Sony to PS3 Detractors: Go Sell Razor Blades

[Doug]

The 360 is not without its fanboys and the Wii doesn't even need them, but I have to say: from my experience the PS3 fanboys take the cake.

I have said this so many times - google Markmatthewz channel, click the youtube link, and begin to weep.

I admit that Sony misread the audince for their console - they thought the audience would be willing to pay more for a console that was more powerful, had a greater functionality and added features, and had a greater future.

One nutball 360 fan is one thing. But the PS3 fanboys on here are worse, in my opinion. They turn from calm, mild mannered, fairminded people into insane rabbid people who attack anyone who doesn't go "PS3 ROCKS, EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, I LOVE BLU-RAY!" or "My opinion is right and the universe itself backs me up."

Unconnected, I heared mention of The Daily Show on this thread somewhere - always found that abit 'meh' compared to Bremner, Bird, and Fortune [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJmTCYmo9g&feature=related].

 

[oliveira8]

I know that the torch of unrealistic requirements has been passed from Crysis to a new game called Zeno Clash, a game with, of all things, cavemen, dinosaurs and fish guns.

Where the hell are you getting this from? Zeno Clash is using the Source engine (you know, the same engine HL2 is using) and its developers [http://forums.aceteam.cl/index.php?showtopic=126] have said that they don't want very high system requirements.

And this is why the information you provide is usually spotty at best.

From the April 2009 Hyper Magazine draped across my lap, page 18.
"Don't expect to play Zeno Clash on any old computer, either: just because you could happily run Crysis on Medium-low settings a year ago doesn't automatically mean you can play Zeno clash on any display setting in the world today."

I'd believe it if they weren't using one of the lightest modern FPS engines around and if the game looked more technically advanced than Crysis. I have no idea where the hell they're getting that from.

But anyhow, from your listed games, there's a huge likelihood that GT5 won't be a 2009 release [http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/891/891903p1.html].

Look, this is just what Hyper told me. Its the first time The Source engine has been used outside of Valve (or its some form of the first use of the Source Engine, maybe the first without Gabes approval), their copy needed much higher system req's than on the site to run (that was their experience), and it involved using fish as guns, but fists were better.

And I'll remind you thats the he said it might not make it to 2009, but still might. He wasn't garunteeing it would be delayed.

The Source engine has been used several times in games that arent from Valve.

Alien Swarm: Infested
The Crossing
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
E.Y.E
Garry's Mod
Mabinogi Heroes
Postal III
Prime
Salvation
SiN Episodes
Sting: The Secret Operations
The Ship
They Hunger: Lost Souls
Twilight War: After the Fall
Vampire: The Masquerade ? Bloodlines
Zeno Clash
Untitled Threewave Software game
DinoHunters
Dogfights: The Game
The History Channel's ShootOut! The Game
The Kill Point: Game
Kuma\War 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Engine#Licensed_Source_games

And if that list is correct the Source engine has been used more by other people than Valve itself.

 

[oliveira8]

I know that the torch of unrealistic requirements has been passed from Crysis to a new game called Zeno Clash, a game with, of all things, cavemen, dinosaurs and fish guns.

Where the hell are you getting this from? Zeno Clash is using the Source engine (you know, the same engine HL2 is using) and its developers [http://forums.aceteam.cl/index.php?showtopic=126] have said that they don't want very high system requirements.

And this is why the information you provide is usually spotty at best.

From the April 2009 Hyper Magazine draped across my lap, page 18.
"Don't expect to play Zeno Clash on any old computer, either: just because you could happily run Crysis on Medium-low settings a year ago doesn't automatically mean you can play Zeno clash on any display setting in the world today."

I'd believe it if they weren't using one of the lightest modern FPS engines around and if the game looked more technically advanced than Crysis. I have no idea where the hell they're getting that from.

But anyhow, from your listed games, there's a huge likelihood that GT5 won't be a 2009 release [http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/891/891903p1.html].

Look, this is just what Hyper told me. Its the first time The Source engine has been used outside of Valve (or its some form of the first use of the Source Engine, maybe the first without Gabes approval), their copy needed much higher system req's than on the site to run (that was their experience), and it involved using fish as guns, but fists were better.

