SOPA Storms Back

Metalrocks

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damn, and for a moment i thought its over and these guys will have a come back in a few months or so. i guess these politicians have to push harder to stop SOPA.
i hope wikipedia will not stay too long black. i sure need it a lot. have to tell my parents too, since they use wiki as well.
damn you SOPA...
 

Saika Renegade

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Sadly, I figured they would do something like this. Politicians won't realize that it's not a good idea until they see that common people are willing to cooperate to not just oppose but crush support for the bill and its kin. As with GoDaddy, successful repulsion of this bill requires that its supporters be forced to visibly suffer economically.
 

Beautiful End

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Hehehe, I'm glad there are no annoying members talking about the awesomeness and/or lameness of SOPA. *Sigh of relief*

Well, at least now tomorrow's blackouts will have a meaning. I was wondering yesterday if they would still carry through even after SOPA was apparently done for. Oh, well. I suppose I could join them and not use the internet for a day or something.

Eh, well. I'm afraid of SOPA because it's so crazy, it might actually become a law. But...the small amount of fate I have on the human race tells me to hope for the best, which is for SOPA to rot and die soon.

Fun fact: SOPA means soup in Spanish.
 

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Dear American government. Do take off and stop meddling in the affairs of the Inter-tube citizens and custodians. We like the way things are being done now. It's in good balance.

Signed,
The Internet.
 

Therumancer

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Well, the Foreign Theives bit does make sense given that it's a big issue today with nations like China and even Brazil (which The Escapist did an article on called "Nation Of Pirates" at one point if I remember). The thing is that when it comes to patents, copyrights, and IPs and the big business of knockoffs and outright theft... well video games are small potatoes compared to the actual physical theft for profit business where you have sweatshops knocking off things like designer jeans and passing them off as the real thing, not to mention the whole issue with drugs and medicine. Viagra being one paticularly noteworthy example largely because it's a product used by almost every sexually active man on the planet at one time or another, by the old to regain performance, and by the young (and porn industry) to enhance performance and "hold the wood" so to speak. Despite being manufactured in the western world very little of the profit from that drug has gone into western coffers, largely because the eastern world spearheaded by China (which is hardly alone) have knocked it off and distributed it causing the loss of trillions upon trillions of dollars in tax revenues. The countries with the biggest stake being France and the US as those are the big nations Pfizers (Multinational French company) has it's primary contracts with. While it was doubtlessly exagerrating there was an article I read once talking about how Viagra alone would have solved the US's deficit and probably rendered it and France the two wealthiest nations on Earth had they reaped the benefits through Pfizers. This is based on the idea of a stranglehold of a product with a high demand which hey would have charged the intended
price for, coming down to something like a quarter per pill in the hands of the US. The thing is that the countries knocking it off lowered the prices substantially to undercut the creators given no costs to recoup. One has to take it with a grain of salt but the basic arguement being that it's the drug that build a lot of the major asian powers through knockoffs and created the springboard for a lot of their recent success. The compelling arguements being made about how it's almost a household product globally nowadays, bought by almost every guy covertly through the internet or whatever at one time or another. Some might have heard jokes about a "Boner Tax" that kind of originated with this article because of the points made about the goverment's cut on drugs especially those that don't have a valid usage for treating a serious illnes.

To get back on the subject, the point of that entire rant is that a lot of money is involved here through issues that have nothing to do with video games or purely intellecual properties but involve the same areas of law. Something like SOPA is meaningless internationally because the narions that are problems refuse to follow US laws... and with the money being made, why should they? Bills like SOPA amount to saying "stop, or we'll write another piece of paper and ask you to stop again". As much as people, especially on the leftward side of the political spectrum, hate it, the only way to stop someone from something that is in their own best interests, in pursuit of your own, is to force them. In the final equasion most wars come down to trade and economics, and honestly I think we're heading towards a very big one... with all the reasons why people say we can't fight ("owning" money to China, trade, etc...) being exactly the reasons why the war is going to happen and be so nasty.

To use China as an example even though it's not the only offender, understand that it's what some call a "neo barbarian" nation. That is to say that while it has SOME advanced technology and huge, modern cities, rivaling anything elsewhere in the world, not to mention an increasingly advanced military and space program, it's also a nation where people LITERALLY live like they are in the dark ages in staggering numbers, diseases like SARS got started from people living with their own livestock. China innovates very little on it's own, as a culture it kind of intentionally stifles creativity (very little does not mean nothing however), Chinese trade is based almost entirely on taking the ideas from other cultures, exploiting it's wretched underclass, and producing knockoffs which it sells back to those cultures. If China was to stop doing this it would literally have nothing to trade, it's robber economy would collapse and the entire nation would pretty much collapse to absolute squalor. The situation is nasty because there is really very little of a middle ground, China can't help but prop up this system which is what has allowed them to build and maintain their military and those previously mentioned modern cities.

