Luciella said:
oreso said:
I agree with her.
I have played all GoWs and not even once thought of Kratos as sexy. I always saw him as some barbaric trope model that makes men feel they want to be like him, never that he was done to appeal to me as a girl. As for Bayonetta, its obvious its made to appeal for men, as the promotion ads asked people to "undress her", unless u swing for the other side, i would never see that as a power-fantasy for a woman, more like a boner-fantasy for dudes.
As for good examples of sexy males that appeal and are specifically made for women (or at least for most of the female gamers i know), you can find Bioware and square enix normally know it.
For example, i found quite appealing Alistar Theirin, Zevran and Fenris (dragon age) as well as Carth Onasi and in a minor way Atton Rand (kotor). I know many girls that played the first Dragon age that enjoyed quite a lot (myself included) to make Alistar or Zevran run naked in battle, just because we could take the armor off to a very nice point, plus the depth of the character that is what really attracted us makes it worth it and worth of many sexy fanfictions.
The female gamer base tends to have an artistic side, you will find that most of the writers and artists that keep some game alive for years through their works (comic's of side stories, or fanfiction) are women in general. You can go to fanfiction and still find updated stories about DragonAge 1 or to deviant art and the same thing, comic artworks that have being kept updated since the game release till this year.
As for other examples, Sephiroth appeals a lot to women, Kingdomhearts as a whole as well.
Women in general are not attracted instantly to beef-looking men without a shirt and in a bikini. A good way of knowing which characters are done for women, is the personality the male character has (This is why many women are attracted to Garrus, myself included) AND then the option to see what he's got under his cloths, or lil glimpses in some scenes here and there that actually make sense. Not the entire character to be nude all time, no; that's just pointless.
Ladies, we most of us, men, have realized that women aren't hive minded creatures.
So why it is so hard for a lot of you to understand that men aren't hive minded either?
Let me talk about me personally (I'm pretty sure there are at least few that think the same way)
I don't find Kratos as power fantasy, rather he is power parody.
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe Kratos was designed as barbarian, because he IS BARBARIAN? And his clothes and body complexion projects that?
Kratos first response to problem is kill/crush/destroy, and for any more or less mature person such attitude is laughable.
How low you must think about males to even propose that all (or even majority) males dream to be braindead brutes?
Don't you think that if Kratos is power fantasy, he at most can be teenage power fantasy. Any adequate person older than 20y knows that true power comes from knowledge, skills and willpower, not from overgrown pieces of meat hanging from your body or anger.
Would you be surprised that I find Bayonetta repulsing? Even ugly?
Maybe she has awesome personality, I don't know, since I never played the game.
But from physical point of view she isn't sexual fantasy of every single male.
From what you are saying I take that for you character personality plays much more important role, then looks.
I can respect that.
But lets say that Kratos had deep and emotional backstory and character behind him.
Lets say that games did better job to portrait him as tragical character, that is not as much on path of vengeance, but simply tries to achieve sense of justice against gods, who shattered his life into pieces. And his body complexion simply gives him enough strength to punish gods and their minions for injustice they did.
And lets assume that for some reasons you found this sense of honor and justice attractive.
Wouldn't you at that point consider Kratos attractive, like the characters you mentioned you like.
Because if answer is yes (and I assume it's yes) then it means that developers simply did a bad job of making Kratos into compelling character.
And there is no point of arguing if his design is appealing to anyone.
Bad character is bad character no matter how he/she looks.
My personal power fantasy? Simple. Adam Jensen. Diplomacy for him is more important than violence, not to mention that through all the game his main task is not to seek revenge or saving the damsel (or some BS like that), but rather investigate what happened and who was really behind the attack. Basically his doing his job. Boring I know