Sony Patents a Way to Sabotage Used Game Market
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Ok then...
No Wii-U because of the tablet.
No nextbox because of the ever increasing amount of ads on XBL, and the highly likely built in Kinect.
And now probably no PS4 because of this.
Just means I only have to upgrade my PC for next gen. Easy.
No Wii-U because of the tablet.
No nextbox because of the ever increasing amount of ads on XBL, and the highly likely built in Kinect.
And now probably no PS4 because of this.
Just means I only have to upgrade my PC for next gen. Easy.
Well this is interesting. I hope they do implement this in the PS4 personally, because then the thing would fail catastrophically and Sony (and the industry as a whole by proxy) might fucking learn something finally, i.e. you wont do well if you continually try to fuck over and extort money from your customers.
Actually i really don't care any more, I'm most likely going to skip the next gen of consoles in favour of building a good gaming PC instead.
Actually i really don't care any more, I'm most likely going to skip the next gen of consoles in favour of building a good gaming PC instead.
Okay I'll leave it here. I was shocked to find out that a company like Valve had already put into place anti-used game DRM several years ago and was selling it to other companies and publishers, considering the outrage that the concept alone had caused when discussed in relation to consoles (or heck, charging people who bought the game second hand for multiplayer). I would never have dreamed that a company actually banned used games when we were still talking about the inconvenience of paying §10 for old multiplayer. But you're right that at least Steam does add some features. Sony don't really have their option because ingame chat/voice talk comes with the console or is impossible on the console. If they started touting features with their anti-used game stuff then it would just mean they were removing them from normal consumers.Zipa said:
It is just a patent at the moment, they had a patent for demos that degenerate as you play them and that hasn't happened yet. Hopefully it never will. And when boxed games die out it won't matter that Valve was stopping their resale
I have no doubts that this will be implimented in some way in the future, and that nobody will complain when it does. We as a consumer culture love to pretend we don't have nor deserve customer rights.
We champion Steam and complain about how terrible and awful GameStop is, and Steam is the same thing. The user has almost no rights in cloud computing and we wallow in it like pigs in mud, because we don't care. We refuse to walk outside and talk to a human being at a store and so we give them complete control over every way we consume media.
It won't be long before this technology hits your car or your fridge or anything else. It's already happening in smartphones and printers and we can't stop consuming. Your smartphone's battery is predesigned to just stop working after a year to force you to upgrade. It'll come in some convenient package, like "It helps against car theft", but before you know it, your authentication server goes belly up because the company wants you to buy the new 5 year model.
And we'll thank them for it. "Thank god, I can use my car's onboard computer to purchase gas on the go so I can just roll up to an automated station, fill up and leave".
The idea that consumers have rights, period, is in our rearview mirrors.
We champion Steam and complain about how terrible and awful GameStop is, and Steam is the same thing. The user has almost no rights in cloud computing and we wallow in it like pigs in mud, because we don't care. We refuse to walk outside and talk to a human being at a store and so we give them complete control over every way we consume media.
It won't be long before this technology hits your car or your fridge or anything else. It's already happening in smartphones and printers and we can't stop consuming. Your smartphone's battery is predesigned to just stop working after a year to force you to upgrade. It'll come in some convenient package, like "It helps against car theft", but before you know it, your authentication server goes belly up because the company wants you to buy the new 5 year model.
And we'll thank them for it. "Thank god, I can use my car's onboard computer to purchase gas on the go so I can just roll up to an automated station, fill up and leave".
The idea that consumers have rights, period, is in our rearview mirrors.
Of course, books and films don't cost £40+ at a time new, and that's at the lower budget end of physical releases.Zeldias said:
Okay, alright, if publishers, film/dvd producers and video game manufacturers don't want people reselling or trading in their old books, movies or games, then they need to provide us with an alternative to letting them pile up until we wind up being featured on "Hoarders". They need to create manufacturer buyback programs or at the very least a manufacturer-run recycling program to deal with the piles of old books, dvds, game discs, game cartridges and obsolete consoles that would immediately become worthless outside of sentimental value because you're not supposed to be reselling them. If they don't, it's gonna create either a storage problem for their customers who have to find someplace to shove all their old crap they don't play, watch or read anymore or a waste problem due to the tons of paper, plastic, discs and electronics getting dumped into landfills.Zeldias said:
Quaxar said:
I was actually thinking the same thing. Now people are gonna ***** about something Sony WON'T do because they'd obviously lose all their sale to x box.
"Hur durr, these companies is so stupid to do this and I'm so much smarter than them"
I almost want to see Sony do it. I want to think it would generate enough public outrage that it would either ruin them outright, or at least hurt them enough to realize just how much they have been pissing on with their customer base over the last 3-5 years.
However... it will happen, and the result is, Nothing.
Apathetic gamers will gladly reward Sony for undercutting first sale doctrine with cash hand over fist knowing full well that it will just encourage Sony to do something even more wrongly insane, and begging for even more rights to be subverted and less consumer protection for themselves.
I may not have lost all my faith in gaming yet, but I think I am just about tapped out on having faith in gamers.
