play games that only involve things you could legally do IRL? Because surely those are the only kinds of games you'd WANT to play right?

Since when shooting nazis in real life is legal?

It was during WW2 I guess.

I'm more trying to point out the flaw in the logic. Street Racing isn't legal yet I doubt they have a problem with the Need For Speed games. Fantasy is just fantasy, I'd rather people have a safe outlet for their fantasies rather than trying to shame and oppress them, because that isn't good either.

 

[Casual Shinji]

fiction is fiction and reality is reality, but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to. I want to shoot nazis in wolfenstein. Or I want to race a car, or a I want to fly a plane. I do stuff in games because I want to

and if you're molesting little girls in a game it's because you want to.

I wouldn't go that far (depended on how much someone plays games like that ofcourse). I mean, there's plenty of people who have fantasies of being raped, but I doubt they would want to experience it in real life. Fantasy takes the horrible physical and emotional act and consequences out things like murder and other crimes. There's people who are into guro, a fetish that makes me sick to my stomach, but those people probably don't get sexual gratification out of real life dismembered or disembowelment anymore than you or me.

 

[CritialGaming]

fiction is fiction and reality is reality, but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to. I want to shoot nazis in wolfenstein. Or I want to race a car, or a I want to fly a plane. I do stuff in games because I want to

and if you're molesting little girls in a game it's because you want to.

So you only play games that only involve things you could legally do IRL? Because surely those are the only kinds of games you'd WANT to play right?

Is this it? This is the hill everyone's going to die on? Molesting children? Alright.

Molesting Children? Where? I'm certainly not dying on a hill anywhere near kiddie touching.

What I am trying to point out to you is that fantasy doesn't equal it's real-life equivalent. People have fantasies all the time that they do not act upon, but they do find outlets for those fantasies.

Incestuous stories, comics, and other fantasy outlets.
Furries.
Graphically violent video games and films.
And much much more.

You cannot look at something in a video game and directly say that the person who plays said game is a molester, murderer, rapist, whatever. Because they don't directly correlate.

Also context matters. This whole loli-con thing or whatever the fuck they call it, usually refers to of-age women who appear younger. And while it is kind of a funky thing to get your kicks too, it is not the same as child molesting. Especially considering the factor that the digital character is not only not real, but doesn't represent anyone who might be real.

Even if for the sake of the extreme argument that a person enjoying themselves molesting digital children is suppressing some dark desire to molest real kids, wouldn't you feel better knowing that they are satisfying themselves with harmless pixels and not real people?

Maybe not, maybe you can't separate reality from fiction. I would suggest you never read Stephen King's "It" as to this day the novel features a 11-year-old gangbang. But for some reason that gets a pass and IT is a highly regarded novel. I've never heard of Stephen King being called a sick pedophile either, because people seem to have the ability to separate fiction from reality.

(Guess you can't reply to this now. Think on it then and get back to me later)

 

[CaitSeith]

Well the next Persona game is going to be neutered.

That's what worries me the most about this.

Seriously hoping that Persona goes multi-platform.

You have basis or mere fearmongering? Would P3, P4 or P5 be neutered?

My concern is Persona 6, whenever that might happen. Atlus already had a really cryptic response saying that "they went as far as they could go" with the Catherine remake when asked if this censorship policy would affect the game.

Oh, that reminds me that I need to check the remake.

But really, Catherine and Persona are two very different beasts. In all the Persona games, the sexual content related to teens has been mostly PG and T at worst (the most sexual content in the games is in the personas appearance, their description and the enemies).

Spoiler: I mean... just look at this! (NSFW)

Yep! A penis monster...

 

[CaitSeith]

fiction is fiction and reality is reality, but we aren't doing fictional activities because we don't want to. I want to shoot nazis in wolfenstein. Or I want to race a car, or a I want to fly a plane. I do stuff in games because I want to

and if you're molesting little girls in a game it's because you want to.

So you only play games that only involve things you could legally do IRL? Because surely those are the only kinds of games you'd WANT to play right?

Since when shooting nazis in real life is legal?

It was during WW2 I guess.

I'm more trying to point out the flaw in the logic.

And I was pointing out the flaw of confusing morals with legality. Or has all of this been provoked by a change in the legal system of Japan regarding under-age sexual content?