Sorry, Mass Effect 3 complainers

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MeChaNiZ3D said:
Appearance customisation wasn't that good, animation was at points unexpectedly bad, the class system was alright actually, I'll give them that, but no points for cover based shooting with the Force involved. The dialogue and assurance that choices mattered was really the only other thing I played the game for.
Speaking of the animation, I had a weird bug where in some cutscenes/conversations, Garrus (and only Garrus) would be invisible. Throws you off your stride a bit when everyone keeps addressing comments to empty air...

MeChaNiZ3D said:
tl;dr yes I mad. I don't necessarily think the ending should be changed, I just think that everyone should have a chance to return the game for a full refund.
I dunno about that. I mean, most people seem to have enjoyed the game up until it took a nosedive in the final ten minutes. Seems a bit petty to return a game because you only got 30 hours of fun from it.
 

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Personally I don't think they should change the ending. Don't get me wrong I hated it, but if thats the kind of product they put all their effort into I don't want to be a customer anymore.

I enjoyed the bioware products I had up until the very very ending of ME3. If they turn it around I'll give em another try but as of now I currently avoid bioware products.
 

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SilverBullets000 said:
The "Buy moar DLC, guies!" at the end was definetly the final straw for me, though.
That actually shocked me. I watched through the ending video with the sad/dramatic music, the credits with the epic music, the final scene that tried to remind you just how "legendary" your experience has been, and then...pop. Hey kids, don't forget to buy some stuff! They condensed the entire, trilogy-spanning story into "Shepard beat the Reapers and became a legend".

MeChaNiZ3D said:
Anyway, thank you for apologizing OP. Yes, some people were acting rather spoiled about it, but there were others who were actually trying to be civil and intelligent.
Unfortunately I didn't see many of those guys, as I was trying to avoid spoilers, and the people who went into detail rather than screaming that BioWare were "dirty Jewfags" and such would generally be discussing the plot in detail. As such I was mostly exposed to the ranting dickheads.
 

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Sandytimeman said:
Personally I don't think they should change the ending. Don't get me wrong I hated it, but if thats the kind of product they put all their effort into I don't want to be a customer anymore.

I enjoyed the bioware products I had up until the very very ending of ME3. If they turn it around I'll give em another try but as of now I currently avoid bioware products.
Not sure how they can turn it around without retcons. All they can do is expand on something people hate, but people will likely be just as pissed off about retcons.
 

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Radox Redux said:
Am I the only one who didn't really care about the Catalyst and it's logic? I thought the ending sucked because you arrived at it with no choice/variation having any effect and everybody effectively losing (on an individual level).
That's a big part of the problem, sure.

Radox Redux said:
It undermines the entire series (including the first 95% of ME3), meaning I can never play the games again as anything over than an apathetic nihilist. If the Catalyst's logic and space-magic solution worked fine, it still wouldn't fix that.
Huh. I hadn't thought of that - were BioWare trying to teach us that we are small and insignificant in the scheme of things, and that however hard we work nothing we do will matter? Ouch. Harsh life lessons from a video game!
 

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Don Savik said:
Stop calling it art. STOP. Its a video game.
And video games can be art. It's a little worrying that people still think there's a debate to be had there. There isn't.

Don Savik said:
More importantly, its a product that they're selling. Who the hell cares about artistic integrity? I, as a savy consumer, only care about one thing. MY MONEY and what is important enough to spend it on. If something isn't to my liking, then I'm not buying it. That doesn't mean that things should change for me to buy them, it just means that not everyone is going to appreciate and like the product.

Game doesn't meet my standards so I'm not going to buy it. Why is that anyone elses problem? if you like the game well fine, like it. You already bought it, so Bioware and EA don't give 2 shits about your opinion.
Clearly they do, though. Otherwise they wouldn't be releasing the Extended Cut DLC, would they?

Consumer pressure changes the behaviour of the company selling the product. If they "don't give 2 shits" about loyal customers or making products that people like, then as a company they are going to do poorly. A business which doesn't listen to the consumers at all is a dumb business.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Looks like we had another Andy Chalk here. Don't play Mass Effect 3 but give your opinion anyway, no matter how worthless it is!

Oh well.
Erm...did you not read the OP, or something?
Note the word "had" for your answer.
Duly noted.

I still don't see how not having played the game makes my opinion "worthless", though. I can't comment on the behaviour of others unless I've experienced what they have for myself?
 

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Casual Shinji said:
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Casual Shinji said:
I won't say the series is ruined for me, but it will feel peculiar to play through all 3 games and then turn the third one off 10 minutes before the end to make up my own ending.
I won't lie, I was tempted, but I'm A) a sucker for closure (albeit shitty closure) and B) was really curious as to whether the end could possibly be as bad as people said. Turns out it was half-and-half; it was bad, but not as bad as some people made it out to be. As yet, it has not raped my children, although I'll be keeping an eye on it.
You'd better; There's still ending DLC on the way.
Luckily, I don't have any children. Thinking about it, this may be why the ending hasn't raped them.
 

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Mikeyfell said:
ME 3 thread= Yet another morning shot.
Sorry, you lost me. What's a morning shot?

Mikeyfell said:
I'm afraid for the fix too mostly because I'm not convinced that it couldn't get worse from here.
What I've read about the "fix" is that it's just an expansion/clarification of the ending we've had already. I don't understand how that's meant to be a good thing; we're just going to be given more detail about something that already sucks. They're not changing anything, just telling us why we ought to appreciate what we've got.
 

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boag said:
Let me get this straight, you were complaining about complainers without having actually seen the freaking ending?
Yes. One does not necessarily require the other. I found it surprising that people were acting in such extreme ways as announcing BioWare boycotts, demanding different endings, and spewing vitriol across every message board they could because they didn't like the ending of a game.