And I'll remind you thats the he said it might not make it to 2009, but still might. He wasn't garunteeing it would be delayed.

The Source engine has been used several times in games that arent from Valve.

Alien Swarm: Infested
The Crossing
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
E.Y.E
Garry's Mod
Mabinogi Heroes
Postal III
Prime
Salvation
SiN Episodes
Sting: The Secret Operations
The Ship
They Hunger: Lost Souls
Twilight War: After the Fall
Vampire: The Masquerade ? Bloodlines
Zeno Clash
Untitled Threewave Software game
DinoHunters
Dogfights: The Game
The History Channel's ShootOut! The Game
The Kill Point: Game
Kuma\War 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Engine#Licensed_Source_games

And if that list is correct the Source engine has been used more by other people than Valve itself.

I don't fucking know, alright? This is just what the damn magazine told me - at this point go and complain to them. They told me the game had higher system requirements than Crysis, and I assumed they were correct.

Coming from you that you said and I quote! "Thats just fucking retarded. I keep abreast of what is happening on all platforms." cause I dont know what is going on on the gaming scene for all platforms, I really thought that you would know better.

 

[oliveira8]

Do you really think its that easy for them to drop the price specially with the current climate ?
Its easy to say these things but it would be a lot harder to say" yeah lets lose 100$ on every machine sold"...do the math if they sell a million more units ffs, sony are not that rich right now, no one is.

Oh Nitendo wants a word with you.

 

[oliveira8]

I know that the torch of unrealistic requirements has been passed from Crysis to a new game called Zeno Clash, a game with, of all things, cavemen, dinosaurs and fish guns.

Where the hell are you getting this from? Zeno Clash is using the Source engine (you know, the same engine HL2 is using) and its developers [http://forums.aceteam.cl/index.php?showtopic=126] have said that they don't want very high system requirements.

And this is why the information you provide is usually spotty at best.

From the April 2009 Hyper Magazine draped across my lap, page 18.
"Don't expect to play Zeno Clash on any old computer, either: just because you could happily run Crysis on Medium-low settings a year ago doesn't automatically mean you can play Zeno clash on any display setting in the world today."

I'd believe it if they weren't using one of the lightest modern FPS engines around and if the game looked more technically advanced than Crysis. I have no idea where the hell they're getting that from.

But anyhow, from your listed games, there's a huge likelihood that GT5 won't be a 2009 release [http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/891/891903p1.html].

Look, this is just what Hyper told me. Its the first time The Source engine has been used outside of Valve (or its some form of the first use of the Source Engine, maybe the first without Gabes approval), their copy needed much higher system req's than on the site to run (that was their experience), and it involved using fish as guns, but fists were better.

And I'll remind you thats the he said it might not make it to 2009, but still might. He wasn't garunteeing it would be delayed.

The Source engine has been used several times in games that arent from Valve.

Alien Swarm: Infested
The Crossing
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
E.Y.E
Garry's Mod
Mabinogi Heroes
Postal III
Prime
Salvation
SiN Episodes
Sting: The Secret Operations
The Ship
They Hunger: Lost Souls
Twilight War: After the Fall
Vampire: The Masquerade ? Bloodlines
Zeno Clash
Untitled Threewave Software game
DinoHunters
Dogfights: The Game
The History Channel's ShootOut! The Game
The Kill Point: Game
Kuma\War 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Engine#Licensed_Source_games

And if that list is correct the Source engine has been used more by other people than Valve itself.

I don't fucking know, alright? This is just what the damn magazine told me - at this point go and complain to them. They told me the game had higher system requirements than Crysis, and I assumed they were correct.

Coming from you that you said and I quote! "Thats just fucking retarded. I keep abreast of what is happening on all platforms." cause I dont know what is going on on the gaming scene for all platforms, I really thought that you would know better.

And I cannot be held responsible for lapses in games journalists knowledge.

But you can be held responsible for saying that I not knowing whatever goes in video gaming world is fucking retarded. Or can you not? Maybe I should say that its fucking retarded that you dont know what goes on in the movie industry or the music one, technology, history whatever...