All of this stuff about protecting American ideas pretty much amounts to nothing since even if you make things less conveinent for the users, the problem is still going to persist. I mean all you need is one guy with legal access to something that can be duplicated who sends it back to China or another similar nation (using the postal service if nothing else) and it will be knocked off if there is money to be made. The kind of issues SOPA largely addresses really aren't the kinds that come with the threat of foreign trade.

In the end SOPA is a piece of garbage, and the scare tactics used to sell it are ridiculous. Some problems can't be resolved without a major war. No piece of paper is going to get a bunch of people to consign themselves universally to abject poverty for the benefit of someone else.

That's my thoughts on the matter. Honestly, I'm surprised they resurrected SOPA so quickly under any pretense.

One problem with US law is that there is nothing that prevents a law or set of ideas from being brought up again and again until it finally succeeds. Meaning that with things like this even if SOPA is defeated it just means the same thing will come along carried by another piece of paper. I think the US needs a mechanism to rule permanantly on certain things to prevent lawmakers and lobbyists from keeping them alive until they get through due to persistance if nothing else. Today it's SOBA tomorrow it's SOPA replacing Piracy with Buccneneers in the name to claim it's a differant bill. That's sort of like trying a guy multiple times for the same crime until he's found guilty which is forbidden.
 

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Quick question: anyone else in the past few years, at some point or another for some reason or another, wanted to laugh maniacally while watching the Capital Building burn? What with the economy and such, one would sincerely think that American politicians have much more important things to fix than policing the fucking internet.
 

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FML. I understood that it would strike back ¬.¬ but this fucking soon!? Bullshit. I doubt it will be passed though there won't be enough time to adjust the bill to make it work (moslty because it can't work).

(if the Bill is passed)
I imagine Lamar Smith will go home go to his Windows 98 computer open up a new tab on his version 5 internet explorer go on a website and have it blocked under his own bill.

back to reality:
What's anonymous doing about this? I'm sure they'll save the day...no really, I want anonymous to kill congress with fiery internet justice (although it may just worsen the whole situation)
 

Glerken

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Yowsa said:
SOPA "protected American jobs" they say. Is Google not an American company. Is FaceBook not an American company. how many time have you posted some type of copyrighted content or link to copyrighted content to a forum or FaceBook
Copyrighted content can be posted with reason. That's called fair use, and I'm quite sure SOPA doesn't abolish fair use.

I'd appreciate not getting quoted a million times about why SOPA is bad. I never said I supported it.

Rule Britannia said:
FML. I understood that it would strike back ¬.¬ but this fucking soon!? Bullshit. I doubt it will be passed though there won't be enough time to adjust the bill to make it work (moslty because it can't work).

(if the Bill is passed)
I imagine Lamar Smith will go home go to his Windows 98 computer open up a new tab on his version 5 internet explorer go on a website and have it blocked under his own bill.

back to reality:
What's anonymous doing about this? I'm sure they'll save the day...no really, I want anonymous to kill congress with fiery internet justice (although it may just worsen the whole situation)
Just wondering. How would they do that. I don't think you can DDOS Congress. People could actually go protest and write their congressmen with their concerns about the bill. But it's much easier to just complain about how bad it is on a gaming forum.

And I'm quite sure Obama said he'd veto the bill even if it did pass. Why is this still an issue?
 

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And the fact the "blackout" has turned into a few houses turning out their lights wont help.

(Reuters) - A blackout scheduled for Wednesday to protest against proposed legislation on online piracy has failed to get the support of the biggest Internet players.
source [http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/18/us-internet-protest-idUSTRE80H01U20120118]

Facebook and twitter are not going to be playing as spreading the word, gotta get that money while they can I suppose.
 

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Leave it to the Republicans to be so egomaniacal that they don't take Obama's veto threat seriously. We'll see who has the last laugh.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
"Due to the Republican and Democratic retreats taking place over the next two weeks, markup of the Stop Online Piracy Act is expected to resume in February," he continued. "I am committed to continuing to work with my colleagues in the House and Senate to send a bipartisan bill to the White House that saves American jobs and protects intellectual property."
That there boys and girls is what people in the political field call "spin". If you take that quote at face value you would be incredibly sadly mistaken. As a public service I will translate the above message.

