Space Marine Gets Invaded by Chaos this August
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To clarify I only said their numbers fell under strength after the horus heresy and they went to see Bile to sort out their problems.Scorched_Cascade said:
It was the whole "every csm is an unstoppable god that has been waging war for 10 millenia" image I seeked to challenge.
Of those legions you mentioned the only one who might have a majority of hh vets would be the thousand sons due to their curse, but that same curse means they can't really exploit their experience to their full advantage.
Black legion, Worldbearers, Iron warriors,Night Lords , Emperors Children and well, just about every other chaos chapter have been getting a lot of new blood since the HH, so the 10 000 year old vets are no longer the standard troopers, the HH vets either having been killed off long ago or risen in status since then.
So yah, don't get me wrong, not saying chaos legions are in danger of having manpower problems anytime soon xD Chao legions are well provided with personel and gear, they have all they need.
Also kinda agree with this viewpoint
If any race can be considered "good" it's the orks. They are free of bias beyond green is better and red ones go faster, they do not explicitly seek to wipe out other races nor do they hold hatreds, they also lack the xenophobia and paranoia other races have.Engarde said:
They are willing to fight for anyone giving the right price, and will be honorable in their dealings until its conclusion (once the job is up though.... Then they might decide to fight you for fun).
So yes, those football hooligans are not only the "good guys" of 40k, but they are also it's greatest hope against necrons (whom they were made to fight against), nids (inquisition uses orks to slow down the nids) and whatever horror still lurks in the stars, for orks are made for winnin
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EMAIL RELIC WITH THIS BRILLIANCE IMMEDIATELY!
My Armor is Contempt
My Shield is Disgust
My Sword is Hatred
In The Emperor's Name LET NONE SURVIVE!
SPACE MARINES ATTACK!
Plenty do, Eisenhorn had his psionic-null girlfriend despite being uncomfortable around her. I think (though I could be remembering it wrong) that his apprentice Ravenor does also, sort of. He's confined to a heavily fortified "wheel chair" (think of what Professor X would be like if crossed with Wild Card's "The Great and Powerful Turtle") and uses his psionic powers to "ride along" in his agents and I think he uses some of them for sex with their consent, though it was never described in detail.Namewithheld said:
The Inquisitor from "Inquisition War" (the name eludes me off the top of my head) had his shapechanging Assasin girlfriend.
Honestly, I think the big issue is that 99% of the Warhammer 40k stuff revolves around the military units, as opposed to what's going on with a lot of the other elements. Decadence is supposed to be at an all time high, even without the influance of chaos, but rarely does anyone want to go there.
Also, other than some she-demons popping up once in a while, the existance of Slaanesh is by and large overlooked in favor of the more martial chaos enemies or those with disgusting manifestations. I suspect a lot of it is that violence is easier to get away with than sex, and it's better left to flavorful back text or implication. A massive lesbian S&M orgy involving Sisters of Battle who have sworn off all men but the emperor but indulge in that technicality might gives some people the wrong impression about the game, yet I seem to remember that's an issue with SOME sects (but not all). Indeed it's that kind of decadence in various arms of the goverment (including the religious aspects) and nobility that gives Slaanesh such a foothold, and is supposed to give that power sort of a leg up in setting up conspiricies and turning various units against the good guys. Groups like The Inquisition, and Space Marines are however relatively shielded from this due to very careful self control or keeping themselves cloistered. Although Inquisitors have their moments as there is that entire "Radical" movement (which is hardly wrong in how it behaves when you look at the big picture) that gets up to some wierd stuff (while totally non-sexual, Eisenhorn had command of Cherubael and actually used him at the end of his trilogy as a solid example of a Renegade).
Honestly though, I'm somewhat disappointed by them deciding to do a Space Marine shooter, I say this only because like with most things the liscence is late to the party, and other shooters have been ripping off "Warhammer 40k" to some extent for a long time now. Seeing the inspiration for some of the other games in it's true form might be interesting, but right now it's just going to be an "also ran" with all the heroes that are collectively referred to as space marines along with these guys.
