Jake Martinez said:
Toadfish1 said:
Cool, maybe Sony can impart a bit of their more common man themes from their movies to try and stem Marvels, how do I put this delicately, fascist view of heroes and normals.
The only political themes in any of the MCU is purely anti-establishment, anti-government, pro-privacy and pro-individual rights. This is an arc that culminates at the end of
Captain America: The Winter Soldier where the big super sekrit quasi-governmental police force that is trying to put spy cameras on all potential "problems" gets infiltrated and then taken down by Captain America.
This is not anywhere near approaching a fascist political theme. Quite the opposite, it hews strongly to classical Liberalism.
Name one significant direct action towards stopping a bad guy, ever, from a non-Superhero. Now, by Superhero, I mean a character with a superhero name, so no using Fury, Black Widow, Falcon, War Machine, Hawkeye or Starlord, abnd by direct, I mean they did it, not they told a Superhero to do it. Iron Man 1 - soldiers all get blown the fuck up, only Tony can stop the terrorists. Climax of Iron man 1 - same deal, but with SHIELD agents instead of soldiers. Iron Man 2 - the entire army is virtually powerless to stop Whiplash and have their entire system completely taken over, only Tony can stop him, the people just run screaming and die. Captain America - Cap breaks ranks, defies his superiors and goes in on a reckless and stupid mission that works. Avengers - we all know the scenes, the cops are utterly freaking clueless to properly evacuate in a time of crisis, they need a man from 1941 to tell them how to deal with post 9/11 attacks on New York. Cap 2 - regular SHIELD agents in the climax get absolutely butchered by the Winter Soldier in nothing flat. GOTG, the Nova corps are just tossed aside by Ronan like tissue paper when he gets bored. Hell, even in Thor 2, the trained Asgardian soldiers are just demolished by the Dark Elves, putting up less than a token resistance. I don't think they even managed to kill one.
Point being, that in these movies, the people whose job it is to handle things, never do. The police never manage to successfully stop a crime, the army was losing bad until this one soldier broke ranks and started turning the tide by ignoring what people told him to, hell, the entire elected and approved protection agency turns out to have been hijacked by Nazis. Heroism is not something that can come to those who are trained for it, elected to it, or expected to deal with it, but only those few who deem themselves the protectors, and ignore all kinds of authority or reason beyond what they think they should do.
Contrast to ASM. Who saves Spidey from the Lizard? Chief of Police, there to do his job of shutting down the dangerous criminal in the OsCorp building. Who stops Electro the first time around? Spidey saved and protected all the people and prevented any fatalities, but Electro was actually stopped by the NYFD who dealt with a problem in Time Square how they are trained to do it. Who helped Peter to take down Electro and save the cities power grid? The person whose job it is to do just that, Gwen Stacey. These movies are about Spider-Man helping out and being helped out by the everyday heroes.
