Sony to PS3 Detractors: Go Sell Razor Blades

[oliveira8]

No, it suggests that I like the PS3 but due to the fact I have to get the mandatory blu-ray feature (which I do not want) jacking the price up an extra £100 I am not buying one.

I was in fact saying the complete opposite to what you seemed to think I was. The blu-ray player is the only thing I dislike about it and because I have to have it with the console it means I have to pay more for it.

You want to buy a house. It looks great and has everything you like. The only problem is that it has a huge garden which you know you will never use. Due to this extra land it costs an extra 20k onto the asking price.

Would you want to pay more? No.
Does this mean you don't like the house? No.

You could probably find another house that is the same size without the garden for cheaper. Sure it may not have the same size kitchen you like, and the bathroom needs redecorating, but it's a better deal.

That is the WORST god damn analogy I have ever heard.

First of all, you WILL use the Blu-ray. Wanna know how I know? THE GAMES ARE BLU-RAY! It's like saying "Well fuck the PS2 I don't wanna buy it, it has a DVD drive, I don't want an extra drive when my PS1 does everything it does without the shitty DVD drive"

Okay not in those exact words but do you hear yourself?

PEOPLE! Stop treating the blu-ray drive like it's independant from what plays the games! you are NOT paying an extra 100 dollars for a Blu-Ray Drive, your probably spending more on the frigging processor.

But in that case fine, I'll buy a PS3, remove the blu-ray drive and then sell it to you for 100 dollars cheaper.

Just don't expect it to actually be able to Play anything.

Just like the 360 uses a DVD drive to play the games, the PS3 uses a Blu-Ray. Not a hard concept to grasp!

In terms of gaming they have a LOT more storage on them. That's all I care about.

It's not the PS3, OH and it has a blu-ray player that were making you pay $100 for.

It's the PS3, OH and the Blu-Ray player plays games DVD movies and Blu-Ray movies we sorta needed it to make the thing work.

Not $300 +$100, this is not a feature you can remove, your not buying anything but a PS3. Unless when I brought the PS2 I was buying "A console, OH and the DVD player"

wtf I never said that.

 

[oliveira8]

No, it suggests that I like the PS3 but due to the fact I have to get the mandatory blu-ray feature (which I do not want) jacking the price up an extra £100 I am not buying one.

I was in fact saying the complete opposite to what you seemed to think I was. The blu-ray player is the only thing I dislike about it and because I have to have it with the console it means I have to pay more for it.

You want to buy a house. It looks great and has everything you like. The only problem is that it has a huge garden which you know you will never use. Due to this extra land it costs an extra 20k onto the asking price.

Would you want to pay more? No.
Does this mean you don't like the house? No.

You could probably find another house that is the same size without the garden for cheaper. Sure it may not have the same size kitchen you like, and the bathroom needs redecorating, but it's a better deal.

That is the WORST god damn analogy I have ever heard.

First of all, you WILL use the Blu-ray. Wanna know how I know? THE GAMES ARE BLU-RAY! It's like saying "Well fuck the PS2 I don't wanna buy it, it has a DVD drive, I don't want an extra drive when my PS1 does everything it does without the shitty DVD drive"

Okay not in those exact words but do you hear yourself?

PEOPLE! Stop treating the blu-ray drive like it's independant from what plays the games! you are NOT paying an extra 100 dollars for a Blu-Ray Drive, your probably spending more on the frigging processor.

But in that case fine, I'll buy a PS3, remove the blu-ray drive and then sell it to you for 100 dollars cheaper.

Just don't expect it to actually be able to Play anything.

Just like the 360 uses a DVD drive to play the games, the PS3 uses a Blu-Ray. Not a hard concept to grasp!

In terms of gaming they have a LOT more storage on them. That's all I care about.

It's not the PS3, OH and it has a blu-ray player that were making you pay $100 for.