 

[oliveira8]

I know that the torch of unrealistic requirements has been passed from Crysis to a new game called Zeno Clash, a game with, of all things, cavemen, dinosaurs and fish guns.

Where the hell are you getting this from? Zeno Clash is using the Source engine (you know, the same engine HL2 is using) and its developers [http://forums.aceteam.cl/index.php?showtopic=126] have said that they don't want very high system requirements.

And this is why the information you provide is usually spotty at best.

From the April 2009 Hyper Magazine draped across my lap, page 18.
"Don't expect to play Zeno Clash on any old computer, either: just because you could happily run Crysis on Medium-low settings a year ago doesn't automatically mean you can play Zeno clash on any display setting in the world today."

I'd believe it if they weren't using one of the lightest modern FPS engines around and if the game looked more technically advanced than Crysis. I have no idea where the hell they're getting that from.

But anyhow, from your listed games, there's a huge likelihood that GT5 won't be a 2009 release [http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/891/891903p1.html].

Look, this is just what Hyper told me. Its the first time The Source engine has been used outside of Valve (or its some form of the first use of the Source Engine, maybe the first without Gabes approval), their copy needed much higher system req's than on the site to run (that was their experience), and it involved using fish as guns, but fists were better.

And I'll remind you thats the he said it might not make it to 2009, but still might. He wasn't garunteeing it would be delayed.

The Source engine has been used several times in games that arent from Valve.

Alien Swarm: Infested
The Crossing
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
E.Y.E
Garry's Mod
Mabinogi Heroes
Postal III
Prime
Salvation
SiN Episodes
Sting: The Secret Operations
The Ship
They Hunger: Lost Souls
Twilight War: After the Fall
Vampire: The Masquerade ? Bloodlines
Zeno Clash
Untitled Threewave Software game
DinoHunters
Dogfights: The Game
The History Channel's ShootOut! The Game
The Kill Point: Game
Kuma\War 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Engine#Licensed_Source_games

And if that list is correct the Source engine has been used more by other people than Valve itself.

I don't fucking know, alright? This is just what the damn magazine told me - at this point go and complain to them. They told me the game had higher system requirements than Crysis, and I assumed they were correct.

Coming from you that you said and I quote! "Thats just fucking retarded. I keep abreast of what is happening on all platforms." cause I dont know what is going on on the gaming scene for all platforms, I really thought that you would know better.

And I cannot be held responsible for lapses in games journalists knowledge.

But you can be held responsible for saying that I not knowing whatever goes in video gaming world is fucking retarded. Or can you not? Maybe I should say that its fucking retarded that you dont know what goes on in the movie industry or the music one, technology, history whatever...

I keep abreast of technology and politics, and I have little to no interest in movies and (most) music. However there is once again the larger aspect - your not actually keeping up with this is making you an uninformed consumer, as you demonstrated before.

I am uninformed cause I dont see the awesomeness of the PS3 games? Or just cause I dont know every single game> that is coming out like you seem to know? I do know a couple of exclusives that are coming to the PS3/Xbox360/Wii I just dont know them that well to know developer/plot/gameplay/sound/colour of the shirt the main character uses.

And excuse me I have been playing video games for over 14 years going from Spectrums to Playstation 3, I played games were you needed to input lines of code to get them started, and when they came in floppy disks. I'am not an uninformed consumer when it comes to gaming, I just dont need to know every game/developer that is out there, cause to be honest games that manage to impress me as games like Doom, Quake, Super Mario, Half Life, Starcraft or Diablo are as rare as me finding oil under my bed.

And just to brag about it I can say more than 30 bands that are performing in my country this year and when,where and how much the tickets cost.

 

[Legion]

You saying that you're not willing to fork out £100 for blu ray suggests that you think blu ray is the ps3's only distinguishing feature, which is untrue, therefore an attack. I'm no fanboy, im well aware that the ps3 isn't perfect (they need to lower the price, and could have taken a leaf out of MS's book by releasing different versions of the console to cater for different budgets) But from a purely technological standpoint the ps3 is superior. That's a fact, not fanboyism.

