Sony: Wii Didn't Bring Gaming Into the Mainstream, PS2 Did

[Snotnarok]

I'm pretty sure the NES/Famicom saved gaming and brought it to the mainstream from what I understood, the PSOne brought RPG to the mainstream with some slick titles but in all honesty ...who cares? I enjoyed the PS2 a lot but don't go rubbing our noses in it sony

 

[similar.squirrel]

What do they mean by 'mainstream', exactly?
I never fully understood the term.
It's not as if gaming has been a niche hobby for the last decade or so.

 

[theultimateend]

So was I the only one who went to an elementary school where owning an N64 was the equivelant of being cool? Sweet jesus when I got Goldeneye people basically lined up at my house to play multiplayer.

Likewise in Junior High it was Pokemon that dominated the school. For the exception of some of the 'bullies' and sports kids (too pathetic to really be called jocks in Junior High) everyone was on the Pokemon bandwagon.

The PS1 was my brothers system and was basically just there. Although PS2 had (at the time) some amazing games. I still like the system but only because of Nippon Ichi and a few Squaresoft games.

I will soon have a PS3 slim (which will complete my owning of all systems this generation) but I do think Sony is swinging their epeen around a bit too hardily if my experiences in Washington weren't different from other states.

 

[Jumplion]

It's not the fact that Sony is saying something good about themselves, it's the fact that they are being completely pretentious and arrogant about it, there's a huge difference.

And to be honest... the Nintendo DS did more to bring gaming to the masses then both the Wii and PS2 combined... But who gives a crap? It's a ridiculous claim whether it comes out of Sony's ass or Nintendo's ass..

And other companies don't do the same? Granted, I will give you that Sony does make it seem like they do it more often, but people just overreact to everything they say nowadays.

They could have just said the play station 3. Other companies don't wank their own ego like that. Other companies don't come out with press statements like this saying "Nuh-uh we did it FIRST! Nintendo is a mean liar! Wahhhhh!". Lets not mention other companies don't put fucking rootkits onto their audio CDs and expect no one to notice. Then react with general surprise when they find out it's illegal.

They're detached from reality.

Other companies? What other companies? Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and say that other companies don't do [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352-Microsoft-Rep-Slams-PS3-and-Killzone-2] this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.117913] crap? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4]

 

[fix-the-spade]

I think he's wrong entirely. The PS1 did it on a level the PS2 only continued. PC, early Nintendo and Sega consoles never quite movedout of the kids and tech heads markets, whilst PS1's turned in nightclubs.

He has a point, my age group aren't referred to as the Playstation Generation for nothing...

 

[Zer_]

It's not the fact that Sony is saying something good about themselves, it's the fact that they are being completely pretentious and arrogant about it, there's a huge difference.

And to be honest... the Nintendo DS did more to bring gaming to the masses then both the Wii and PS2 combined... But who gives a crap? It's a ridiculous claim whether it comes out of Sony's ass or Nintendo's ass..

And other companies don't do the same? Granted, I will give you that Sony does make it seem like they do it more often, but people just overreact to everything they say nowadays.

They could have just said the play station 3. Other companies don't wank their own ego like that. Other companies don't come out with press statements like this saying "Nuh-uh we did it FIRST! Nintendo is a mean liar! Wahhhhh!". Lets not mention other companies don't put fucking rootkits onto their audio CDs and expect no one to notice. Then react with general surprise when they find out it's illegal.

They're detached from reality.

Other companies? What other companies? Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and say that other companies don't do [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352-Microsoft-Rep-Slams-PS3-and-Killzone-2] this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.117913] crap? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4]

Ah... it's one thing to put up sales figures and point out that you're ahead... it's another thing entirely to make a completely pretentious claim that honestly has no concrete evidence, nor do I agree with it.

 

[AvsJoe]

I still say that the Wii was responsible for ushering games into the mainstream. Sure, the under-35 year olds have been gaming since it's inception, but the Wii really got a much broader audience gaming. But I'm not dissing the PS2. It's the best system I've ever owned, hands down, in my less-than-humble opinion.

i agree, i suppose. but in the end, who really cares about who brought gaming into the mainstream.

They do. It makes for good publicity and bragging rights.

 

[A Raging Emo]

Being an XBox fanboy, I hate to admit this, but Sony did make gaming very mainstream (As in, they had games for the PS2 that were for casual gamers, like Singstar, and games for more Hardcore gamers, aswell).

However, I do think that gaming was mainstream waaaaaay before the PS2 - It was mainstream before the Gameboy!

 

[Weaver]

Other companies? What other companies? Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and say that other companies don't do [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352-Microsoft-Rep-Slams-PS3-and-Killzone-2] this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.117913] crap? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4]

However, at least Microsoft slammed Sony AFTER NDP figures were released, and Nintendo's claim was extrapolated from their install base statistics, that they feel with the amount of consoles they have installed they could outsell Halo. This wasn't an "in your FACE!!!!!" act from them. Sony's statements that "we're the best gaming platform in the universe ever" and "we did it first" has no merit, statistics, evidence or actual point to the claims besides "pay attention to us!".

I still don't see other record labels installing rootkits on people's machines.

 

[silentsentinel]

The Super Nintendo was the first mainstream. Everyone played the old Mario,

 

[Jumplion]

Ah... it's one thing to put up sales figures and point out that you're ahead... it's another thing entirely to make a completely pretentious claim that honestly has no concrete evidence, nor do I agree with it.

You're point being? You can't possibly sit there with a straight face and say that Sony is any different from every other damn company out there, and I do believe that Kaz has a point that the PS2 did help with the "mainstream" or whatever.