It's the PS3, OH and the Blu-Ray player plays games DVD movies and Blu-Ray movies we sorta needed it to make the thing work.

Not $300 +$100, this is not a feature you can remove, your not buying anything but a PS3. Unless when I brought the PS2 I was buying "A console, OH and the DVD player"

wtf I never said that.

I just quoted the wrong person didn't I >.<

You did. ^^

 

[The Black Adder]

If the Xbox is SO much better, then pray tell, what are these amazing games that are coming out that aren't going to be on PS3? Halo 7? Gears of War 12?

[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_exclusives[/link] current 360 exclusives, [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CategorylayStation_3-only_games[/link] current ps3 exclusives.

2009 360 Exclusives:
Halo Wars
Alan Wake
Halo Chronicles
Cry On
Mass Effect 2 (It is coming out on windows at one point though)
APB
Splinter Cell Conviction
Star Ocean IV
New Bungie Halo game
Forza 3

Ps3 2009 Exclusives:
- Demon's Soul
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII
- God of War III
- Gran Turismo 5
- Heavy Rain
- Infamous
- KillZone 2
- MAG
- Quantum Theory
- Uncharted 2
- White Knight Chronicles
- Yakuza 3

Both have pretty good lists.

Whoa! I can't wait for 3 more Halo games to come out in a row!

Well I find that hard to believe seeing as you don't own an xbox, though I am looking forward to Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2 and Forza 3 alot more. Oh and Of course I forgot to mention Chronicles of Riddick though that is actually coming out on the PS3 when you think about it, alot of the best games multi-plat anyway, although I am not entirely sure why different peoples taste in games mattered? I always thought people who prefered shootery racery RPGey stuff went for the Xbox and jRPGey Hack n Slashy Solid Snakey people went for the PS3. That isn't to say that they can't do both* but I think the majority of those genres come out on those respective consoles.


*:
KillZone 2
Blue Dragon
Gran Turismo 5 (though I always thought they were a prime of example of how not to make a racer)
Star Ocean IV

On reflection what I just said is most definatly total bullshit!
The Wii totally pwnz them both anyway

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Sure I don't own an Xbox 360, but a few of my friends have them and we'll rent any new game that comes out that we are interested in. Sometimes it two player and if it isn't then we take turns. If I want a good Nippon RPG I'll go play Playstation or SNES, not PS3. If I want to play a regular RPG or a good shooter I'll go for my PC and for racing...well I'd have to say PS3.

 

[The Black Adder]

I received several replies to my first post, I will address a couple of these replies.

oh and everybody who buys a console these days clearly has an HD-TV, and needs wireless in order to play games online.

If the Xbox and PS3 can't do the same things, then in my mind you are comparing apples and oranges. If your argument is that the PS3 should have its price lowered by removing features and hardware such as the hard drive and wireless internet, that's a valid statement. However I don't think it makes sense to compare the cheapest Xbox 360 and cheapest PS3 unless these units can do the same things.

On the HD-TV comment, I was saying I had a HD-TV and didn't care at all about Blu Ray. It's nice, but that in and of itself isn't going to persuade me to buy the console over an equivalent product without Blu Ray.

And do people only buy rechargeable batteries because they have a game controller? I doubt that, so why does that even factor into costs?

So your point is that everyone has excess rechargable batteries laying around, and no one has the minimum number that they need to run their stuff. I do not agree with you, since at least a few (maybe all) of the Xbox 360 owners I know have had to make a trip to the store after the fact to purchase rechargables, which means all Xbox 360 owners don't have spare rechargables lying around. Rechargable batteries are a fair cost to give to the Xbox 360.

Oh, and the one time my 360 bricked 2 years ago I got it repaired for free.

So Microsoft pays shipping both ways? That's nice of them. I haven't seen a company I've RMA'd a product to do that before.

What area are you from that $10 is a reasonable price for 2 AA batteries?