*ahem* "Well ya see, right now we don't have enough support to get this fucking thing out of the committee phase, never mind a full up or down vote. However, because the entertainment industry has a whole fucking lot of money we are going to take the next few weeks to pester the well thinking members of The House about possibly changing their stance on the issue in exchange for sexual favors or gifts of bacon. Although this will likely produce no results we have to give it the ole college try lest our big piles o money from the entertainment lobbyists dry up. We hope you understand. . . . . . .P.S. America! Fuck Yeah!"
 

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The Cool Kid said:
Fantastic. It'd be nice if the entertainment industry justly got all the revenue it deserves whilst just asking for billion dollar empires to be more proactive in the fight against piracy. Maybe the internet is a tame-able beast?

Hardcore_gamer said:
What jobs is he talking about? Won't SOPA destory all kinds of jobs like some of the ones people on the escapist have?
Nope it won't destroy anything that isn't infringing on copyright. The Bill is so tightly worded that it really can only be used against torrent sites, tv show links and so on. Forums, youtube and so on will be safe; people just want you to believe they aren't and hope you haven't read the bill for yourself.
Ok so how about you make a tread translating what the entire bill says into normal language because I'm sure I'm not the only who can hardly understand those things due to how they're worded. You keep saying it's worded well but never say how and with references to the bill. If you want people on side then explain to them, don't just get angry at people for not believing you when you give them no reason to. I really hope you're right but there's a hell of a lot of people saying you aren't.

OT: That sure didn't take long. I guess all those blackouts are going ahead then? Or was this part of the plan to catch them off guard so they don't protest?
 

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Solo-Wing said:
EvilChameleon said:
Good lord, time to move to England.
Or up here in Canada! We are always welcoming refugees!
It'll be just like the days of the Draft Dodgers all over again. Welcome to the land of the beaver and home of the hockey stick my American friends.
 

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Isn't it funny that there's no way this bill would go anywhere if he didn't make mention of "saving jobs"? It's a complete lie of course, but that's the reason it's even gotten any attention. If it can save jobs, people will listen. Unfortunately, many can't see through the bullshit.
 

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Xanthious said:
Andy Chalk said:
"Due to the Republican and Democratic retreats taking place over the next two weeks, markup of the Stop Online Piracy Act is expected to resume in February," he continued. "I am committed to continuing to work with my colleagues in the House and Senate to send a bipartisan bill to the White House that saves American jobs and protects intellectual property."
That there boys and girls is what people in the political field call "spin". If you take that quote at face value you would be incredibly sadly mistaken. As a public service I will translate the above message.

*ahem* "Well ya see, right now we don't have enough support to get this fucking thing out of the committee phase, never mind a full up or down vote. However, because the entertainment industry has a whole fucking lot of money we are going to take the next few weeks to pester the well thinking members of The House about possibly changing their stance on the issue in exchange for sexual favors or gifts of bacon. Although this will likely produce no results we have to give it the ole college try lest our big piles o money from the entertainment lobbyists dry up. We hope you understand. . . . . . .P.S. America! Fuck Yeah!"
Read that in the Southern accent it was probably expected to be read in.

Many thanks for brightening mah mood, good sir.
 

maswell

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Is that guy out to lunch? SOPA will KILL jobs. I'm not american but for pete's sake, start writing letters people!!!
 

Marudas

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I'm fuming enough volatile hatred towards these senators at this point that I'm surprised they haven't burst into flames at the thoughts alone.

None of this makes sense. Firstly, SOPA does nothing to protect IP or "American Jobs", the piracy will continue, we'll simply have handed alot of stupid Businesses a very absurd weapon for their legal divisions to use. If anything, it'll kill American jobs when Youtube, Facebook and other like internet businesses get sued out of existence. And lets not forget that the censorship is completely circumventable.

But the part that really gets me is the "Foreign Thieves" part. A huge portion of the downloading that supports and drives the piracy is done by people here in America. This is pure, 100% distilled congress bullshit. They're using select words to try to manipulate a result. What the Congressman meant to say was "Me and my friends in this corrupt system of government haven't quite situated our retirement plans yet, so we decided to pull SOPA off the shelf so the sanctioned, Legalized bribing can continue." That's all this is about. That's all most of our legislation is about these days. I only wonder when people will say enough and throw this circus of a government out on their asses.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
SOPA will pass and then be repealed after the consequences are fully realized. Did anyone expect it to be completely gone?
I think you're pretty optimistic. But I knew it was coming back.

...I just didn't expect it to rise in a day.
Once Google relocates, felonies among 18-25 years olds skyrocket, and it brings about several lengthy (and expensive) court battles/challenges they will see how much they fucked up.
Sort of like this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNy_GNWwhQk]?