And last I checked, the PS2 is kind of ahead [http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=Wii&reg2=All&cons3=DS&reg3=All&weeks=400]. And I do believe Kaz was using sales figures;

"The most successful console is still the PS2 and it's still going strong."

They deserve as much bragging rights and Nintendo has for their DS.

 

[Jurassic Rob]

Another petty arguement by two huge companies!

 

[The Austin]

I thought Arcades brought gaming into mainstream.

They did, sony and nintindo just suck.

 

[nova18]

True enough, allot of microsoft fanboys owned a PS2.

Not a lot of people seem to remember this.
Everyone seems to think that Xbox and PS2 were both running an even race in the console war, yet anyone had the PS2 from the start knows that the XBOX turned up way too late and that the PS2 was already on route to being the most successful console ever created.

I dont see why everyone is having a go at this statement, we've seen stories about Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo, stroking their egos and flaming their rivals, yet Sony is the one that takes the majority of the insults.

It has sold consoles in a lot of different countries.
It has about 2000 games, with a lot of games aimed at a casual gaming market.
Its been nearly 10 years since it was released, yet it is still consistently selling well.

All he's saying is: The Wii isnt the first console to make gaming more mainstream, because the PS2 has been doing it since 2000. A lot of you are under the impression that arcade cabinets, the NES and the Playstation did this as well, but up until 2000, gaming had no where near the exposure that has had in the 21st century. Look at the influx of gaming publications since then, the diversity of the games being released, the crop of developers that started focusing on the casual market instead of the niche market of serious gamers.

People need to remember that the Wii isnt the messiah of gaming, it aims at a casual market, we all know that. But the sales speak differently, Sony has sold nearly triple (138 million) the number of Wii's sold worldwide. How can a console that has been sold to millions of different homes across the globe not be said to have hit the mainstream?

I usually wouldnt post something like this, but the level of sheer arrogance and conformity on these forums when it comes to Sony news stories has really put me off using the site lately.

 

[Jumplion]

Other companies? What other companies? Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and say that other companies don't do [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90352-Microsoft-Rep-Slams-PS3-and-Killzone-2] this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.117913] crap? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4]

However, at least Microsoft slammed Sony AFTER NDP figures were released, and Nintendo's claim was extrapolated from their install base statistics, that they feel with the amount of consoles they have installed they could outsell Halo. This wasn't an "in your FACE!!!!!" act from them. Sony's statements that "we're the best gaming platform in the universe ever" and "we did it first" has no merit, statistics, evidence or actual point to the claims besides "pay attention to us!".

I still don't see other record labels installing rootkits on people's machines.

wait wait wait wait wait, you're telling me that this;

"Xbox continues to head north while the PS3 is heading south. We're gaining share."

"If that content was sold at retail, it would be one of the best sellers across all platforms," he added. "It would have outsold Killzone 2."

And especially this;

"... with the PS3 business declining, it's been described to me as hemorrhaging at retail right now, and it just keeps getting worse."

Isn't "In yo FACE BIZNATCH!!#$!#"? Lost and Damned was a $15 DLC, of course it's going to sell better than a just released $60 game.

And please, don't make me bring the graph [http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS3&reg1=All&cons2=&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=150] of the PS3 selling at a higher rate than the 360.

And guess what? The PS2 is kind of is the best console out there [http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=&reg2=All&cons3=&reg3=All&weeks=400], sales wise at least (I could go on and on about games like Shadow of the Collosus and ICO, but those are more opinionated than actual sales figures).

 

[Zer_]

Ah... it's one thing to put up sales figures and point out that you're ahead... it's another thing entirely to make a completely pretentious claim that honestly has no concrete evidence, nor do I agree with it.

You're point being? You can't possibly sit there with a straight face and say that Sony is any different from every other damn company out there, and I do believe that Kaz has a point that the PS2 did help with the "mainstream" or whatever.

And last I checked, the PS2 is kind of ahead [http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PS2&reg1=All&cons2=Wii&reg2=All&cons3=DS&reg3=All&weeks=400]. And I do believe Kaz was using sales figures;

"The most successful console is still the PS2 and it's still going strong."

I like how both the Wii and DS have been rising faster then the PS2... And no, Sony isn't different from any other company, they just have terrible PR. If Nintendo was to claim that the Wii is revolutionizing the industry, I'd also call them out on the bullshit... Granted if they made the same claim for the DS then there's one instance I'd actually agree with them. At least in the mobile games field.

Despite the fact that the PS2 sold consistently well, the console didn't single handedly bring gaming to the mainstream, that is a ridiculous claim no matter which way you put it. Quite frankly I think other medias such as Television, Movies and Music have actually done more for bringing gaming to the mainstream.

 

[scotth266]

Hey guys? Asteroids wants a word with you outside.

[HEADING=1]OH SNAP![/HEADING]

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I think he's got a point. Other consoles before it helped, but I'd say that the PS2 really brought it through. However, I'd also say that it was with help from the Gameboy Colour at the same time.

 

[BonerMacTittyPants]

Wii Didn't Bring Gamning Inot the Mainstream, PS2 Did...

...DUH!

So after 9 years of Sony has realised what console they're still selling?
I mean wasn't it the console that made gaming "cool"? I even live in a country where the term "gaming console" is synonymous for PlayStation 2.

Are they so isolated from the real world they hadn't realised it earlier?

Sony, we know you want to feel important. The Xbox360 is taking PS2's throne, and that's that. Please stop acting like a brat pointing obivious things. Nintendo, with the Wii never claimed that it brought gaming into the mainstream. All it can claim is that it brings casual gamers to the console market.