Well if you are gonna get rechargables, you might as well get the good ones, a AAA 4 pack of Rayovac Hybrid rechargables is $10. I can't buy just two of these, and I haven't found them cheaper anywhere else.

I'm curious as to why people do furiously dispute my battery remarks.

Now, let's look over your math here. HD upgrade? Don't need it, don't want it, dying disc format anyway. Since it isn't bundled with the system and it isn't necessary to run it, it doesn't count. Sorry, but it's true.
Wireless network adapter? I'll give you that one, as I use a cheap one for my own wireless network. But it is worth pointing out that the ethernet port on the back works just as well. So we're up to ($50) assuming we're going with a good quality adapter.
Xbox live? Okay, I'll grant that one too since I bought it. My brother gets by with splitscreen co-op and system link lans just fine, but whatever. So we're up to ($100) dollars.

So most of the features that I mentioned, you agree that you'd purchase. Ultimately, the Xbox 360 is not going to cost you the only $199. You may not care about having a Hard Drive, I definitely do, as I find loading from a disc to be somewhat tedious, and yes, I will pay money to reduce loading times.

Some people don't care about wireless network adapters and are happy running wires through their house.

Again, I understand the argument of "pull hardware and features out of the PS3 to make it cheaper". That's actually a good demand. It makes sense to meet that demand if that's what people want. That's not the argument I'm seeing though, I'm seeing "drop the price of the PS3 so it's closer to the Xbox 360 and the Wii"

I don't understand that argument, as they just compared two things that don't do the same things, and I have to put money into the Xbox 360 to make it comparable to the PS3.

I didn't even say those things that you quoted me for.

 

[The Black Adder]

"If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now."

The price is reasonable, that Sony still takes a loss and sells it is reasonable.

"I'm not interested in the Blu-ray at this time and am just not willing to fork over the extra money."

As a PS3 owner with a HDTV, I could care less about Blu ray, I didn't buy it for Blu ray. I bought it because it had a built in wireless, hard drive, rechargable controllers, a low failure rate, and free online content. I don't have to pay $50 a year to play Warhawk (which is roughly the PS3 equivalanet to Halo 3). Blu ray is more of a bonus, not a major selling point.

The cheapest Xbox is $199. Once you add in a HD ($70-$150), a wireless network adapter ($50), pay for Xbox live ($50/year), hybrid rayovack NiMH Alkaline batteries ($10) you are already up to $380. A whopping $19 difference from the cheapest PS3. Then if you purchase Xbox live for another year, you are over the price of the PS3.

Then there's the fact that I don't have to screw with rechargable batteries for the PS3. I also don't have to worry about my discs being scratched and ruining my games, and I don't have to worry about my PS3 dying and having to send it back to be repaired.

So I just don't understand the cost argument against the PS3, since I would have to pay more to get the same features with the Xbox 360. So maybe there's something I'm missing, but features like having to buy a hard drive, paying for xbox live, having to buy a wireless network adapter, and failure rates were things that I thought about when buying a PS3 or Xbox 360. The PS3 seems like a better deal to me. At the time I also thought Play TV was coming to the U.S., it's a shame that it didn't.

Edit:spelling

Okay, stop. Just stop. That argument about the comparative pricing is tired and flawed. I own all three systems, and while the PS3 is the best hardware wise, my 360 beats it on pretty much all other fronts. I pay for live because live is a MUCH MUCH MUCH more user friendly interface than the PSN. Hands down, no contest. I'll pay for that convenience.

Now, let's look over your math here. HD upgrade? Don't need it, don't want it, dying disc format anyway. Since it isn't bundled with the system and it isn't necessary to run it, it doesn't count. Sorry, but it's true.
Wireless network adapter? I'll give you that one, as I use a cheap one for my own wireless network. But it is worth pointing out that the ethernet port on the back works just as well. So we're up to ($50) assuming we're going with a good quality adapter.
Xbox live? Okay, I'll grant that one too since I bought it. My brother gets by with splitscreen co-op and system link lans just fine, but whatever. So we're up to ($100) dollars.
What area are you from that $10 is a reasonable price for 2 AA batteries? No sir, let's cut that down to about ($3). Once again though that isn't necessary. I get by just fine on my wired controllers. The wire is so long I've never run out of room with it. I come from a day when a game controller had wires, so I have no problem with this. So let's drop that too.