However... it will happen, and the result is, Nothing.
Apathetic gamers will gladly reward Sony for undercutting first sale doctrine with cash hand over fist knowing full well that it will just encourage Sony to do something even more wrongly insane, and begging for even more rights to be subverted and less consumer protection for themselves.
I may not have lost all my faith in gaming yet, but I think I am just about tapped out on having faith in gamers.
Another reason to add on my list of ways sony tries to screw consumers. I do like both the ps1, 2 and 3 but Sony themselves don't give a damn about fans/consumers etc.
I'm also saving up for a new computer for gaming, not looking for some beast of a machine, just one good enough to play games fluently on decent setting for the next few years until I can afford a much better one. I currently got £140 and I also know a few other people who are also saving up or recently got one.Vilealbaniandwarf said:
dear sony, just because there is a used copy doesn't mean im going to buy it. infact i usually will splurge and pay that extra fiver to know that my game will be scratch free, and still have all the codes and manual etc. the only person your going to hurt by sabotaging used games is yourself, having cheaper alternatives will make it seem more accessible and appealing to people with less money.
if this is integrated into sonys next console, the wiiu will probz be my next console of choice. (i doubt i will want a next gen xbox either because it will probably have their stupid camera built in, and they'll probably continue to charge for xbox live as well since everyone seems so thrilled to be paying for services that they need to pay a subscription to use on their console that they payed for, over their internet that they pay for while microsoft SELLS ADS ON YOUR DASHBOARD.
i mean holy crap, iv'e heard of double dipping, but xbox live is such a scam its rediculous
if this is integrated into sonys next console, the wiiu will probz be my next console of choice. (i doubt i will want a next gen xbox either because it will probably have their stupid camera built in, and they'll probably continue to charge for xbox live as well since everyone seems so thrilled to be paying for services that they need to pay a subscription to use on their console that they payed for, over their internet that they pay for while microsoft SELLS ADS ON YOUR DASHBOARD.
i mean holy crap, iv'e heard of double dipping, but xbox live is such a scam its rediculous
I signed back into my Escapist account for this (haven't felt the need to in at least a year).
While I haven't read all 5 pages of comments, none of them seem to say the benefit of this product.
Yes, it can be used to eliminate the used games market. But you know what it can also do? It can be used to counter the USB hacking system that plagued the PS3 by embedding a serial key into each game and linking it to systems. If working properly (huge if, but they have time to run through the bugs) it would only prevent the use of the same game on multiple systems at the same time. Although, there is the complicated issue of having a friend bring their game to your house to play with you, but that would be a timeline issue on their software (maybe a "force eject" for the CD key could do that?).
That is probably where this is going, not destroying used games.
While I haven't read all 5 pages of comments, none of them seem to say the benefit of this product.
Yes, it can be used to eliminate the used games market. But you know what it can also do? It can be used to counter the USB hacking system that plagued the PS3 by embedding a serial key into each game and linking it to systems. If working properly (huge if, but they have time to run through the bugs) it would only prevent the use of the same game on multiple systems at the same time. Although, there is the complicated issue of having a friend bring their game to your house to play with you, but that would be a timeline issue on their software (maybe a "force eject" for the CD key could do that?).
That is probably where this is going, not destroying used games.
The optimist in me would like to think that this system could be used to streamline the distribution of DLC does and the like. The console would be able to tell if the game is brand new or if has been used before, and through that it can generate a code for the extra DLC that new games come with (pre-order bonuses and such), or the online pass that some companies do if the game is used.
Of course, that's being extremely optimistic. But I highly doubt they would implement this system to combat used games. There's stupid and suicidal, and while Sony may be stupid sometimes (incredibly stupid), they are not suicidal.
Of course, that's being extremely optimistic. But I highly doubt they would implement this system to combat used games. There's stupid and suicidal, and while Sony may be stupid sometimes (incredibly stupid), they are not suicidal.
Sony, I love your products, and I really want to like your business practices, but give me something to work with please.
Maybe one day one of these jackasses will actually manage to shut down used games sales. Then realise how integral they are to new game sales and die in agony.
Maybe one day one of these jackasses will actually manage to shut down used games sales. Then realise how integral they are to new game sales and die in agony.
Don't do this Sony. I actually like your systems and the games you publish for them. Hell, the Playstation 1 was my very first console.
*sigh*
Hopefully, this plan backfires horribly and they get rid of this anti-used game mindset.
*sigh*
Hopefully, this plan backfires horribly and they get rid of this anti-used game mindset.
It's really looking like I may be PC only for the next console generation. I might get the new Xbox if it impresses me, but the Wii U controller is too big to be comfortable in my hands and, if this is true, the PS4 is completely out of the question, mostly for principal.
Took the words right out of my mouth.WouldYouKindly said:
Which I've always felt makes about as much sense as GM suing me for carpooling.Entitled said:
Not really. When you sell a game back to, say, GameStop, you no longer have that game. The number of copies in circulation doesn't change, so it's more analogous to a used car than a bootleg CD.