No, it suggests that I like the PS3 but due to the fact I have to get the mandatory blu-ray feature (which I do not want) jacking the price up an extra £100 I am not buying one.

I was in fact saying the complete opposite to what you seemed to think I was. The blu-ray player is the only thing I dislike about it and because I have to have it with the console it means I have to pay more for it.

You want to buy a house. It looks great and has everything you like. The only problem is that it has a huge garden which you know you will never use. Due to this extra land it costs an extra 20k onto the asking price.

Would you want to pay more? No.
Does this mean you don't like the house? No.

You could probably find another house that is the same size without the garden for cheaper. Sure it may not have the same size kitchen you like, and the bathroom needs redecorating, but it's a better deal.

I never said you were a fanboy because you think it's superior, hell it is from a technological perspective. I was saying you are one because you see my comment as a personal attack at your choice in platform.

 

[Jumplion]

One nutball 360 fan is one thing. But the PS3 fanboys on here are worse, in my opinion. They turn from calm, mild mannered, fairminded people into insane rabbid people who attack anyone who doesn't go "PS3 ROCKS, EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, I LOVE BLU-RAY!" or "My opinion is right and the universe itself backs me up."

Unconnected, I heared mention of The Daily Show on this thread somewhere - always found that abit 'meh' compared to Bremner, Bird, and Fortune [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJmTCYmo9g&feature=related].

You see, I hate people who think they're "above" fanboys. In my eyes, you're on the same level as them, probably below them on some certain aspects.

I won't deny that there are some crazy fanboys out there, for any system, there are some people who will yell out "360/PS3/PC/WII FUCKING ROCKS/SUCKS, THE PS3/360/WII/PC ARE THE BEST CHOICE!@$%", if you need proof check out the G4 or IGN forums.

But anyone who always says "Yeah, 360/PS3/Wii fanboys are the worst, they never accept any flaws in their system! What losers." are the kind of people that get them off. You think you're above the fanboys when you put them down? I say you're below them for trying to act all high and mighty above them and not even attempting to look at the other perspective or probably even reading what's been going on here. I'm tempted to just label you as a fanboy yourself, or at least anti-fanboys who hate the company behind them.

Don't try to generalize everyone who's a "PS3 fanboy". Indigo_Dingo get's off as aggressive and arrogant, I'll admit, but some of the other "fanboys" are just people trying to inform everyone else that "It's not 2006 people!". Even as the #2 PS3 "fanboy" I'd like to think I still make logical and a mild argument for whatever I'm arguing about. I can accept the PS3 has flaws, I just think that most of them are either A)Non existant anymore and B)Blown out of proportion.

There are those certain types of crazy "fanboys", but those know no boundaries and favor no console. Don't generalize that "all PS3 fanboys are the worst," or you're just as bad as them. You're not "above" them, you just sink to their level of petty elitism. You only add fire to the flames, believe it or not, so it's best to just not post at all and not make us them PS3 fanboys here have to retell the same thing over and over and over again to more people who flock over to you and agree with you to boost your eggo.

 

[-Seraph-]

Aside from what looked like slightly dated graphics to me, that looked AWESOME. If I had a 360 that would be a nice addition to my game collection who knows maybe a PC port will come along.

One nutball 360 fan is one thing. But the PS3 fanboys on here are worse, in my opinion. They turn from calm, mild mannered, fairminded people into insane rabbid people who attack anyone who doesn't go "PS3 ROCKS, EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, I LOVE BLU-RAY!" or "My opinion is right and the universe itself backs me up."

Unconnected, I heared mention of The Daily Show on this thread somewhere - always found that abit 'meh' compared to Bremner, Bird, and Fortune.

Diehard 360,ps3,wii, and PC fanboys can all be equally annoying, none are less annoying than the rest. If you don't like them pay no attention to them. And honestly I can't blame some PS3 overs being a bit touchy when it comes to criticisms over the PS3 because it's an investment they have made and the console has had some harsh moments.