A more realistic price for a 360 compared to a cheap PS3 is 199.99 + 103.00 = $302.99 Vs. a $400 cheap PS3. But honestly it sounds like you're the sort who is talking bells and whistles and let's face it, most of us want to play our old PS1 and 2 library. So what we're talking here is roughly $300 vs. $500.00

Also, you don't have to buy a HDD. My 20G that came with the system works just fine. It isn't a PC, I don't need music on it.

But think of how much money you are going to spend on Xbox LIVE, since a lot of you guys seem to value multiplayer. The PS3 multiplayer and communtiy is free.

I know it is, I use it. It's still not as user friendly as Live though. Communicating, party forming and joining a match is uniformly better on the xbox than the PS3, so much so that I would say the money is well spent.

I just don't see any need to continue to pay for a game after I spent 60 dollars on it brand new, and then have to pay every month or so (on top of my internet bills) just so I can play a game. Personally online multiplayer annoys me, especially with the amount of whining, foul mouthed brats that are all over Xbox Live. And watch what words you use because to me user-friendly translates as made for idiots.

 

[Woe Is You]

And watch what words you use because to me user-friendly translates as made for idiots.

So we have our first Gentoo user here?

 

[-Seraph-]

Oh if your wondering why there isn't any lock-on? because IN Mobile Suit Gundam Minovsky particles screwed with Radar and targetting systems, so you actually HAD to be a good shot. No Auto-Lockon here.

Lock on if for chumps. Oh and you take me for a gundam noob!? how dare you insult my intelligence good sir!! I know about minovsky particles and the lot hmph!! Just kidding ;p

 

[jthm]

"If you had priced your console reasonably then I probably would own a PS3 rather than a 360 right now."

The price is reasonable, that Sony still takes a loss and sells it is reasonable.

"I'm not interested in the Blu-ray at this time and am just not willing to fork over the extra money."

As a PS3 owner with a HDTV, I could care less about Blu ray, I didn't buy it for Blu ray. I bought it because it had a built in wireless, hard drive, rechargable controllers, a low failure rate, and free online content. I don't have to pay $50 a year to play Warhawk (which is roughly the PS3 equivalanet to Halo 3). Blu ray is more of a bonus, not a major selling point.

The cheapest Xbox is $199. Once you add in a HD ($70-$150), a wireless network adapter ($50), pay for Xbox live ($50/year), hybrid rayovack NiMH Alkaline batteries ($10) you are already up to $380. A whopping $19 difference from the cheapest PS3. Then if you purchase Xbox live for another year, you are over the price of the PS3.

Then there's the fact that I don't have to screw with rechargable batteries for the PS3. I also don't have to worry about my discs being scratched and ruining my games, and I don't have to worry about my PS3 dying and having to send it back to be repaired.

So I just don't understand the cost argument against the PS3, since I would have to pay more to get the same features with the Xbox 360. So maybe there's something I'm missing, but features like having to buy a hard drive, paying for xbox live, having to buy a wireless network adapter, and failure rates were things that I thought about when buying a PS3 or Xbox 360. The PS3 seems like a better deal to me. At the time I also thought Play TV was coming to the U.S., it's a shame that it didn't.

Edit:spelling

Okay, stop. Just stop. That argument about the comparative pricing is tired and flawed. I own all three systems, and while the PS3 is the best hardware wise, my 360 beats it on pretty much all other fronts. I pay for live because live is a MUCH MUCH MUCH more user friendly interface than the PSN. Hands down, no contest. I'll pay for that convenience.

