Sounds like trump is planning on nominating someone named Amy Coney Barrett to the supreme court.

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Your primary concern right now should be the people looting the coffers who actually WANTED people to be fore closed on so they could profit, installing people who rule in favor of banks over the people and making it so you can't prosecute them for any crime's they commit.

Having experts trying to come up with a solutions to help save as many lives as possible and having a court who will allow us to do so would be a massive improvement over what we have going right now. I am hoping democrats are able to restructure the courts the second they are able to do so to get rid of this mess so we can actually build something better.
I would not expect someone with guaranteed upper class income for life and comes from an elite background, often graduating from Harvard, to have any clue what I need in my life. I didn't vote for them. They are not "experts" on my needs and I absolutely do not want to hear from them any more than I absolutely have to. I hope to hear less from a Justice Barret than I did from, say, an Earl Warren.
 

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I would not expect someone with guaranteed upper class income for life and comes from an elite background, often graduating from Harvard, to have any clue what I need in my life. I didn't vote for them. They are not "experts" on my needs and I absolutely do not want to hear from them any more than I absolutely have to. I hope to hear less from a Justice Barret than I did from, say, an Earl Warren.
SO you're instead saying that Biden would better understand where you come from? Trump is who came from wealth, bribed and conned his way through education, and bought whatever he wanted. Even lost his Daddy's money so his Daddy gave him more and never had to earn anything in his life and is only an expert in scamming people.. Biden came from a middle class family who struggled and had to move into a multi family home to survive after losing their home. He had to actually earn what he has, which is till less than most in DC.

We want EXPERTS because experts are who are capable of accurately predicting how to end poverty, homelessness, and the other issues impacting most Americans right now. What we don't want is con artists screwing the American people over to " get theirs" and get out screwing everyone over in the process, as we have now.
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...nR266hSMelxs7yj94cIc6VAmqJXfvdG_qGViamXrH4-w8

"Barrett, a textualist who was working for a textualist, Justice Antonin Scalia, had the ability to bring logic and order to disorder and complexity. You can’t be a good textualist without that, since textualism insists that the law can be understood without reference to legislative history or the aims and context of the statute. "
And if we go by Scalia, we can add the text itself to that list of items that won't stop a textualist from ruling based on their political opinion.
 

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I would not expect someone with guaranteed upper class income for life and comes from an elite background, often graduating from Harvard, to have any clue what I need in my life.
They don't need to know: they were born and bred to believe it was their right to rule over proles like you and me.
 
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SO you're instead saying that Biden would better understand where you come from? Trump is who came from wealth, bribed and conned his way through education, and bought whatever he wanted. Even lost his Daddy's money so his Daddy gave him more and never had to earn anything in his life and is only an expert in scamming people.. Biden came from a middle class family who struggled and had to move into a multi family home to survive after losing their home. He had to actually earn what he has, which is till less than most in DC.

We want EXPERTS because experts are who are capable of accurately predicting how to end poverty, homelessness, and the other issues impacting most Americans right now. What we don't want is con artists screwing the American people over to " get theirs" and get out screwing everyone over in the process, as we have now.
I think these "experts" built death camps, gulags and killing fields. They are not anyone you should be listening to.
 

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I think these "experts" built death camps, gulags and killing fields. They are not anyone you should be listening to.
I don't think you need to go communist to alleviate the above issues.
 

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And if we go by Scalia, we can add the text itself to that list of items that won't stop a textualist from ruling based on their political opinion.
As a recent example: https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/863498848/supreme-court-delivers-major-victory-to-lgbtq-employees

The text is clear: no discrimination based on sex. If you fire a dude for being married to a dude but don't fire a gal for being married to a dude, that's sex discrimination.

And yet, look at the dissenting opinions
 
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Many people on this forum disagree.
I'm mean, it real easy to defeat communists. Just pay workers a decent and fair amount for their production. A lot of the issue arise because of one problem. Capitalists could have defeated them a long time ago but decided they needed another billion to spend on nothing productive. I'd point to 1848 and the general strike and how England didn't get riots etc while many countries on the continent had kings on the run
 

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Honestly, the USA should just break-up. It's the way things are going, so get started. As we can see in the UK, and have seen elsewhere in places, what looks solid can collapse incredibly quickly once such ideas take root.

The Republicans say, even overtly, "We have the power, so fuck you." Trump, dragging almost the entire Republican party with him, has made an entire electoral platform out of contempt for his opponents, even openly trying to defund and disadvantage Democratic cities and states. In response, progressives have become increasingly discontented, vocal and radical. Political discourse is toxic, with nothing but getting one over domestic opponents as the priority.

Why accept the authority of the Senate, when 30% of the population has 70% of the Senate seats, and they tend to vote Republican thus locking in minority rule? What is the point where a wealthy state of 40 million people decides it's fed up being told what to do by half a dozen states with a combined population a tenth the size? Why accept a system where electoral college votes are so out of sync with populations, again leading to minority support presidents that are so hostile to the losing states? Why allow these other minority population states, through these mechanisms, to so clearly stack your own courts against you?

The centre will not hold, so it's time to divide. Start accepting that the USA in this condition is a dead end and get your secession movements going, guys.
 

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Honestly, the USA should just break-up. It's the way things are going, so get started. As we can see in the UK, and have seen elsewhere in places, what looks solid can collapse incredibly quickly once such ideas take root.