While I'm a big fan of the "Dawn Of War" computer games, and think they are solid, they were a long time in coming, and sadly invite a lot of comparisons to a lot of other similar games. Ironically the Blizzard "Warcraft" franchise began as a Warhammer game, but Games Workshop said no, but allowed them to keep developing it, hence the similarities (as far as I've heard), this later springboarded into Starcraft as well. "Dawn Of War" is awesome as a series, but does it have the following "Starcraft" does? Will it ever come out of that game's shadow?
Honestly, looking at their recent PnP RPGs based around the Inquisition and Rogue Traders, I've been of the opinion that with Bioware going increasingly towards the casual market, they might have the oppertunity to do some serious CRPGs They have a solid game engine to work with, and honestly I think using D20 mechanics (from when WoTC was producing Star Wars games) was part of what really helped "Knights Of The Old Republic" since it lead to a solid game engine. Something similar, based around their RPG franchises could be interesting, and getting away from the Space Marines and outright battlefield warfare might help spread the universe.
Heck, for that matter, even as a stategy game I'd like to see them do more with Necromunda.
Also, Ciphas Cain wouldn't really work as a FPS. I've only read the first couple of books, but half the point of the character is that he really doesn't do much except engage in shameless self-promotion and come out smelling like a rose. He's actually a pretty good fighter, and DOES have his moments, but seeing as he's a character about sitting back and watching other people do the shooting, he wouldn't work as an FPS guy. Heck most of his personal fighting is done with a chainsword, and the nastier stuff actually gets taken out by his psionic nullifying man servant who likes to tote around a heavy Melta Gun.
Ironically if someone was going to do a Ciphas Cain game, it would probably work best as an adventure game to be honest, as the focus is on the humor. Truthfully though as the whole thing exists to make fun of the 40k universe, I'm not sure how much appeal it would have overall because you couldn't just pick it up and fully appreciate it (if done right) to fully grasp why some of the things that are going on are so supposed to be so funny. Having read something like "Gaunt's Ghosts" about an actual hero Commissar (or well Colonel-Comissar) first really helps to set the proper counterpoint for reading about Cain.
Well, with my limited experience (have only read Gaunts Ghosts novels so far) I can say that Gaunt gets some during the defense of the Vervun Macropol... oh, and Lijah fething Cuu gets some rape and murder done in Cirenholm, although rape is only implied.Namewithheld said:
By the way, I am still waiting for the big revelation that the Skaven have undermined the whole Imperium in 40k and are just waiting to make shit damn hilarious, bloddy and treacherous. xD
Yes yes a thousand times yes! I have been looking forward to this ever since the first teaser trailer! For the Emperor!
Don't Forget marine chapters giving the Vs to the mechanicus and creating new variations of tanks/ weapons/armour just to win a lone war, i.e. the land raider redeemer, the vindicator and the raven guards alternate silent power armour (See the white scars space marine battle novel)HellsingerAngel said:
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Bloodletters working with psychers?
That doesn't sound right.
I thought the forces of the blood god didn't like wizards.
That doesn't sound right.
I thought the forces of the blood god didn't like wizards.
I'm looking forward to it. Mind, I imagine mere humans will be scenery and pathos generators, but hey.
The funny thing is after playing CoD Black Ops I could almost reskin everyone in the single-player campaign as characters from 40K and it would fit right in, so the new fps shouldn't throw people off much.
The funny thing is after playing CoD Black Ops I could almost reskin everyone in the single-player campaign as characters from 40K and it would fit right in, so the new fps shouldn't throw people off much.
That'll be their whole point in this game watch.Maveron said:
Having no good guys would be more interesting, but having the Vanilla Marines was the easy way out, if not the cool way. Personally, I'd rather see Space Wolves or someone at the very least more visually appealing/interesting than those boring ass Ultras. It would be better for marketing, as would be NOT doing orks right off the bat since they are really the comic relief of 40k. Comic relief that lops your head off and eats you, but silly none the less. Make Chaos, contract some metal vocalists to do some howling and yelling, have demons eating civilians... it would be cool as fuck.
I still really wanna play this as a Heavy Bolter dude if I can. And multiplayer BETTER be in and BETTER have customizable colors for my marines.