Oh and don't generalize the actions of a few PS3 owners to the entire demographic, that I a BIG NO NO, just as if you were to do it with the other consoles.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Dear God the Sony fanboys are out in force tonight.

You said something stupid, and you were called on it.

Say something relativly intelligent and stop insulting everyone else on the board

*sighs* Sony for some reason seem to be trying to sell their ridiculously priced console on the exclusive games. But lets face it are 3 good exclusives and a Blu Ray player most people wont use enough to justify shelling out that cash?
(the games i mean are Killzone 2, MGS4, and GOW3 none of which I'm interested in, but a lot of people like)

Well if thats the criteria, the Ps3 really stacks up well against the 360, which has no decent games and never will have any decent games in any form, and just sits there, getting broken and more useless.

Hey look. The fanboy alarm. Lets ring it. AWOOGA AWOOGA!

Duly rung. Now arm those torpedos!

Because one has a future, and one doesn't. Lets just look at this years upcoming releases of pure and untapped awesome for the Ps3. You have God Of War III, Gran Turismo 5, MAG, White Knight Chronicles, God of War III, Heavy Rain, God of War III, inFAMOUS, God Of War III, Singstar Queen (people keep omitting it, and I don't begrudge that - it is Singstar, after all - but its still built around the works of the best group for random singing ever, Queen. I cannot count the number of times a group of friends and I have burst into spontaneous Bohemian Rhapsody's), God Of War III, and a fair amount of damn cool downloadable games. If you look at the 360, you've got jack shit, unless Alan Wake suprises everyone. The Ps3 has far greater potential for awesome than the 360, and is showing it in spades.

*sighs* Sony for some reason seem to be trying to sell their ridiculously priced console on the exclusive games. But lets face it are 3 good exclusives and a Blu Ray player most people wont use enough to justify shelling out that cash?
(the games i mean are Killzone 2, MGS4, and GOW3 none of which I'm interested in, but a lot of people like)

Well if thats the criteria, the Ps3 really stacks up well against the 360, which has no decent games and never will have any decent games in any form, and just sits there, getting broken and more useless.

Hey look. The fanboy alarm. Lets ring it. AWOOGA AWOOGA!

So its okay, even praiseable when he does it, but not when I point out the logical implications of what he's saying? Can you say hypocrite?

Ok, your response to Simriel's thing had absolutely NO logic behind it. You DENIED that the 360 has any good games, while he allowed for the fact that the PS3 does. This is the reason why he is a angry consumer, whilst you are a fanboy, and the reason why I support the sounding of the alarm. Your post was essentially a flame, and if you want to be taken seriously, you should type stuff other than "LOL 360 IS TEH SUX", which was all I managed to get from your response to him.

Now to your response to my post. You seem to have forgotten that logic is supreme, and logic dicates thus:

The quality of games to be released in the future cannot be given as an arguement, because these games have yet to be released. Unless you have psychic powers and can see the future, disdain from using future releases as an argument for the superiority of a system.

Also, you used GoW3 a few too many times.

Using MAG, inFAMOUS, and White Knight Chronicles was also a bad idea. These are UNPROVEN franchises, and could easily go the way of the dinosaur. And a freakin' karoake game? No matter how good it is, I doubt people will flock to the PS3 for what is essentially some singalong songs.


(Please note: I'm actually a huge fan of karaoke games. I'm just EXTREMELY sceptical that Joe gamer will flock to the black monolith for an exclusive one.)

As for DLC, the 360 has a big lead in terms of good games on Arcade, though I'll give you the fact that Sony has been doing a lot to close the gap.

GoW comes from a franchise thats extremly successful and not changing anything much so why would he not use it? White Knight Chronicles IS out so it's valid. And I posted a huge list of released, confirmed to come and possibilities.

Also Simrel is angry because his girlfriend and him had to break up. But then Indigo is a Fanboy, problem with that is it's not an insult, he wears it with pride.

Don't use cheap shots in a forum, it degrades everyone involved.

Since I haven't heard nary a whisper about WKC, I can't say much about its marketing...and then why did he put that in his future releases?
My post said he used GoW3 too many times, not that he use used it at all, btw.
If you cared to look, the 360 has loads of stuff coming too. I won't post it (due to being lazy) but if you cared to look you'll find plenty coming from MS as well as Sony.