Having now played the ending, I have a better understanding of why everyone is so upset. That doesn't mean I approve of the idiotic behaviour some people engaged in, just that I'm more aware of what drove them to it.

boag said:
Well excuse me for rubbing your nose in the dirt now.

You Whiny entitled homophobic brat, the ending is perfect and you cannot questions Biowares Glorious Artistic Integrity
Oh look, an inability to discuss things in an adult fashion. Shocking. No, I'm not going to excuse you for acting like an ass, sorry. And homophobic? Where on earth did you pull that little gem from?
 

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Mcoffey said:
Because the shitstorm was so massive it completely overshadowed any other legitimate criticisms about the game. Can I get an Extended Cut DLC that gives me a Quest Log that actually works please? I only have to deal with a shitty ending for three minutes. That damn journal was a pain in my ass for thirty hours.
Ugh, the quest log. Why did it always go to the middle when you opened it?! Towards the end I had maybe 3 quests left, and every time I went to check them I had to scroll aaaall the way up to the top of the page. Slowly. Not that there was ever much point to checking; they were usually so basic ("An Asari wants something. Go here, get it, then go give it to her". "There are Cerberus guys on this planet. Go shoot them") that it was easier to just run around doing stuff until you spoke to someone and suddenly got some XP and credits.

Or like how, in the primary codex, the entires would be read aloud. That really annoyed me, because trying to read through is a lot harder when there's a really slow voice distracting you. How hard would it be to include a toggle to turn that off?

There were a few problems, but overall it was a solid, enjoyable game. I could overlook the little flaws because it was so compelling. It's just that the ending was slightly more than a little flaw.
 

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Zagzag said:
SonicWaffle said:
The whole controversy has been going on for a while now, regarding whether fans have any right to demand that a game (or any other work of art) ending be changed simply because they didn't like it. I don't think I agree with that. I was firmly on the side of the naysayers, believing that such a thing was just a bit childish, equivalent to stamping your feet because you didn't get what you wanted.
I, and I believe the vast majority of people who disliked the ending are not "demanding" it be changed. This is one thing that people simply do not get. Publicly expressing dislike for something is not the same as demanding that it be "fixed". I would personally like Bioware to change it, but saying this is like saying I would like to be given loads of money for doing nothing. It does not mean that I expect, or feel I have any right to it hapenning.
Sorry, but isn't the point of Take Back/Retake Mass Effect that they demand the ending be changed? That's what it says on their own page.
 

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This is the problem when you give an 'adult' ending to a group of fans aged 15-25. The ending makes perfect sense and fits fine. Go out, live a little, come back 20 years from now and realize you can't actually change the world and all your choices were pretty much meaningless. You'll appreciate what they were trying to convey a whole lot more.
 

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floppylobster said:
This is the problem when you give an 'adult' ending to a group of fans aged 15-25. The ending makes perfect sense and fits fine. Go out, live a little, come back 20 years from now and realize you can't actually change the world and all your choices were pretty much meaningless. You'll appreciate what they were trying to convey a whole lot more.
How horrendously bitter. I'm going to assume, for the sake of my own sanity, that you're joking. If you weren't, there's a big difference between "you can't change the world" and "An extremely charismatic leader with a long track record of achieving what was previously considered impossible can't change the world".

I'm just a dude. I most likely will never have any impact on the world at large, and my choices are meaningless to most people outside my sphere of influence. Commander Shepard is an entirely different matter - his (or her, I suppose, if you're that way inclined) choices do matter, and they do (or should) have major ramifications.
 

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Lyri said:


Hi guys, remember me?
My name is Jim, you may remember me from such promises as "In Fable you can do anything you want!" and "In Fable 2, you can do whatever you want!" and my most popular works "In Fable 3 you can do what you want."
I may have slightly embellished my promises and built a franchise upon lies and disappointment but you guys still kept giving me money.
I only hurt you guys because I love you, I just want to be loved don't you see that? I say these sweet things and whisper promises into your ear and you repay me with adoration.
Oh I can't get enough of your attention, I would create for you and give you tantalising verbiage just so I could feel your warmth.

Your biggest fan,
Jim.
...I don't recall his name being Jim?
 

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Draech said:
My personal counter to those is "What does the kid reading Harry Potter in china think Harry Potter looks like? Probably Asian". We have complete freedom within the framework of set medium, but that doesn't it extends outside that.
Why would Asian kids assume that an English kid would be Asian? Ignoring the fact that they're more likely to picture Daniel Radcliffe, and that on most editions there are pictures of a speccy white kid on the cover, it doesn't really follow that they'd picture the hero as looking like them. If I read a book about an Asian person in China, I don't imagine them looking like me.
 

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Darkmantle said:
honestly, this is tangentially related, I REALLY think they should go with the Indoctrination theory in their extended DLC.

From my time as a DM I have learned something very valuable, if your players come up with a much better and more interesting explanation or theory than yours, FUCKING STEAL IT. Pass it off as your own, they will never know! Take that ***** and RUN WITH IT!

Obviously I personally think the Indoctrination theory is awesome, so call me biased, but I think it would be an absolutely brilliant mechanic, the game would be indoctrinating not only the character, but also the PLAYER, that's amazing!
Indoctrination isn't the players theory though. In that final hours thing it says BW were planning on Shepard becoming indoctrinated at the end and the player losing control of his body. But they said it turned out to be too complex to implement and so didn't do it, which is probably why the indoctrination theory makes so much sense - they didnt bother changing the rest of the game to fit the new ending.