Now, let's look over your math here. HD upgrade? Don't need it, don't want it, dying disc format anyway. Since it isn't bundled with the system and it isn't necessary to run it, it doesn't count. Sorry, but it's true.
Wireless network adapter? I'll give you that one, as I use a cheap one for my own wireless network. But it is worth pointing out that the ethernet port on the back works just as well. So we're up to ($50) assuming we're going with a good quality adapter.
Xbox live? Okay, I'll grant that one too since I bought it. My brother gets by with splitscreen co-op and system link lans just fine, but whatever. So we're up to ($100) dollars.
What area are you from that $10 is a reasonable price for 2 AA batteries? No sir, let's cut that down to about ($3). Once again though that isn't necessary. I get by just fine on my wired controllers. The wire is so long I've never run out of room with it. I come from a day when a game controller had wires, so I have no problem with this. So let's drop that too.

A more realistic price for a 360 compared to a cheap PS3 is 199.99 + 103.00 = $302.99 Vs. a $400 cheap PS3. But honestly it sounds like you're the sort who is talking bells and whistles and let's face it, most of us want to play our old PS1 and 2 library. So what we're talking here is roughly $300 vs. $500.00

Also, you don't have to buy a HDD. My 20G that came with the system works just fine. It isn't a PC, I don't need music on it.

But think of how much money you are going to spend on Xbox LIVE, since a lot of you guys seem to value multiplayer. The PS3 multiplayer and communtiy is free.

I know it is, I use it. It's still not as user friendly as Live though. Communicating, party forming and joining a match is uniformly better on the xbox than the PS3, so much so that I would say the money is well spent.

I just don't see any need to continue to pay for a game after I spent 60 dollars on it brand new, and then have to pay every month or so (on top of my internet bills) just so I can play a game. Personally online multiplayer annoys me, especially with the amount of whining, foul mouthed brats that are all over Xbox Live. And watch what words you use because to me user-friendly translates as made for idiots.

Nah user friendly means easier to use. Shortcuts and better connections, better host choosing and easier messaging. Non user friendly means made by idiots.

I can't argue about the foul mouthed children on live, but I can mute them. And they are there on PS3 too, just not as many of them.

 

[.N.o.M.a.D.]

The reason I use a PS3 is because I'm past puberty. I don't need a myspace or a facebook and I don't need a UI designed for small girls.

The WI markets for the younger (AKA casual)Population. They are swimming in dough, but that doesn't give them any self-respect.

Microsoft, upon seeing such hefty baking material, Is also now marketing to the young, pre-pubescent flowers of our society, quite unburdened as well with the need for dignity (I mean its microsooft we are talking about)

The PS3 does not specifically market to toddlers. Its priced at a range where people with some disposable income and LONG TERM GOALS are at the advantage I.E. Most of the gamers functioning as productive-ish members of society.

 

[Woe Is You]

It's interesting that people associate younger with casual when it's more commonly the other way round. When I was 10, I came from school and had the whole day to spend playing games. Now, when I'm almost almost thrice that age, I have all sorts of responsibilities to take care of and have to manage the time I have with games.

And last I saw, sites like Facebook were really popular with the older crowd too.

And watch what words you use because to me user-friendly translates as made for idiots.

So we have our first Gentoo user here?

I don't understand the problem, I just PM my friends online

Heres where I'm going, wanna play? Sure? cool.

There it's easy.

I was really taking a jab at the "user-friendly translates as made for idiots" part. Those kind of stupid arguments are really the sort that I hear from hardcore Gentoo enthusiasts.

What XBL does much better than PSN, though, is that it basically automates all those parts for you so you can easily hop from game to game with your friends thanks to the party system and as an added bonus, joining a party means you won't hear anyone but your friends.

 

[Jumplion]

Condense

I think it'd be best if you just made a separate thread for that. And for god's sake people, condense your quotes! It's hard enough as it is to find who's arguing who, condense your damn quotes!