Being a fanboy means you are being illogical. Hence the reason I despise all of them.

A cheap shot? that remark implies that I was correct in my statement, if so I'll stick to it.

I know you said future releases that was a grammatical mistake from myself.
And I know it has loads of stuff coming out, but how much of that is coming to the PC or the PS3 to? No seriously honest question here.

And WKC has been out in japan since Christmas, Indigo is talking about english release, I have a gameplay video on my Youtube account.

I can confirm that yes. This is why i am involved here. To blow of steam. But let me say this. Omni here is my mate. He likes the PS3. I enjoy gaming on the Xbox 360. We respect each others choices in console, and do NOT spend all our time on forums trying to change each others opinion. We get along. Can it really be that hard for the rest of you Ps3/Xbox fans?

My apologies then, it seems I was operating under a misapprehesion.
And what you said here is what I want, a open discussion on things instead of a flame war. There are already far too many threads that have degenerated to that level.

Yeah sorry if this came of as me flaming, me and Sim are just SICK of people acting like one console is superior. I don't even act like my PS3 is superior (though my dialogue may look that way, it's because it's the console in need of the most defending)

Lies (regarding console in need of most defending).

That is all.

 

[planterpeanut]

From the April 2009 Hyper Magazine draped across my lap, page 18.
"Don't expect to play Zeno Clash on any old computer, either: just because you could happily run Crysis on Medium-low settings a year ago doesn't automatically mean you can play Zeno clash on any display setting in the world today."

I'm one of Zeno Clash's game developers and I can guarantee it runs on older machines. The system requirements are basically the same as Left4Dead, slightly higher. The most consuming thing is depth of field / motion blur, and if you turn it off it will run on considerably old computers.

...I'm running it on a system with an AGP video card...

 

[Methshin]

Well, I bought my 80 gb ps3 at christmas 07, since then, I've bought 20+ games and I think I have 8 blu ray movies. It hasn't broken on me, I can count on one hand the amount of times it has frozen (damn you oblivion!) and b/c of when I bought my system it is back. comp., came with 3 games, the HDMI ps3 cable pack, and the ps3 remote for movies. I paid $560(CAD) for this and my buddy paid $540 for his Halo 3 edition ps3 with no games, and a 20 gb hd (which has managed to break 3 times since it was purchased upon release). So when he bought his halo 3 (which should have come with the system IMO), he was at $600, and that's not including the Live account which is pretty much necessary in order to enjoy a game like Halo 3 (specifically Halo 3 due to it's dreadful single player campaign).

All of this banter back and forth is just a dick waving competition and it doesn't make any sense. All of the systems are good in their own regard, it all depends on what you're looking for as a gamer.

As someone that is looking for a reliable system, with many games that I enjoy playing, I'm not gonna fuss over $50-100. Worst case scenario, I have to wait another month to buy it. Which is fine, cause I'd probably be waiting a total of a month for all the repair time the xbox would have needed before the next generation of systems were released.

I have a general rule of thumb when it comes to hardware. Don't buy it from a software manufacturer. It's done me well so far.

You can quote me all you want and try to find holes in my arguement (as I'm sure you are all very experienced at lying to yourselves), but it's not gonna change a damn thing. The wii is an underpowered trinket designed to cater to non gamers, which I personally take great offence to, the 360 is a gremlin infested box that should be condemned on its failure rate alone, and the ps3 is the loner kid with lots of cash. Sure he's fun to hang out with, but he's only willing to hang with the wealthier kids so they can go on fantastical adventures together, pretty much alienating all but the hardcore gamer, which all of us are anyways.

So like I mentioned before, you guys can keep lying to yourselves in a vain attempt to convince yourself and others that you made the right choice, but at the end of the day, I still know I'm right and there's not too much you can do about that.

 

[jthm]

"If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now."

The price is reasonable, that Sony still takes a loss and sells it is reasonable.

"I'm not interested in the Blu-ray at this time and am just not willing to fork over the extra money."