The Republicans say, even overtly, "We have the power, so fuck you." Trump, dragging almost the entire Republican party with him, has made an entire electoral platform out of contempt for his opponents, even openly trying to defund and disadvantage Democratic cities and states. In response, progressives have become increasingly discontented, vocal and radical. Political discourse is toxic, with nothing but getting one over domestic opponents as the priority.

Why accept the authority of the Senate, when 30% of the population has 70% of the Senate seats, and they tend to vote Republican thus locking in minority rule? What is the point where a wealthy state of 40 million people decides it's fed up being told what to do by half a dozen states with a combined population a tenth the size? Why accept a system where electoral college votes are so out of sync with populations, again leading to minority support presidents that are so hostile to the losing states? Why allow these other minority population states, through these mechanisms, to so clearly stack your own courts against you?

The centre will not hold, so it's time to divide. Start accepting that the USA in this condition is a dead end and get your secession movements going, guys.
LOL you would have to separate all the cities from the states. The cities are all democrats and the rural is all republican. The fiercest fighting is actually from within the states themselves due to the electoral college and gerrymandering undermining democracy in their winner take all system meant to suppress the urban centers. How do you " split up anything" when the democrats who built their cities and population centers are not just going to hand them over? It's theirs they earned it, why let some county bumpkins take all their hard work? Separating the nation by states doesn't work when the fighting is WITHIN the states themselves and the reason this is as bad as it is. It is Rural vs Urban in just about every state instead of state vs state.
People mistakenly see the federal politics as being all there is to it. Take a closer look at the state maps themselves. Separating them by states only makes the fighting worse, not better.
 
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LOL you would have to separate all the cities from the states. The cities are all democrats and the rural is all republican. The fiercest fighting is actually from within the states themselves due to the electoral college and gerrymandering undermining democracy in their winner take all system meant to suppress the urban centers.
You really don't.

If you look at any independence movement, there are different distributions of pro and anti in different areas, but it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter if 70% of California's population is being dictated to by Alabamas but those Alabamans have the same views as California's 30% rural minority, the simple fact is that California will better decide for itself if Alabama is cut out of the equation.
 
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I think these "experts" built death camps, gulags and killing fields.
You would, of course, be obviously wrong, for any reasonable definition of the word "these". When reality makes it difficult to support Trump et al, you are allowed to abandon Trump, rather than reality.
 

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You would, of course, be obviously wrong, for any reasonable definition of the word "these". When reality makes it difficult to support Trump et al, you are allowed to abandon Trump, rather than reality.
Pol Pot was not just some boy next door. He was a "privileged" member of his society. And he helped murder about 1 out of every 3 of his fellow citizens. I'd rather protect my liberty and make my own choices in life than let someone like that decide whether or not they think me disposable.
 

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Pol Pot was not just some boy next door. He was a "privileged" member of his society. And he helped murder about 1 out of every 3 of his fellow citizens. I'd rather protect my liberty and make my own choices in life than let someone like that decide whether or not they think me disposable.
Oh, so we shouldn't put people in power because they are privileged? Good idea, maybe we should go for merit instead, and listen to, I don't know, experts, instead.

The GOP is made up of privileged members of society, and they've decided you are disposable.

(And Pol Pot was famous for killing off educated people, into which category experts generally fall, so you're not making the point you think you're making there)
 

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Oh, so we shouldn't put people in power because they are privileged? Good idea, maybe we should go for merit instead, and listen to, I don't know, experts, instead.

The GOP is made up of privileged members of society, and they've decided you are disposable.

(And Pol Pot was famous for killing off educated people, into which category experts generally fall, so you're not making the point you think you're making there)
There is a huge difference between learning from someone that is educated, and letting them treat you like property, making all of your choices for you. I'm writing, to the extent possible, I'll make my own choices about me myself, thank you.

A less activist court, which is what I think we are going to get, will allow for this more than one that hallucinates its preferences into law.
 
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There is a huge difference between learning from someone that is educated, and letting them treat you like property, making all of your choices for you. I'm writing, to the extent possible, I'll make my own choices about me myself, thank you.

A less activist court, which is what I think we are going to get, will allow for this more than one that hallucinates its preferences into law.
Scalia (who you have said Barrett will follow) was objectively one of the most activist judges to be in the Supreme Court in recent history. His brand of textualism was nothing more than an excuse to cover his rulings which was thrown away at the first instance it was in the way of following his personal beliefs.

Pro-tip: Just because you disagree with a ruling doesn't make the judge activist and vice-versa.
 

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Scalia (who you have said Barrett will follow) was objectively one of the most activist judges to be in the Supreme Court in recent history. His brand of textualism was nothing more than an excuse to cover his rulings which was thrown away at the first instance it was in the way of following his personal beliefs.

Pro-tip: Just because you disagree with a ruling doesn't make the judge activist and vice-versa.
I can like the results of a ruling, like, for instance, Roe, but still call shenanigans on it. They made it up.

EDIT: ITMT I'm trying to read up on criticism of activism by Scalia. This so far but it's pretty weak so far. Basically argues that thinking laws mean something is activism. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/antonin-scalia-judicial-a_b_9292252
 
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hmm.

Just pay workers a decent and fair amount for their production.
But then there would be no profit!

A less activist court, which is what I think we are going to get, will allow for this more than one that hallucinates its preferences into law.
A less 'activist' court is likely to allow the government to be more intrusive on your personal decisions, not less. For example, the right of privacy recognized by Roe v. Wade protects people from government intrusion whatever you want to say about there being such a right in the Constitution or not. For all the talk of 'hallucinating preferences into law', an inactive court will allow the legislative and executive branches to simply write their preferences into law regardless of the Constitution.
 
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