As a PS3 owner with a HDTV, I could care less about Blu ray, I didn't buy it for Blu ray. I bought it because it had a built in wireless, hard drive, rechargable controllers, a low failure rate, and free online content. I don't have to pay $50 a year to play Warhawk (which is roughly the PS3 equivalanet to Halo 3). Blu ray is more of a bonus, not a major selling point.

The cheapest Xbox is $199. Once you add in a HD ($70-$150), a wireless network adapter ($50), pay for Xbox live ($50/year), hybrid rayovack NiMH Alkaline batteries ($10) you are already up to $380. A whopping $19 difference from the cheapest PS3. Then if you purchase Xbox live for another year, you are over the price of the PS3.

Then there's the fact that I don't have to screw with rechargable batteries for the PS3. I also don't have to worry about my discs being scratched and ruining my games, and I don't have to worry about my PS3 dying and having to send it back to be repaired.

So I just don't understand the cost argument against the PS3, since I would have to pay more to get the same features with the Xbox 360. So maybe there's something I'm missing, but features like having to buy a hard drive, paying for xbox live, having to buy a wireless network adapter, and failure rates were things that I thought about when buying a PS3 or Xbox 360. The PS3 seems like a better deal to me. At the time I also thought Play TV was coming to the U.S., it's a shame that it didn't.

Edit:spelling

Okay, stop. Just stop. That argument about the comparative pricing is tired and flawed. I own all three systems, and while the PS3 is the best hardware wise, my 360 beats it on pretty much all other fronts. I pay for live because live is a MUCH MUCH MUCH more user friendly interface than the PSN. Hands down, no contest. I'll pay for that convenience.

Now, let's look over your math here. HD upgrade? Don't need it, don't want it, dying disc format anyway. Since it isn't bundled with the system and it isn't necessary to run it, it doesn't count. Sorry, but it's true.
Wireless network adapter? I'll give you that one, as I use a cheap one for my own wireless network. But it is worth pointing out that the ethernet port on the back works just as well. So we're up to ($50) assuming we're going with a good quality adapter.
Xbox live? Okay, I'll grant that one too since I bought it. My brother gets by with splitscreen co-op and system link lans just fine, but whatever. So we're up to ($100) dollars.
What area are you from that $10 is a reasonable price for 2 AA batteries? No sir, let's cut that down to about ($3). Once again though that isn't necessary. I get by just fine on my wired controllers. The wire is so long I've never run out of room with it. I come from a day when a game controller had wires, so I have no problem with this. So let's drop that too.

A more realistic price for a 360 compared to a cheap PS3 is 199.99 + 103.00 = $302.99 Vs. a $400 cheap PS3. But honestly it sounds like you're the sort who is talking bells and whistles and let's face it, most of us want to play our old PS1 and 2 library. So what we're talking here is roughly $300 vs. $500.00

Also, you don't have to buy a HDD. My 20G that came with the system works just fine. It isn't a PC, I don't need music on it.

But think of how much money you are going to spend on Xbox LIVE, since a lot of you guys seem to value multiplayer. The PS3 multiplayer and communtiy is free.

I know it is, I use it. It's still not as user friendly as Live though. Communicating, party forming and joining a match is uniformly better on the xbox than the PS3, so much so that I would say the money is well spent.

 

[Wargamer]

As others have said, you get what you pay for; with both the 360 and the Wii, my friends have had to make that rather sad excuse of "we can't play multiplayer anymore, because my batteries are dead".

PS3? Never going to happen.

The PS3 is very, very expensive... but I'd rather have something big and expensive than cheap and nasty any day.

 

[Jumplion]

So like I mentioned before, you guys can keep lying to yourselves in a vain attempt to convince yourself and others that you made the right choice, but at the end of the day, I still know I'm right and there's not too much you can do about that.

don't worry, I'm not trying to bash your or anything (infact, I agree with you on some aspects), but I find this last paragraph extremely ironic/hypocritical. In a good way of course

I'd hope you mean "I know I personally am right with my own decicion." so that way it wouldn't come off as someone trying to tell everyone else that HE'S right.